Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNISTS

[Hawker4Sewell]

Re: What's Hawthorn got to hide?

Meh Kenett gets worked up at anything and everything.

As a fan it sometimes makes me facepalm at the stuff he has to rant about, and sometimes it makes me happy.

We have a president who speaks his mind ALL the time, for better or worst.
It's his style, I don't particularly like it but while he has been with us he has bled brown and gold, even if he has come out the wrong way a few times.

I don't think he is hiding anything, however I do feel that this is an invasion of civil rights, ones that Victorians actually have, even though we do not have a bill of rights. (and the Charter means crap all)

But yeah that is my semi morning rant.

 

[Xtreme]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

Lets not blow things out of proportion....

 

[Demonheart]

Re: What's Hawthorn got to hide?

'Police checks' are standard in my industry however this arrangement seems to be a bit different to the normal 'police checks'

 

[Rooster 24]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

Don’t base your opinions on what you might have read in the HS. It is just another unsubstantiated and exaggerated beat up which the paper, in its haste to publish, failed to properly check the facts. The usual dial a quotes have been contacted to inflame the story. Text book journalism really and sadly most take this as being true and correct. The privacy act overrides all such agreements and no organisation or individuals would put themselves at risk. Once a person has been charged then it is matter of public record anyway. If you want to talk about organisations breaching civil liberties then look no further than the media. The HS starting to look more like the Truth everyday, especially the weekend versions.

 

[skilts]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

If this arrangement between the cops and the AFL is so above-board, why wasn't it made public by one of the parties to the agreement? Did they think nobody would care? Why did it take an FOI request to bring this into the glare of publicity?

Great job done by HS.

First they came for the footballers, but as I wasn't one of those, it didn't worry me. Then they took away the Jews, the ****ters, the mentally infirm and the gypsies. I was not one of those either.

Storm in a teacup really, though. For this story to be of any concern you'd have to accept that Victoria Police was riddled with corruption and likely to misuse the material gathered. As for the AFL, their integrity is beyond reproach, isn't it?

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

Sounds like a non-story to me.

 

[PortBrillance]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

what a ****ing disgrace, so AFL players can do whatever they want. typical

 

[Ron The Bear]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

Don’t base your opinions on what you might have read in the HS. It is just another unsubstantiated and exaggerated beat up which the paper, in its haste to publish, failed to properly check the facts. The usual dial a quotes have been contacted to inflame the story. Text book journalism really and sadly most take this as being true and correct. The privacy act overrides all such agreements and no organisation or individuals would put themselves at risk. Once a person has been charged then it is matter of public record anyway. If you want to talk about organisations breaching civil liberties then look no further than the media. The HS starting to look more like the Truth everyday, especially the weekend versions.

Appears to be the lead story at the far more staid and sober Age.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/police-files-on-afl-figures-open-to-league-20100806-11om1.html

 

[skilts]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

Thats your choice to believe what you want to believe. Fair enough. As far as I'm concerned all they have done is centralise communication channels so there is a protocol for information to flow to the AFL as and when its possible to do so.

People tend to jump up and down about these "human rights' stories without knowing the facts.

I award you a Masters Degree in uncontrolled jargon peddling. The fact is, the agreement exists. They saw fit to keep it secret. They tried to prevent others from finding out about it. If it was all kosher, why try to hide it?

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Re: What's Hawthorn got to hide?

Why is Kennett the only one blowing his stack about the report that police files on AFL players and officials may be handed to the AFL?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/police-files-on-afl-figures-open-to-league-20100806-11om1.html

To me it looks like a huge breach of privacy but my suspicious nature makes me wonder what Hawthorn has to hide...

Don't worry mate. The only reason your pathetic little president hasn't said anything is because he's at least 2 weeks behind everyone else.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Re: What's Hawthorn got to hide?

oh my thats funny

Good on Kennett for sticking up for staff. But the OP is right, it does LOOK LIKE he is trying to hide something.

No it doesn't - it looks like someone who has a basic understanding of our fundamental rights - standing up for those rights.

The AFL have come out and said the reports are incorrect and in fact they have streamlined a manner in which they will provide info to the police when requested - which is perfectly fine and in fact commendable.

In all honesty - if it was as the journo reported - all the clubs should boycott playing until it was removed - it's that serious. This goes way past football - it strikes at the constitutional rights that mark us as free people.

 

[sunnyTEE]

Re: What's Hawthorn got to hide?

Presidents like Jeff and Eddie time and time again stick their heads out on big AFL issues and defend the rights of all clubs. As someone rightfully pointed out, I think a bigger issue is the Presidents that keep quiet.

 

[tonk]

Re: What's Hawthorn got to hide?

Why is Kennett the only one blowing his stack about the report that police files on AFL players and officials may be handed to the AFL

Because he was the one they asked.

 

[Hawkamania!]

Re: What's Hawthorn got to hide?

Would the people supporting the AFL on this would be as supportive if their own employer were to have the same deal with a police force regarding their private lives? As pointed out, this is a threat to the civil liberties of AFL players and could open up similar practices in other employment sectors.

FWIW, when Jeff finishes up as president of Hawthorn in 2011, the AFLPA should snap him up.

 

[CAS79]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

AFL in a denyal

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/99848/default.aspx

"The MOU was the formalisation of a long-standing commitment by the AFL to cooperate with any police inquiry and established a single point of contact both within the Victoria Police and the AFL as the central people to contact should there be any serious criminal matter involving an AFL player or official."

But the AFL is not a Law Enforcement agency and should have no need to involve itself in any investigation of the police other than to report information that it knows would be relevant to the investigation and one would think they would do that as a matter of course.

So why do they need to fomalise anything?

 

[Rioli magic]

Re: What's Hawthorn got to hide?

Presidents like Jeff and Eddie time and time again stick their heads out on big AFL issues and defend the rights of all clubs. As someone rightfully pointed out, I think a bigger issue is the Presidents that keep quiet.

Pfft, fundamental human rights, some are too busy dressing up like women on tv to worry about these frivolous issues.

 

[weagles_fan]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

Privacy Act s14 - Principle 11.

1. A record‑keeper who has possession or control of a record that contains personal information shall not disclose the information to a person, body or agency (other than the individual concerned) unless: (b) the individual concerned has consented to the disclosure.

Unless all the AFL players have consented this is breached right there and the police should get their asses handed to them.

 

[buzzbuzz]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

Shouldn't the subject read "Are we FASCISTS?" ?

 

[Fevola99]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

What would the AFL even need this for? They don't ban criminals from the league or Swan, Hurley, Stokes etc wouldn't still be there, so why do they care. are they so scared of soccer that they're trying to see which players have been investigated for corporate espionage before

 

[Ron The Bear]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

Privacy Act s14 - Principle 11.

1. A record‑keeper who has possession or control of a record that contains personal information shall not disclose the information to a person, body or agency (other than the individual concerned) unless: (b) the individual concerned has consented to the disclosure.

Unless all the AFL players have consented this is breached right there and the police should get their asses handed to them.

I couldn't find that bit, but in defining "sensitive information" to include data about a person's criminal record, the Privacy Act states

10.1. An organisation must not collect sensitive information about an individual unless-
(a) the individual has consented; or
(b) the collection is required under law; or
(c) the collection is necessary to prevent or lessen a serious and imminent threat to the life or health of any individual, where the individual whom the information concerns-
(i) is physically or legally incapable of giving consent to the collection; or
(ii) physically cannot communicate consent to the collection; or
(d) the collection is necessary for the establishment, exercise or defence of a legal or equitable claim.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ipa2000231/sch1.html

Can a poster with legal expertise explain how any such transfer of information would be permissible according to the above?

The AFL were at pains to claim that no information has changed hands in the eleven months since the agreement was made, yet states:

The MOU was the formalisation of a long-standing commitment by the AFL to cooperate with any police inquiry and established a single point of contact both within the Victoria Police and the AFL as the central people to contact should there be any serious criminal matter involving an AFL player or official.

One of the following must therefore be true
- e.g. the Lovett matter was not regarded as "serious"
- the agreement has broken down
- the AFL are lying

 

[strategy]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

As the AFL control footy around Australia what other police forces have given the AFL information etc ?
This affects every male and female young and old if they are in any way involved in a footy team.

 

[strategy]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

AND IT GETS WORSE

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-force-struck-dozens-of-secret-deals-20100807-11phx.html

 

[Cthublhu]

Re: Cops give AFL info on ANYONE involved in footy ,OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES thrown out , are we COMMUNI

AND IT GETS WORSE

Just for you strategy. Shhh! Don't tell anyone I told you, ok?