Contract , delisting & draft news & discussion part 2

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Re: Contract , delisting & draft news & discussion.

Update with Big Zac signing for a 3rd year :thumbsu::


2009
Peake
Drum
Crowley
Schammer
Dodd
Gilmore
Campbell
Headland
Hase
Foster
O'Brien
Head
Bradley
Solomon
Browne


2010
Tarrant
Sandi
Pav
McPharlin
Palmer
Hinkley
Mayne
Duffield
Thornton
Murphy
Mundy
Hayden
Ibbotson
Grover
Ballantyne
Walters
Bucovaz
Ruffles
Hall


2011
Johnson
Hill
Suban
Clarke


Rookies
Connelly
Pratt
Sibosado
DeBoer
Pearce
Shepheard
Van Berlo
Broughton
 
Re: Contract , delisting & draft news & discussion.

ImperialPurple said:
Update with Big Zac signing for a 3rd year :thumbsu::


2009
Peake
Drum
Crowley
Schammer
Dodd
Gilmore
Campbell
Headland
Hase
Foster
O'Brien
Head
Bradley
Solomon
Browne
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There is a lot of speculation on the main Board re Headland and what may happen to him at the end of the year. I am not sure what numbers of players will be gone at the end of the year, but I am now thinking maybe modest numbers; 4-5. The definites from this list for mine would be Browne, Solomon, O'Brien and Foster. Next in line would be Gilmore and Dodd. After that I'd have Headland, but if he fails to overcome injuries he'd be gone too. If he has not done that by the end of the year and is on the field playing football, then he would be a Monty to be gone too.

My point is that if Headland is gone then we are either expecting another massive cleanout, or he is finished with injuries.
 
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theGav56 said:
There is a lot of speculation on the main Board re Headland and what may happen to him at the end of the year. I am not sure what numbers of players will be gone at the end of the year, but I am now thinking maybe modest numbers; 4-5. The definites from this list for mine would be Browne, Solomon, O'Brien and Foster. Next in line would be Gilmore and Dodd. After that I'd have Headland, but if he fails to overcome injuries he'd be gone too. If he has not done that by the end of the year and is on the field playing football, then he would be a Monty to be gone too.

My point is that if Headland is gone then we are either expecting another massive cleanout, or he is finished with injuries.
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?? Foster, Solomon and O'Brien. Is this to delist?

I would have thought Head, Browne, and Gilmore would be likely to go, but Foster hasn't been given his moment in the sun yet this season, and if he can be serviceable and accurate by hand and foot, may provide midfield support or depth at least until we develop somebody from the next draft. We have a number of small defender options now, so O'Brien needs to play some great games or he'll be looking for a new job.

If Solly doesn't improve in the next couple of games he might also be on the outer, but his history with Taz and the coaches could give him another chance later in the season. TBH, I think he his a tough uncompromising one on one player, rarely beaten, but his skills aren't strong enough for the rolling zone. Crowley is in the same mould.
 

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Solomon and Browne would be the only certainties at this stage.

We need atleast 5 selections at the national draft so if Broughton and/or any other rookies show enough for a promotion some tough decisions will have to be made. About time too.
 
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paul8241 said:
?? Foster, Solomon and O'Brien. Is this to delist?

I would have thought Head, Browne, and Gilmore would be likely to go, but Foster hasn't been given his moment in the sun yet this season, and if he can be serviceable and accurate by hand and foot, may provide midfield support or depth at least until we develop somebody from the next draft. We have a number of small defender options now, so O'Brien needs to play some great games or he'll be looking for a new job.

If Solly doesn't improve in the next couple of games he might also be on the outer, but his history with Taz and the coaches could give him another chance later in the season. TBH, I think he his a tough uncompromising one on one player, rarely beaten, but his skills aren't strong enough for the rolling zone. Crowley is in the same mould.
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Yes to delist, and I definitely should have included Head.

O'Brien has done so little and we have recruited many players who would play similar roles if selected. Unless he's playing, and playing well, gone.

Solomon is already on the outer; he was given a one year deal, which means the club has put less value on him than Murphy or Thornton who got two each in a particularly inspired moment of list management.

Gilmore is no longer required as second string ruckman, but we are going to struggle for tall players for a couple of years, and he is at least on a par with Murphy and Thornton.

Crowley can keep up with his opponent so is quite different to Solomon.
 
dominguez said:
We need atleast 5 selections at the national draft so if Broughton and/or any other rookies show enough for a promotion some tough decisions will have to be made.
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I don't think we have to upgrade our nominated rookies at the end of the year, they are all on 2 year contracts so can be retained on the rookie list next year. (They can then be re-nominated again in 2010)

Not sure about Pratt or Connelly, but I don't think we will be wanting too many picks in this years rookie draft, with the draft age changing, the depth will be nothing like what it was last year.
 
Prior to round 5 this is how I have the re-signings looking for 2009.

Re-sign
Hase
Peake
Schammer
Crowley

Other than Crowley they are in pretty good form and deserving of another contract. Peake has stepped it up in another contract year, the club should make every season one.

Having Crowley on the list as a depth player is fine IMO given all the other crud we have to work through. The draft age is only being cut back by 3 months this season, but it will make a difference, particularly in regards to rookies. Then again, Crowley will need to have at least 1 effective disposal between now and the end of the season for me to keep him.

De-list
Browne - Bad form plus another injury should be all she wrote.
Solomom - Harvey's easiest decision I reckon. Will he make the call though?
Dodd - Lack of draft depth will probably save him.
Gilmore - Sometimes I love him, sometimes I hate him, guess how I feel at the moment...
Head - Poor decisions are killing me!
Bradley - Being tall and young might save him. Finding decent form should be the only thing that does save him though.

??????
Drum - Needs to earn his spot, then keep it.
Campbell - Also needs to earn his spot and keep it.
Headland - Time will tell.
Foster - On the comeback trail, have to wait and see.
O'Brien - Needs to get some consistency. Soon.

Our rookies will really decide how many stay and how many go. If they can put some pressure on the senior list, and out perform them in the WAFL Harvey's job will be a lot easier.

Also, this off-season, like last, players will be undervalued and picks will be overvalued. You'll probably lose about 10-15 picks on the players value so I'd avoid it if possible. Waiting for the GC is the best option.
 
Hardly any of you seem to have Thornton in your de-list lists. Surely we can't let the fact that he has a two year deal stop us from delisting him? (And what a ridiculous decision that was - but we've been over that plenty of times).

Just pay the man out and get rid. We are allowed to do that aren't we? We should have plenty of room in our cap to accomodate paying players' contracts out if we have to.
 
estibador said:
Hardly any of you seem to have Thornton in your de-list lists. Surely we can't let the fact that he has a two year deal stop us from delisting him? (And what a ridiculous decision that was - but we've been over that plenty of times).

Just pay the man out and get rid. We are allowed to do that aren't we? We should have plenty of room in our cap to accomodate paying players' contracts out if we have to.
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Why not work on the assumption that given that Harvey gave both him and Murphy 2 year (as opposed to 1 year) contracts, he clearly thinks they are part of his plan?
 
estibador said:
Hardly any of you seem to have Thornton in your de-list lists. Surely we can't let the fact that he has a two year deal stop us from delisting him? (And what a ridiculous decision that was - but we've been over that plenty of times).

Just pay the man out and get rid. We are allowed to do that aren't we? We should have plenty of room in our cap to accomodate paying players' contracts out if we have to.
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I'm not sure if the AFLPA are okay with that sort of thing. Carroll was de-listed by Melbourne while contracted but he had off field issues.

Plus the fact that Thornton came in after having 5 kicked on him in the WAFL suggests someone rates the guy and he had one of his best games ever on the weekend (by his very low standards).
 
hedgehog said:
I don't think we have to upgrade our nominated rookies at the end of the year, they are all on 2 year contracts so can be retained on the rookie list next year. (They can then be re-nominated again in 2010).
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If Broughton and/or Pearce are clearly in our best 22 at the end of the season the club will probably want to reward their form with a permanent promotion though hedgey.
 

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dominguez said:
If Broughton and/or Pearce are clearly in our best 22 at the end of the season the club will probably want to reward their form with a permanent promotion though hedgey.
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In that case I agree 100%, if they're form deserves it, by all means we should upgrade them. By my point I meant that if they were struggling to find their feet at AFL level, we don't have to upgrade them for the sake of it. But in your case, yes we should upgrade them.
 
Hopefully Freo make some headway into this list over the offseason otherwise we are going to get bombarded by Vic media sprouting every man and his dog wants to leave.

2010
Tarrant
Sandi
Pav
McPharlin
Palmer
Hinkley
Mayne
Duffield
Thornton
Murphy
Mundy
Hayden
Ibbotson
Grover
Ballantyne
Walters
Bucovaz
Ruffles
Hall
 
Re: Contract , delisting & draft news & discussion.

ImperialPurple said:
2009
Peake Delist/Trade
Drum Delist/Trade
Crowley Re-sign (Starting 22) 3 Years
Schammer Re-Sign (Starting 22) 3 Years
Dodd Re-Sign (Depth) 2 years
Gilmore Delist
Campbell Delist
Headland Re-Sign (Starting 22) 2 Year
Hase Re-Sign (Starting 22) 2 Years
Foster Delist
O'Brien Delist
Head Delist
Bradley Re-Sign (Squad) 2 Years
Solomon Re-Sign (Squad/Depth) 1 Year
Browne Delist


Rookies
Connelly Delist
Pratt
Sibosado
DeBoer Upgrade
Pearce Upgrade
Shepheard
Van Berlo Upgrade
Broughton Upgrade
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Thats Delisting/Trading 9 players and upgrading 4 Rookies which leaves us with 5 (or 6 w/ PP) picks in the ND which will probably be either:

# 2
# 18
# 34
# 50
# 66

or

# 1
# 17
# 18
# 34
# 50
# 66


What are your thoughts?
 
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Surely Soloman has to be delisted before Foster? I reckon we will win at least 2 more games too, so no priority pick. Melbourne will however, which means our first pick will be at the earliest pick 3.
 
Re: Contract , delisting & draft news & discussion.

silverscope said:
2009
Crowley Re-sign (Starting 22) 3 Years
Dodd Re-Sign (Depth) 2 years
Headland Re-Sign (Starting 22) 2 Year
Bradley Re-Sign (Squad) 2 Years




What are your thoughts?
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You've been too generous, all of the players listed above have received 12 months too long.
 
Re: Contract , delisting & draft news & discussion.

purplepassion82 said:
Hasnt duffield re-signed til 2011??
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Yeah along with Schammer.

Looking at the these players with only 1 game to go, are we now starting see a clearer picture of the clubs views on these players? My guess and hope is this:

2009
Peake Delist/Trade
Drum Re-sign 2 years
Crowley Re-sign 2 Years
Dodd Re-Sign 2 years
Gilmore Delist
Campbell Delist
Headland Re-Sign 1 Year
Hase Re-Sign 2 Years
Foster ??? Re-sign 1 year
O'Brien Delist & Rookie
Head Delist
Bradley Re-Sign 1 Year
Solomon Retire...Please Solly!
Browne Delist
Thornton Delist - pay out contract (I hope)
Murphy Delist - pay out contract (I hope too)

It seems the make up of the team has changed in recent weeks. Thornton, Peake, and Campbell have made way for the young guys and of course Drum. Drum has shown a fair I reckon and we must keep him if he wants to stay. It seems like a good time for Soloman to bow out too. Thornton (in particular) and Peake seem to be on the way out or are we wrapping them in cotton wool for next season :thumbsdown: , and Campbell seems resigned to his fate (add to that Browne and Head). Murphy just please don't come back! :mad:
 
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I think you're pretty close, but I'd say Thornton is pretty safe. We need some duds on the list, which can be cut the following year. He also has a year to run on his contract and showed a bit of versatility with his stint in the forward line so could be handy depth but nothing more.

As for Murphy I've been calling him the Ghost for a couple of years as he really has no impact on AFL games - so delist and pay out - a view agreed by most.

Browne, Gilmore, Campbell & Head are definites. Grover will go to the Vets list. Connelly a definite delisted rookie and Foster and O'Brien also a good chance to be delisted. I like the idea mooted by some that Pratt and O'Brien fight out for final spot on the Rookie list. Pratt can stay on the rookie list for one final year but is automatically nominated for the drafts and can be picked up by another club. If overlooked then the Dockers can decide whether he is worth keeping but dont necessarily need to use a rookie pick on him.

I'd only permanently promote DeBoer and Broughton. Then let JayVB & Pearce fight out for the one nominated rookie spot. The other will get an opportunity at some stage. Shepheard & Sibosado stay on but are not ready yet.
 
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Not sure if we've had a recent update...

2009
Peake
Drum
Crowley
Dodd
Gilmore
Campbell
Headland
Hase
Foster
O'Brien
Head
Bradley
Solomon
Browne


2010
Tarrant
Sandi
Pav
McPharlin
Palmer
Hinkley
Mayne
Thornton
Murphy
Mundy
Hayden
Ibbotson
Grover
Ballantyne
Walters
Bucovaz
Ruffles
Hall


2011
Johnson
Hill
Suban
Clarke
Schammer
Duffield


Rookies
Connelly
Pratt
Sibosado
DeBoer
Pearce
Shepheard
Van Berlo
Broughton

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Does that look right?
 
Re: Contract , delisting & draft news & discussion.

ImperialPurple said:
Not sure if we've had a recent update...

2009
Peake Trade for any pick
Drum Offer 1 year
Crowley Required player
Dodd Delist/1 year
Gilmore Delist
Campbell Delist
Headland 1 year
Hase 1/2 years
Foster Delist
O'Brien Delist
Head Delist with extreme predujice
Bradley 1 year
Solomon Delist/Retire
Browne Delist


2010
Tarrant
Sandi
Pav
McPharlin
Palmer
Hinkley
Mayne
Thornton
Murphy
Mundy
Hayden
Ibbotson
Grover
Ballantyne
Walters
Bucovaz
Ruffles
Hall


2011
Johnson
Hill
Suban
Clarke
Schammer
Duffield


Rookies
Connelly Delist has shown nothing, time for fresh blood.
Pratt Continued Rookie
Sibosado Continued Rookie
DeBoer Upgraded to main list
Pearce Upgrade if room
Shepheard Continued Rookie
Van Berlo Upgrade if room
Broughton Upgraded to main list

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Just my opinion but we need to create room for more youngsters. :D:thumbsu:
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