Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[pastmyprimus]

If the Pfizer vaccine turns out to be 90% effective and the herd immunity threshold for covid is say 70% then approximately 80% of the population would need to be vaccinated. Could be achievable but it depends. Do you get vaccinated straight away or do you wait and see if there are any side effects first

 

[pastmyprimus]

Another double donut day. That's 11 days straight.

 

[davesnothere]

If the Pfizer vaccine turns out to be 90% effective and the herd immunity threshold for covid is say 70% then approximately 80% of the population would need to be vaccinated. Could be achievable but it depends. Do you get vaccinated straight away or do you wait and see if there are any side effects first

Slight problem with logistics rolling it out. Required storage at -70 degrees. It's going to be a slow arduous process and being widely available in a hurry isn't happening so any side effects will be exposed by the time real people are making choices. Other vaccines hopefully overtake it in coming months.

 

[raptalia]

The Pfitzer BioNtech vaccine explained.

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Australia has ordered 10 million doses but I heard Norman Swann say that because of the low temperature needed to store and transport nRMA vaccine Australia would do better to produce it in Australia under licence.

Also heard that the production of this vaccine requires specialised facilities and may not be possible in Australia.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Another double donut day. That's 11 days straight.

Good result and no offence but that double donut expression shits me so much.

Dan never wants to talk about the double donuts after the 8.

 

[pastmyprimus]

I've listened to a lot of Dan's press conferences. What shits me is his repeated statements about how highly infectious the virus is. But knowing that you still stuffed up the hotel quaratine program. Such a high risk environment for the virus to get out into the community. Should have implemented the tighest procedures possible not something half-arsed.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

I've listened to a lot of Dan's press conferences. What shits me is his repeated statements about how highly infectious the virus is. But knowing that you still stuffed up the hotel quaratine program. Such a high risk environment for the virus to get out into the community. Should have implemented the tighest procedures possible not something half-arsed.

I feel let down by him.

First lockdown I thought this blokes all over it, communicates well, made a tough decision and stuck with it. I rated him very highly despite my initial thoughts of him when I moved to Victoria.

I obviously had no idea what was going on in the background. Sadly for all of us neither did Dan.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I'm all for vaccines, and i'm all for getting rid of COVID.

However, there is no way in hell I am getting those vaccines till I feel comfortable about it. If I'm going to be forced, then it at least opens the door for legal action if it turns out to give me elephantiasis

 

[Lawnchair Larry]

I'm all for vaccines, and i'm all for getting rid of COVID.

However, there is no way in hell I am getting those vaccines till I feel comfortable about it. If I'm going to be forced, then it at least opens the door for legal action if it turns out to give me elephantiasis

Morrison has already said there will be no force. It just wont happen.
I would hope that it is given to the "no hope" cases first - those for whom options have run out and death is the next stop.
I would view a live vaccine as more problematic than a snippet of the spike protein. Lets hope we get that one here, with the caveat it has passed all clinical trials.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

If the Pfizer vaccine turns out to be 90% effective and the herd immunity threshold for covid is say 70% then approximately 80% of the population would need to be vaccinated. Could be achievable but it depends. Do you get vaccinated straight away or do you wait and see if there are any side effects first

There will be several hundred thousand people who will get the vaccine before it is offered to the general public. That will be a fair test of how effective and what side effects there are with it, before the general public has to say yes or no to going to get an injection. Greg Hunt on who gets the vaccine first, after last week's announcement that the government has signed up for Novavax to supply 40 million vaccine doses and Pfizer/BioNTech will provide 10 million vaccine doses,

Australia secures a further 50 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine

Two more COVID-19 vaccines have been secured for the Australian population under new agreements, bringing the Australian Government’s COVID-19 vaccine investment to more than $3.2 billion.

www.health.gov.au

“The goal and the expectation is that Australians who sought vaccination will be vaccinated within 2021,” Minister Hunt said.

“There are no surprises, health and aged care workers and the elderly and vulnerable will be the first to gain access to a vaccine that’s deemed safe and effective.”

 

[Interstater]

Have to say I'm getting a bit excited about this now.

Those twelve months I've spent studying new skills to work overseas may now happen.
And those super funds are going up steadily.
And above all else, the last 12 months have done a lot for making me appreciate the things I used to take for granted.

Bring on 2021.

 

[backtozero]

If the Pfizer vaccine turns out to be 90% effective and the herd immunity threshold for covid is say 70% then approximately 80% of the population would need to be vaccinated. Could be achievable but it depends. Do you get vaccinated straight away or do you wait and see if there are any side effects first

Definitely straight away.

 

[Lagooner]

I've listened to a lot of Dan's press conferences. What shits me is his repeated statements about how highly infectious the virus is. But knowing that you still stuffed up the hotel quaratine program. Such a high risk environment for the virus to get out into the community. Should have implemented the tighest procedures possible not something half-arsed.

Using CBD hotels as makeshift quarantine stations was just asking for it anyway. Geographic isolation makes community transmission impossible. Surely the cost of lockdown outweighs the cost of setting up and operating a proper facility in the sticks.

 

[pastmyprimus]

Using CBD hotels as makeshift quarantine stations was just asking for it anyway. Geographic isolation makes community transmission impossible. Surely the cost of lockdown outweighs the cost of setting up and operating a proper facility in the sticks.

A facility in the sticks would have worked. Maybe a difficult sell politically. Too many possible complaints from returned aussie travellers. I also have a feeling that state governments wanted to help out the hotel industry that was forced to shut down.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I think the economic impact is going to be overblown. The effects were external and temporary. Things will bounce back.

What it is though, is opportunity to improve viability of business via streamlining. Love it or hate it, the staff cutbacks in the public sector for example were wildly warranted, pandemic or no.

The task is now to change processes to operate effectively with less capacity.

 

[raman]

I think the economic impact is going to be overblown. The effects were external and temporary. Things will bounce back.

What is is though, is opportunity to improve viability of business via streamlining. Love it or hate it, the staff cutbacks in the public sector for example were wildly warranted, pandemic or no.

The task is now to change processes to operate effectively with less capacity.

And hopefully much of the private sector will realise that working from home isn’t the root of all evil.

 

[Doctor Feel]

And hopefully much of the private sector will realise that working from home isn’t the root of all evil.

I've got working from home wired into my contract now, was effortless. Big tick from the execs. The missus has got the same deal.

What I feel is, it should be completely a perk, and not a right and it should be case by case basis. There are some people who just don't have the capability to work from home. They just **** about and can't resist the lure of the Xbox.

Performance management now more key than ever. I really hope the ****ing ******s don't ruin it for everyone.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I think the economic impact is going to be overblown. The effects were external and temporary. Things will bounce back.

What it is though, is opportunity to improve viability of business via streamlining. Love it or hate it, the staff cutbacks in the public sector for example were wildly warranted, pandemic or no.

The task is now to change processes to operate effectively with less capacity.

Airlines and big chunks of the tourism industry are stuffed for the next 3 to 5 years. They won't bounce back which means businesses who provide them with goods and services won't bounce back quickly.

The get up at 4am to catch a 6am flight, to visit a city an hour or two's flight away, for a 6-7 hour meeting and rush to catch the 5pm or 6pm flight home, will become history. Zoom will replace that. Having to do a 3-5 day training course interstate will still be a thing, but a huge percentage of the more expensive business class flights that underpin an airline's profitability and allow for a wider range of marginal economy seat pricing, won't sell and that will have a long drawn out impact for airlines.

 

[raptalia]

There will be several hundred thousand people who will get the vaccine before it is offered to the general public. That will be a fair test of how effective and what side effects there are with it, before the general public has to say yes or no to going to get an injection. Greg Hunt on who gets the vaccine first, after last week's announcement that the government has signed up for Novavax to supply 40 million vaccine doses and Pfizer/BioNTech will provide 10 million vaccine doses,

Australia secures a further 50 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine

Two more COVID-19 vaccines have been secured for the Australian population under new agreements, bringing the Australian Government’s COVID-19 vaccine investment to more than $3.2 billion.

www.health.gov.au

“The goal and the expectation is that Australians who sought vaccination will be vaccinated within 2021,” Minister Hunt said.

“There are no surprises, health and aged care workers and the elderly and vulnerable will be the first to gain access to a vaccine that’s deemed safe and effective.”

I imagine there will be at least 25 million people in the US and Germany who get the mRNA-based vaccine before it is rolled out in Australia. I heard an expert on the ABC saying that Australia will probably not get any real quantity until well into 2021. That should be a big enough sample and enough lead in time to tell if there are any serious side effects.

The article below puts the mRNA vaccine in context and illustrates a few of the problems with getting it out to the general population.

What does the Pfizer Covid vaccine breakthrough mean for Australia?

Interim results show vaccine to be 90% effective, but findings have not been peer-reviewed, Australia has only secured enough for five million people, and there are concerns around its storage temperature

www.theguardian.com

The vaccine has to be administered in two doses so the 50 million that Australia has signed up for is really 25 million which is enough to cover the entire population.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Airlines and big chunks of the tourism industry are stuffed for the next 3 to 5 years. They won't bounce back which means businesses who provide them with goods and services won't bounce back quickly.

The get up at 4am to catch a 6am flight, to visit a city an hour or two's flight away, for a 6-7 hour meeting and rush to catch the 5pm or 6pm flight home, will become history. Zoom will replace that. Having to do a 3-5 day training course interstate will still be a thing, but a huge percentage of the more expensive business class flights that underpin an airline's profitability and allow for a wider range of marginal economy seat pricing, won't sell and that will have a long drawn out impact for airlines.

Airlines could be state run before we know it really.

 

[Andre]

Airlines could be state run before we know it really.

Or it goes back to the days where not every bogan takes a plane trip to Bali and it's the preserve of the more affluent again.

 

[davesnothere]

Airlines and big chunks of the tourism industry are stuffed for the next 3 to 5 years. They won't bounce back which means businesses who provide them with goods and services won't bounce back quickly.

The get up at 4am to catch a 6am flight, to visit a city an hour or two's flight away, for a 6-7 hour meeting and rush to catch the 5pm or 6pm flight home, will become history. Zoom will replace that. Having to do a 3-5 day training course interstate will still be a thing, but a huge percentage of the more expensive business class flights that underpin an airline's profitability and allow for a wider range of marginal economy seat pricing, won't sell and that will have a long drawn out impact for airlines.

No. People are emotional beasts. Once people have a choice business is won by those who press the fresh.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

No. People are emotional beasts. Once people have a choice business is won by those who press the fresh.

That's business deals, finalizing deals will always be press the flesh stuff.

I'm talking about all those internal corporate meetings where you don't need to press any flesh.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Morrison has already said there will be no force. It just wont happen.
I would hope that it is given to the "no hope" cases first - those for whom options have run out and death is the next stop.
I would view a live vaccine as more problematic than a snippet of the spike protein. Lets hope we get that one here, with the caveat it has passed all clinical trials.

It can't happen in Victoria regardless. Dan Andrews signed up to a part of the human rights charter that no other Australian state has done. You can't force a person to receive medical treatment including tests. This is a bit of the quarantine fiasco that gets overlooked.

Just had a look on the DHHS website and mandatory testing was introduced for return travelers on June 28th which as it turns out was a bit late for the rest of us.

Mandatory Testing For Returned Travellers

Victoria will implement mandatory testing for all returned travellers in hotel quarantine. Victoria is the only state that has been testing returned travellers twice – on day 3 and day 11 – but from today, the day 11 test will be a mandatory requirement to be eligible for release after 14 days...

www.premier.vic.gov.au

 

[Doctor Feel]

I don't know if I'm comfortable with the level of flesh pressing going on in this thread.