Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[Eddie Dingle]

According to the US constitution, an incoming president cannot be sworn in until January 20.

Lame duck time until then.

I was just reading about this lame duck thing.

Trump is still President and can still operate as usual. No limitations. Most Presidents don't do anything but most Presidents aren’t the Trumpster.

This is what is most frightening about the period until 20th January.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

You seriously think that the rest of Australia had effective social distancing and Melbourne didn't? What absolute tripe. Melbourne had social distancing when it was possible. We waited forever for one person only lifts, stood on our designated spots, did drop offs at designated time and place, offices closed and we shook hands with our elbows. The only place we didn't have social distancing was on the trains because people were still packed into trains as there were no extra services. Its okay though because the trains weren't being cleaned as the contractor was just taking the money and giving kickbacks. We never would have had a second wave without the ridiculous quarantine procedures which were totally botched by incompetent security firms who were outsourcing their hire labour to random uber drivers with zero training. The system forgot to include complicated things like actually covid testing the returnees and allowing them to wander around the city getting lunch and getting their excercise breaks. It was common knowledge the system was a complete shambles shortly after it started. But let's blame the people of Melbourne for acting differently than the rest of the nation.

That's a really good post, man.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

According to the US constitution, an incoming president cannot be sworn in until January 20.

Lame duck time until then.

Hypothetically, can lame duck presidents nuke the world because they are pissed with the fake news election results?

 

[68vette]

Hypothetically, can lame duck presidents nuke the world because they are pissed with the fake news election results?

There are no changes to a president's powers and status until they officially leave office.

They remain Commander-in-Chief and Chief Executive of the US.

Bush Snr approved the launching of air strikes against Iraq.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

You seriously think that the rest of Australia had effective social distancing and Melbourne didn't? What absolute tripe. Melbourne had social distancing when it was possible. We waited forever for one person only lifts, stood on our designated spots, did drop offs at designated time and place, offices closed and we shook hands with our elbows. The only place we didn't have social distancing was on the trains because people were still packed into trains as there were no extra services. Its okay though because the trains weren't being cleaned as the contractor was just taking the money and giving kickbacks.

Well I suppose thats why when SA had active cases it the community it spread throughout SA like it did in Melbourne's second wave right?

We never would have had a second wave without the ridiculous quarantine procedures which were totally botched by incompetent security firms who were outsourcing their hire labour to random uber drivers with zero training. The system forgot to include complicated things like actually covid testing the returnees and allowing them to wander around the city getting lunch and getting their excercise breaks. It was common knowledge the system was a complete shambles shortly after it started. But let's blame the people of Melbourne for acting differently than the rest of the nation.

All that is how it got it out of the hotels... it spread like wildfire after that because of failures of the rest of the Victorian people. Or did Victoria have some super-contagious version that spread around despite everyone taking all the same precautions that were being taken everywhere else?

Even post the country closing all its borders to Victoria, we saw Victorians constantly looking for ways to sneak into other states. And when they did get out and cause infections in other states, there wasn't a massive second wave. I wonder what the difference was? The disease must've automatically gotten less contagious by crossing the border.

The Victorian government announces they're locking down hotspot suburbs, Victorians rush to log on to the online licence portal to change their address so they can still travel freely and potentially spread the disease further throughout Melbourne.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

What a goose.

 

[VineValerian]

I don't think we can pin that on Dan Andrews.

I blame DA for the Black Plague

 

[pastmyprimus]

The federal government deserves some of the blame for the outbreaks and deaths in aged care. The fed government funds and regulates aged care. It's responsible for ensuring facilities adhere to safety standards, and this includes the prevention of infectious disease outbreaks like covid. They didn't do near enough to protect facilities. There were even reports the fed government knocked back requests for PPE from aged care homes.

Government rejected requests for PPE from hundreds of aged care homes at peak of pandemic

A union representing aged care workers said outbreaks could have been prevented if the government had provided masks, gloves and gowns earlier.

www.smh.com.au

The Vic government was responsible for the second wave because of stuff-ups in the hotel quarantine program but the Fed government should done a lot more to protect aged care residents.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

I'm in shock that if you incubate a virus and send thousands of people home to their families and the wider community without testing them, that the virus would spread whilst the community was not in a total lockdown.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

The federal government deserves some of the blame for the outbreaks and deaths in aged care. The fed government funds and regulates aged care. It's responsible for ensuring facilities adhere to safety standards, and this includes the prevention of infectious disease outbreaks like covid. They didn't do near enough to protect facilities. There were even reports the fed government knocked back requests for PPE from aged care homes.

Government rejected requests for PPE from hundreds of aged care homes at peak of pandemic

A union representing aged care workers said outbreaks could have been prevented if the government had provided masks, gloves and gowns earlier.

www.smh.com.au

The Vic government was responsible for the second wave because of stuff-ups in the hotel quarantine program but the Fed government should done a lot more to protect aged care residents.

It only happened in aged care to the extent it did in Victoria. Only in Victoria. Where the state government withheld PPE from frontline healthcare workers because they thought it might get stolen.

You can’t pin that on the feds.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

I'm in shock that if you incubate a virus and send thousands of people home to their families and the wider community without testing them, that the virus would spread whilst the community was not in a total lockdown.

No testing and no contact tracing.

Yay government of Victoria.

Clearly it’s our fault though.

 

[pastmyprimus]

It only happened in aged care to the extent it did in Victoria. Only in Victoria. Where the state government withheld PPE from frontline healthcare workers because they thought it might get stolen.

You can’t pin that on the feds.

I must admit I’ve never heard of the state government withholding PPE. The fed government certainly did.

Ultimately the fed government is responsible for preventing infectious disease outbreaks in aged care as the regulator. In my view they didn’t do enough. The director of aged care services at my hospital in Vic believes the Fed government didn’t do anywhere near enough to protect aged care and that was despite the expert advice the feds were receiving

 

[rumoursofwinter]

To me the fed government have been completely anonymous in victoria throughout the crisis and provided zero leadership or empathy. BA completely ballsed up, but at least he has tried to clean up his own mess. I'm wearing a face mask outside right now. Thats the way we roll.

 

[chiwigi]

Here's Dan first admitting responsibility in the midst of the second wave

Daniel Andrews says he is 'accountable for any mistakes' in Victoria's Covid-19 hotel quarantine

The Victorian premier has been interrogated by the media as the state reported 471 new coronavirus cases and eight more deaths

www.theguardian.com

They placed untrained guards with inadequate PPE and no direction in what hotel quarantine was. People couldn't follow instructions because there were none at that stage.

Dan also says at this stage "No support from the ADF was on offer to Victoria" he is then shown footage of him thanking the Prime Minister on March 27th for the offer. He then says he misunderstood the offer.

This has been a colossal fu** up by the Victorian Government and us, the people living here, have suffered most. People blaming the people of Victoria have no ******* idea.

Comrade Dan tries neo-liberalism and it bites him in the arse!

Not even once Dan! Not even ONCE!

 

[Eddie Dingle]

I must admit I’ve never heard of the state government withholding PPE. The fed government certainly did.

Ultimately the fed government is responsible for preventing infectious disease outbreaks in aged care as the regulator. In my view they didn’t do enough. The director of aged care services at my hospital in Vic believes the Fed government didn’t do anywhere near enough to protect aged care and that was despite the expert advice the feds were receiving

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

Personal protective equipment was not given to aged care facilities over fears it was being stolen by staff, an email released by the hotel quarantine inquiry says.
It comes as reports emerge that Victoria’s supplies of N95 masks for health workers have fallen to alarmingly low levels during the coronavirus pandemic.

The email, written by deputy chief health officer Dr Annaliese van Diemen, states the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) “cannot preposition (PPE) in facilities as people are stealing it”.

But Health Workers Union secretary Diana Asmar told the newspaper she was “not aware of a single Victorian aged care worker or HWU member facing a disciplinary meeting due to theft of PPE”.

Victoria's Chief Medical Officer fears state would 'burn through' PPE supplies if guidelines expanded

Victorian COVID-19 health workers are still not being provided with the best protective equipment because the numbers required would "burn through the supplies in one week", the state's Chief Medical Officer says in private meetings leaked to the ABC.

www.abc.net.au

I saw the lady on the ABC a while back say that both sides of federal politics were remarkably silent on what was happening in Victoria except Frydenberg upset at how much money the shutdown was costing him. She also said she didn't think that people outside Victoria knew how bad it really was in Victoria and people inside Victoria had no real grasp of how freely the rest of the country was living.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Comrade Dan tries neo-liberalism and it bites him in the arse!

Not even once Dan! Not even ONCE!

Dan is the bad guy here mate.

I know you want to love him because you're all Billy Bragg and all but he ****ed this up. Badly.

 

[chiwigi]

Dan is the bad guy here mate.

I know you want to love him because you're all Billy Bragg and all but he f’ed this up. Badly.

Literally what I said.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Literally what I said.

As you were then.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

There are no changes to a president's powers and status until they officially leave office.

They remain Commander-in-Chief and Chief Executive of the US.

Bush Snr approved the launching of air strikes against Iraq.

Which ones?

Gulf War I happened January 1991 not January 1993 before he handed over to Clinton.

 

[Arsene Wenger]

Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 Achieved Success in First Interim Analysis from Phase 3 Study | Pfizer

Vaccine candidate was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing COVID-19 in participants without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first interim efficacy analysis Analysis evaluated 94 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in trial participants Study enrolled 43,538 participants, with...

www.pfizer.com

On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Grave Danger]

Which ones?

Gulf War I happened January 1991 not January 1993 before he handed over to Clinton.

About all of note Bush Snr. did after losing the 1992 election to Clinton was sign a Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty with Boris Yeltsin and pardon a few officials implicated in the Iran-Contragate affair.

If the Orange One is feeling a bit forgiving (once he finally accepts it's over), he could be busy right up to noon on 20th January signing pardons.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

About all of note Bush Snr. did after losing the 1992 election to Clinton was sign a Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty with Boris Yeltsin and pardon a few officials implicated in the Iran-Contragate affair.

If the Orange One is feeling a bit forgiving (once he finally accepts it's over), he could be busy right up to noon on 20th January signing pardons.

Bush Snr used the phrase - the majesty of democracy when explaining the result in his concession speech. Compare that to what Trump said early last Wednesday morning US time.

 

[raptalia]

Overseas media are running this story as big news. I suspect that is because of the high infection rates in the US and Europe. Overseas stock exchanges have surged in response to the announcement.

The BBC used this announcement as the lead story in their news bulletins and were interviewing experts from around the globe. The ABC article below is far more circumspect as the sample is pretty small, only 94 people from many thousands, and the exact data has not been released.

The really encouraging bit is the data was examined by an independent data monitoring board which indicates that it is not just Pfizer telling the story. The success rate of over 90% is also good news as we have been told a success rate of 60% would be required to control the virus.


We need to await further developments including peer evaluation but this is the first time a vaccine has even looked like being successful against a corona virus.

'Just extraordinary': Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine trial shows early success

Experts are optimistic after the initial results show the vaccine could be 90 per cent effective in stopping coronavirus transmission, but more work needs to be done in the trial.

www.abc.net.au

It is interesting to note the reactions of Trump and Biden in the article below.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-news-delivers-hope-around-the-globe

Biden telling it as it is and Trump being Trump.

 

[It Just Is]

Overseas media are running this story as big news. I suspect that is because of the high infection rates in the US and Europe. Overseas stock exchanges have surged in response to the announcement.

The BBC used this announcement as the lead story in their news bulletins and were interviewing experts from around the globe. The ABC article below is far more circumspect as the sample is pretty small, only 94 people from many thousands, and the exact data has not been released.

The really encouraging bit is the data was examined by an independent data monitoring board which indicates that it is not just Pfizer telling the story. The success rate of over 90% is also good news as we have been told a success rate of 60% would be required to control the virus.


We need to await further developments including peer evaluation but this is the first time a vaccine has even looked like being successful against a corona virus.

'Just extraordinary': Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine trial shows early success

Experts are optimistic after the initial results show the vaccine could be 90 per cent effective in stopping coronavirus transmission, but more work needs to be done in the trial.

www.abc.net.au

It is interesting to note the reactions of Trump and Biden in the article below.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-news-delivers-hope-around-the-globe

Biden telling it as it is and Trump being Trump.

Boris Johnson was quick to get his face front and centre in those news headlines too.

As someone living in Europe, entirely selfishly, I do worry a little that this is going to be used as a reason to extend lockdowns because there is now a tangible link to lives saved. The current roller coaster lockdowns are only to stop hospitals being over run because the elimination ship sailed long ago.

I realise how selfish and short sighted that may sound but a lockdown in winter here is a grim affair.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Stock markets soaring including futures markets in Australia.