Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[manureid]

COVID-19 seems to have the momentum of a run away freight train. Why is it so popular?

Sack Hinkley?

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

There are some well qualified doubts about the claim that COVID-19 is losing it's potency. Like where is the evidence for this?

Doctors in Italy are saying just that


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[raptalia]

Doctors in Italy are saying just that


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Just what- where is the evidence?

All I have read is a claim by a single Italian doctor and that claim has been dispelled by the WHO among others.

The same doctor made the claim that Italy is clinically free of COVID-19.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Is anyone else gobsmacked by the shoulder to shoulder crowds in Sydney for the protest?
I hope all the hard work to contain covid19 wasn’t in vain. Also our aboriginal population would be at high risk if they catch it.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Doctors in Italy are saying just that


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[raptalia]

Is anyone else gobsmacked by the shoulder to shoulder crowds in Sydney for the protest?
I hope all the hard work to contain covid19 wasn’t in vain. Also our aboriginal population would be at high risk if they catch it.

As long as the statement stays peaceful and the crowds observe some social distancing I have no problem. From what I have seen there isn't much social distancing which is a concern.

I saw vision of a protest in Wisconsin this morning and I was pleasantly surprised that a large crowd had gathered on the lawns in front of what I assume to be the State legislature and they were practicing social distancing. It was a pretty responsible protest which was good to see.

If the protests in the US do result in a spike in COVID-19 cases across the US it could provide evidence that socially spaced crowds at sporting contests are feasible.

 

[raptalia]

I cannot understand how Marshall can be considering a travel bubble with Tasmania and the ACT but is not considering including the Northern Territory. If the idea is to stimulate tourism I would have thought more South Australians would consider a trip to the warmth of the Top End in winter over a trip to Tasmania or the ACT? It is proposed that one flight per day operate between Adelaide/ Hobart and Canberra.

Maybe Morrison is applying pressure to the NT Administrators to open the border with Queensland and Marshall does not want more than one backdoor?

 

[simba_]

our aboriginal population would be at high risk if they catch it.

Jeez mate you're not supposed to regurgitate that racist crap the UK pedals

also no not surprised by people not "socially distancing" at a PROTEST

 

[Capital Power]

I cannot understand how Marshall can be considering a travel bubble with Tasmania and the ACT but is not considering including the Northern Territory. If the idea is to stimulate tourism I would have thought more South Australians would consider a trip to the warmth of the Top End in winter over a trip to Tasmania or the ACT? It is proposed that one flight per day operate between Adelaide/ Hobart and Canberra.

Maybe Morrison is applying pressure to the NT Administrators to open the border with Queensland and Marshall does not want more than one backdoor?

Although an easing of our travel restrictions would be welcome, any connection from Canberra would be a risk, given how interconnected we are with NSW.

There was only one direct flight a day on each airline before all this so I'm not sure how much demand there would be.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Jeez mate you're not supposed to regurgitate that racist crap the UK pedals

also no not surprised by people not "socially distancing" at a PROTEST

Nothing racist about stating that our indigenous population have a high levels of health issues since the whites arrived in Australia with our flour and sugar and destruction of their society and health....diabetes high risk for poor covid 19 ourcome.
I guess you’ve never worked on a renal ward?

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

Just what- where is the evidence?

All I have read is a claim by a single Italian doctor and that claim has been dispelled by the WHO among others.

The same doctor made the claim that Italy is clinically free of COVID-19.

I didn’t say there was evidence but yeah doctors would lie about such things hey & I’d rather believeWHO cause they’re so credible


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[Turiyasangitananda]

I didn’t say there was evidence but yeah doctors would lie about such things hey & I’d rather believeWHO cause they’re so credible


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What about the doctors at WHO?

 

[Schulzenfest]

but yeah doctors would lie about such things hey

What about all the doctors who disagree with him?

I can show you a report from a doctor that says vaccines cause autism. You don't get to use the 'but he's an expert' line as evidence of the truth of a proposition when the vast majority of other experts disagree.

 

[raptalia]

I didn’t say there was evidence but yeah doctors would lie about such things hey & I’d rather believeWHO cause they’re so credible


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if you are going to make a huge claim like COVID-19 losing its potency you really need evidence. But you/we are free to believe what we like, me I prefer evidence to support my beliefs.

Donald Trump says the WHO are liars so they must be hey.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Looks like NZ are going to Level 1 next week, which according to chart released around 20th March was gatherings of 500, but the bit I heard was that large gatherings at sports, concerts etc will be allowed. Watched a bit live of her presser which video has been embedded at;

PM's 10 golden rules of alert level 1

Level one will be a return to "normal routine" PM says.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Level one will be a return to "normal routine" and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says there will be no distancing rules at shops and restaurants, or on public transport.

All restrictions on businesses, like hospitality, would be lifted with no distancing of tables, Ardern said this afternoon.

Churches, sports stadiums, community sport, and funerals of any size can all resume while physical distancing on planes and public transport can lift.

Event organisers will have to ensure contact-tracing was possible and that would be developed through the Covid Code, Ardern said.

Alert level 1 will mean there's no restrictions on gatherings, like funerals, tangi or events, Ardern said.

"It essentially means a return to normal for tangihanga"

At alert level 1 Kiwis would have to adopt new habits, like good hand hygiene, and there would still be strict border controls, Ardern said this afternoon.

The 10 golden rules of Alert level 1
• If you're sick, stay home.
• If you have cold flu symptoms call your doctor.
• Wash your hands.
• Sneeze or cough into your elbow and disinfect surfaces.
• Isolate immediately if told so by authorities.
• If you have underlying conditions, talk with your GP about precautions.
• Keep track of where you've been.
• Businesses should help.
• Stay vigilant.
• Be kind to others and to yourself.

When will NZ make the move?
Ardern said yesterday the country was ahead of schedule in its response to Covid-19 and Cabinet would review the alert level status next Monday. The Government has previously given 48 hours notice of a shift in alert levels.

Ardern this afternoon said it was the Government's "strong desire" to get to alert level 1 as soon as was safe and possible.

When New Zealand reaches alert level 1 it would mean all of the hard work had paid off, lives had been saved and the economic recovery could happen sooner..........

 

[Leaveit2charlie]

I cannot understand how Marshall can be considering a travel bubble with Tasmania and the ACT but is not considering including the Northern Territory. If the idea is to stimulate tourism I would have thought more South Australians would consider a trip to the warmth of the Top End in winter over a trip to Tasmania or the ACT? It is proposed that one flight per day operate between Adelaide/ Hobart and Canberra.

Maybe Morrison is applying pressure to the NT Administrators to open the border with Queensland and Marshall does not want more than one backdoor?

NT would have told us they’re not interested.
The Northern Territory have made it very very clear that they have no intention of opening up borders to anyone anytime soon. They see us as a risk.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Looks like NZ are going to Level 1 next week, which according to chart released around 20th March was gatherings of 500, but the bit I heard was that large gatherings at sports, concerts etc will be allowed. Watched a bit live of her presser which video has been embedded at;

PM's 10 golden rules of alert level 1

Level one will be a return to "normal routine" PM says.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Level one will be a return to "normal routine" and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says there will be no distancing rules at shops and restaurants, or on public transport.

All restrictions on businesses, like hospitality, would be lifted with no distancing of tables, Ardern said this afternoon.

Churches, sports stadiums, community sport, and funerals of any size can all resume while physical distancing on planes and public transport can lift.

Event organisers will have to ensure contact-tracing was possible and that would be developed through the Covid Code, Ardern said.

Alert level 1 will mean there's no restrictions on gatherings, like funerals, tangi or events, Ardern said.

"It essentially means a return to normal for tangihanga"

At alert level 1 Kiwis would have to adopt new habits, like good hand hygiene, and there would still be strict border controls, Ardern said this afternoon.

The 10 golden rules of Alert level 1
• If you're sick, stay home.
• If you have cold flu symptoms call your doctor.
• Wash your hands.
• Sneeze or cough into your elbow and disinfect surfaces.
• Isolate immediately if told so by authorities.
• If you have underlying conditions, talk with your GP about precautions.
• Keep track of where you've been.
• Businesses should help.
• Stay vigilant.
• Be kind to others and to yourself.

When will NZ make the move?
Ardern said yesterday the country was ahead of schedule in its response to Covid-19 and Cabinet would review the alert level status next Monday. The Government has previously given 48 hours notice of a shift in alert levels.

Ardern this afternoon said it was the Government's "strong desire" to get to alert level 1 as soon as was safe and possible.

When New Zealand reaches alert level 1 it would mean all of the hard work had paid off, lives had been saved and the economic recovery could happen sooner..........

We would probably be doing the same if it weren’t for a couple of States.
Will be interesting as time passes comparing the Sweden and New Zealand strategies.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

We would probably be doing the same if it weren’t for a couple of States.
Will be interesting as time passes comparing the Sweden and New Zealand strategies.

We were always likely to have 5 times the cases of what NZ had give the population difference so we were always likely to have higher active cases than NZ and a different rate of easing restrictions.

We never closed down as hard NZ. We never went to level 4 like they did, we only went to level 3 across all of Oz. They only got 24 cases out of the Ruby Princess we got 800ish and then we had more other cruise ships. We had our borders open to more international flights than NZ, before both countries shut them to non citizens and non residents.

 

[OneGreatClub]

We were always likely to have 5 times the cases of what NZ had give the population difference so we were always likely to have higher active cases than NZ and a different rate of easing restrictions.

We never closed down as hard NZ. We never went to level 4 like they did, we only went to level 3 across all of Oz. They only got 24 cases out of the Ruby Princess we got 800ish and then we had more other cruise ships. We had our borders open to more international flights than NZ, before both countries shut them to non citizens and non residents.

All true but still in SA we have managed in effect zero new cases in weeks. Hard to count the one from overseas.

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

if you are going to make a huge claim like COVID-19 losing its potency you really need evidence. But you/we are free to believe what we like, me I prefer evidence to support my beliefs.

Donald Trump says the WHO are liars so they must be hey.

I’m just sayn what I heard so chill, if the docs said it’s mutated & increased in potency then you’d probably all agree. You know without all the evidence there’s a possibility it’s true.


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[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

And on WHO, most of the planet knows they’re dodgy... believe what you want


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[RussellEbertHandball]

All true but still in SA we have managed in effect zero new cases in weeks. Hard to count the one from overseas.

That's difference between being an island nation and a nation the size of the continent.

 

[pastmyprimus]

Man behind Sweden's controversial coronavirus strategy admits mistakes

"If we were to encounter the same illness with the same knowledge that we have today, I think our response would land somewhere in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," Anders Tegnell said in an interview with Swedish Radio.

At 43 deaths per 100,000, Sweden's death rate is among the highest globally and far exceeds that of neighbouring Denmark and Norway, which imposed much tougher lockdowns at the outset of the pandemic.

What's more, there's so far limited evidence that Sweden's decision to leave much of its society open will support the economy. Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson recently warned that Sweden is facing its worst economic crisis since World War II, with GDP set to slump 7per cent in 2020, roughly as much as the rest of the EU.

The government has started to grow concerned at the apparent missteps taken to fight the spread of the virus in Sweden. On Monday, Lofven [Prime Minister] promised there'd be an inquiry into the handling of the crisis before the summer.

Man behind Sweden's controversial coronavirus strategy admits mistakes

Sweden's top epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, has admitted his strategy to fight COVID-19 resulted in too many deaths, after persuading his country to avoid a strict lockdown.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Andre]

Man behind Sweden's controversial coronavirus strategy admits mistakes

"If we were to encounter the same illness with the same knowledge that we have today, I think our response would land somewhere in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," Anders Tegnell said in an interview with Swedish Radio.

At 43 deaths per 100,000, Sweden's death rate is among the highest globally and far exceeds that of neighbouring Denmark and Norway, which imposed much tougher lockdowns at the outset of the pandemic.

What's more, there's so far limited evidence that Sweden's decision to leave much of its society open will support the economy. Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson recently warned that Sweden is facing its worst economic crisis since World War II, with GDP set to slump 7per cent in 2020, roughly as much as the rest of the EU.

The government has started to grow concerned at the apparent missteps taken to fight the spread of the virus in Sweden. On Monday, Lofven [Prime Minister] promised there'd be an inquiry into the handling of the crisis before the summer.

Man behind Sweden's controversial coronavirus strategy admits mistakes

Sweden's top epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, has admitted his strategy to fight COVID-19 resulted in too many deaths, after persuading his country to avoid a strict lockdown.

www.theage.com.au

I don’t think Sweden did the right thing, but you can’t make a final call until we know how long until a vaccine is widely available (if ever). If it’s 2 years from now and they are up to herd immunity and open and everyone else is under restrictions they’ll be set. I wouldn’t have taken that bet, but you can’t call it in yet.

 

[pastmyprimus]

I don’t think Sweden did the right thing, but you can’t make a final call until we know how long until a vaccine is widely available (if ever). If it’s 2 years from now and they are up to herd immunity and open and everyone else is under restrictions they’ll be set. I wouldn’t have taken that bet, but you can’t call it in yet.

There's still a lot we don't know about the virus. Herd immunity even if achieved may not offer long term protection in the absence of vaccine in the short term. Maybe the virus will mutate or maybe protection is short term only without the virus mutating.

I think the strategy always carried some political risk. Daily deaths are off their highs but not declining quickly enough to ward off the political pressure that is building. And by comparison Finland and Norway seem to have done much better.