Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[chiwigi]

How are there still people coming and going from overseas? How is there sufficient demand for these flights to even take place?

Adds to the 'well to do' argument.

 

[Adz2332]

How does a company with a telly deal in the billions, plus sponsors etc etc be dead broke?
how do they not have money stashed? or contingency plans?

And how do they cut football budgets of the little guys and let a dozen or so people take home millions still.

 

[manureid]

Madam X should have been tested prior to leaving Melbourne and that should have been a condition on her entry into South Australia. How hard would it have been? Spurrier is telling everyone in SA with a sniffle to go get tested and here is someone who has flown in from a world COVID hot spot who is not tested before being let out of quarantine and into SA.

What should have happened is Madam X should have been tested in Victoria and been required to wait for test results if her relative passed away while she was waiting that is sad but no worse than the thousands of people who are passing away with COVID-19 without loved ones at the bedside.

As I posted previously this is a Ruby Princess moment for SA Health as it is something that should not have happened and need not have happened had some commonsense prevailed. It is all very well for Nicola Spurrier to remind us all to be vigilant but those making the decisions also have to be vigilant. This was a fu** up by SA and Victorian authorities not the public and I find it annoying that the Chief Medical Officer lectures the general public on the need to be vigilant while her Department drops the ball. I suspect that Nicola Spurrier has been around too many politicians for too long and is becoming just as adept at deflecting the flak.

Yeh, Spurrier needs to admit they shat the bed here. Be honest ffs. You have done well so far, but you screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully it does not cost us the chances to open the place up.

 

[manureid]

Adds to the 'well to do' argument.

Almost certain the 'exempt' passenger has friends in high places.

 

[Leaveit2charlie]

There’s the problem with a vaccine for COVID-19 in that it's not likely to be a lasting vaccine because of the way coronavirus type infections occur. I’m imagining it will be something like a coat of paint that fades after a period of time. Still workable just a 12 month thing that needs to be redone yearly.

CSIRO team researching coronavirus vaccine spray warns it’s not cure all

The coronavirus threat won't end with a vaccine, Australia's COVID-19 research team has warned. But, with luck, the vaccine may be delivered under our nose.

thenewdaily.com.au

“And in better news for Australians with a fear of needles, the CSIRO researchers are looking at administering the vaccine via a nasal spray.

“You catch (COVID-19) through your nose, so if you have antibodies that are primed on the surface of your nose, that is logically a great place to have them,” he said.”

 

[chiwigi]

There’s the problem with a vaccine for COVID-19 in that it's not likely to be a lasting vaccine because of the way coronavirus type infections occur. I’m imagining it will be something like a coat of paint that fades after a period of time. Still workable just a 12 month thing that needs to be redone yearly.

CSIRO team researching coronavirus vaccine spray warns it’s not cure all

The coronavirus threat won't end with a vaccine, Australia's COVID-19 research team has warned. But, with luck, the vaccine may be delivered under our nose.

thenewdaily.com.au

“And in better news for Australians with a fear of needles, the CSIRO researchers are looking at administering the vaccine via a nasal spray.

“You catch (COVID-19) through your nose, so if you have antibodies that are primed on the surface of your nose, that is logically a great place to have them,” he said.”

Just like the flu vaccine.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Exemptions to attend funerals aren't uncommon. I've got a friend who now lives in the ACT who got an exemption to attend her grandfather's funeral, and she's not a 'friends in high places' type. You're only hearing about it now because this is the first time one of the exemptions has been granted to somebody who it turns out had the virus.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Almost certain the 'exempt' passenger has friends in high places.

I bet if she was a Chinese national they would have quarantined the **** out of her.

White Australia Policy, hey Kochie?

 

[MotlopRules]

Just quietly I raised this exact issue when I did quarantine but I don't think anyone took me that seriously.

I came from the poxbox of Heathrow to Melbourne, sat in a bus with others and was then shunted into a hotel room with no testing, not even a temperature check. And it was the same thing when I left thirteen and a half days later.

I was then advised when I rang SA health that it was totally okay for me to catch mutlple buses and a train home from the airport. This without being tested or anything. I thought it was bizarre at the time and my opinion hasn't changed.

Fwiw I reckon I had covid but I probably need an antibody test by now as I have recovered. I don't think I spread to anyone as I was vigilant and maintained distance but that was more due to my own effort than anything the government did.

As I said at the time, if you are going to incur the expense and take everyone's liberty for two weeks then at least do it ****ing properly for god's sake.

 

[manureid]

Just quietly I raised this exact issue when I did quarantine but I don't think anyone took me that seriously.

I came from the poxbox of Heathrow to Melbourne, sat in a bus with others and was then shunted into a hotel room with no testing, not even a temperature check. And it was the same thing when I left thirteen and a half days later.

I was then advised when I rang SA health that it was totally okay for me to catch mutlple buses and a train home from the airport. This without being tested or anything. I thought it was bizarre at the time and my opinion hasn't changed.

Fwiw I reckon I had covid but I probably need an antibody test by now as I have recovered. I don't think I spread to anyone as I was vigilant and maintained distance but that was more due to my own effort than anything the government did.

As I said at the time, if you are going to incur the expense and take everyone's liberty for two weeks then at least do it ******* properly for god's sake.

Kind of makes me think we are containing it more by luck then good management.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Madam X should have been tested prior to leaving Melbourne and that should have been a condition on her entry into South Australia. How hard would it have been? Spurrier is telling everyone in SA with a sniffle to go get tested and here is someone who has flown in from a world COVID hot spot who is not tested before being let out of quarantine and into SA.

What should have happened is Madam X should have been tested in Victoria and been required to wait for test results if her relative passed away while she was waiting that is sad but no worse than the thousands of people who are passing away with COVID-19 without loved ones at the bedside.

As I posted previously this is a Ruby Princess moment for SA Health as it is something that should not have happened and need not have happened had some commonsense prevailed. It is all very well for Nicola Spurrier to remind us all to be vigilant but those making the decisions also have to be vigilant. This was a fu** up by SA and Victorian authorities not the public and I find it annoying that the Chief Medical Officer lectures the general public on the need to be vigilant while her Department drops the ball. I suspect that Nicola Spurrier has been around too many politicians for too long and is becoming just as adept at deflecting the flak.

And what if the test was negative in Melbourne? How long between test and flying. Tests don't given instantaneous results. She was tested a couple of days before she flew out - I believe.

This is no Ruby Princess moment. There was no lies and deception. There was no potential carrier refusing to be tested because they were going to be charged an arm and a leg to see a doctor. Unlike the Ruby Princess passengers she was easily traceable.

 

[Granny Duurs is Lovely]

And what if the test was negative on Melbourne? How long between test and flying. Tests don't given instantaneous results. She was tested a couple of days before she flew out.

This is no Ruby Princess moment. There was no lies and deception. There was no potential carrier refusing to be tested because they were going to be charged an arm and a leg to see a doctor. Unlike the Ruby Princessant she was easily traceable.

I also don't see this as that big a deal as the virus is almost never going to be eliminated in Australia without a vaccine and at some point we will open our borders again. So this will happen from time to time.

We need to see cases like this as somewhat inevitable, and easy to contain. Tested at the airport with a very limited number of contacts who are all known and able to be contacted. That's gotta be the easiest contact tracing imaginable and should shut down any chance of community spread.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

The issue here isn't so much testing, it is that this person was given a quarantine exemption after travelling from a country with a significant Covid19 infection rate.

We keep getting told to obey the rules, but then government agencies have a potentially disastrous systemic failure with a case of do as I say, not as I do.

South Australia records first new coronavirus case in 19 days

SA records its first new coronavirus case in more than two weeks after a woman who travelled from Victoria was tested — but health authorities say it will not disrupt plans to relax restrictions.

mobile.abc.net.au

South Australia has recorded its first COVID-19 case in 19 days — an overseas traveller who was given an exemption from quarantine.

SA Health said the woman, aged in her 50s, had travelled from the United Kingdom to Victoria where she had been quarantined in a hotel for less than a week, before travelling to South Australia.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Just quietly I raised this exact issue when I did quarantine but I don't think anyone took me that seriously.

I came from the poxbox of Heathrow to Melbourne, sat in a bus with others and was then shunted into a hotel room with no testing, not even a temperature check. And it was the same thing when I left thirteen and a half days later.

I was then advised when I rang SA health that it was totally okay for me to catch mutlple buses and a train home from the airport. This without being tested or anything. I thought it was bizarre at the time and my opinion hasn't changed.

Fwiw I reckon I had covid but I probably need an antibody test by now as I have recovered. I don't think I spread to anyone as I was vigilant and maintained distance but that was more due to my own effort than anything the government did.

As I said at the time, if you are going to incur the expense and take everyone's liberty for two weeks then at least do it ******* properly for god's sake.

What days were you in quarantine in Melbourne. They have gone on a testing blitz since about 5th of May with more than 10,000 tests per day except for a couple of days, so I would be surprised if O's travellers in quarantine weren't tested since that blitz.

IIRC the 700 or so people who flew in from India around 20th April and quarantined at the Pullman and Playford for 14 days until about 5th of May were all tested.

 

[Forzaport]

I’m not concerned in the slightest that there are exemptions granted, people will still have loved ones dying in distant places. The issue is the due care as REH pointed out a few posts back.

We really need to assume that no reliable vaccine is coming, that any treatment is very limited at best and plan around living with the risk the virus presents. That’s going to be life for the foreseeable future until there is something tangible.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The issue here isn't so much testing, it is that this person was given a quarantine exemption after travelling from a country with a significant Covid19 infection rate.

We keep getting told to obey the rules, but then government agencies have a potentially disastrous systemic failure with a case of do as I say, not as I do.

South Australia records first new coronavirus case in 19 days

SA records its first new coronavirus case in more than two weeks after a woman who travelled from Victoria was tested — but health authorities say it will not disrupt plans to relax restrictions.

mobile.abc.net.au

South Australia has recorded its first COVID-19 case in 19 days — an overseas traveller who was given an exemption from quarantine.

SA Health said the woman, aged in her 50s, had travelled from the United Kingdom to Victoria where she had been quarantined in a hotel for less than a week, before travelling to South Australia.

Given the UK is the country with the biggest family relatives for SA and probably Oz, with NZ being the only other country with maybe more relatives, we were always going to get requests for compassionate exemptions.

Who knows what hoops she had to jump thru to get the exemption granted. The Brit who came to SA and had completed immigration process earlier in the year, left UK on 20th March but didn't test positive until went in for test on 5th May because he had started to loose sense of smell and taste.

300,000 Australians have returned home since this thing started, many long term residents of UK, so they are just as likely to bring it back as this lady. But you implement and stick in the right protocols to minimise the risk.

You can't eliminate the risk 100%. This thing wont be eradicated for many decades. Shit, Polio smallpox and some animal disease (rinderpest) are the only two diseases the WHO says have been eradicated. Polio is close.

 

[TeeKray]

How does a company with a telly deal in the billions, plus sponsors etc etc be dead broke?
how do they not have money stashed? or contingency plans?

And how do they cut football budgets of the little guys and let a dozen or so people take home millions still.

Because everyone involved at league and club level want to draw big salaries. The executives justify their big salaries because the game makes x in revenue and grows by y per year. The players union justify their exorbitant wage demands by the same sets of numbers. The existence of a salary cap produces an arms race where clubs employ dozens of staff with dubious impact on performance, all at higher and higher cost with every passing year. Before you know it, every last cent the game makes goes straight out the door the very next moment.

It's a cliquey little bubble, everyone is on the take, everyone looks after each other - and now the bubble has exploded and a bunch of these turkeys expect us to feel sorry for them. Did lol.

 

[rocket18]

Exemptions to attend funerals aren't uncommon. I've got a friend who now lives in the ACT who got an exemption to attend her grandfather's funeral, and she's not a 'friends in high places' type. You're only hearing about it now because this is the first time one of the exemptions has been granted to somebody who it turns out had the virus.

Your example is of an Aussie from another state moving across state borders for a funeral, no one would have an issue with that as essential workers can cross the state borders also.

However in this case we had a visitor from the UK who skipped the mandatory quarantine period, lucky for her she isn't an umpire and only coming from Victoria - no exemption then.

Why did we go through the charade a month ago with that planeload who arrived into Adelaide from overseas, they were herded onto a bus at the airport, taken straight to the hotel in the city for their 14 day lockdown.

Now it seems we have a free for all if you come from overseas.

Something is really off with this, we need Elspeth in her garbage can outside of Spurriers house to see if this person from the UK is one of her friends.

 

[TeeKray]

How dare she try make use of the legal system! Only millionaires deserve to be able to do that!

 

[pastmyprimus]

What days were you in quarantine in Melbourne. They have gone on a testing blitz since about 5th of May with more than 10,000 tests per day except for a couple of days, so I would be surprised if O's travellers in quarantine weren't tested since that blitz.

IIRC the 700 or so people who flew in from India around 20th April and quarantined at the Pullman and Playford for 14 days until about 5th of May were all tested.

My feeling is that the recent testing blitz in Vic didn't cover overseas travellers in quarantine. There was a focus on asymptomatic cases and specifically 'at risk' groups : health care workers, teachers, aged care residents and also the general community.

Only small numbers of community transmission have been picked up in the blitz, and that's given Andrews the confidence to lift restrictions.

 

[rocket18]

I’m not concerned in the slightest that there are exemptions granted, people will still have loved ones dying in distant places. The issue is the due care as REH pointed out a few posts back.

We really need to assume that no reliable vaccine is coming, that any treatment is very limited at best and plan around living with the risk the virus presents. That’s going to be life for the foreseeable future until there is something tangible.

Given the UK is the country with the biggest family relatives for SA and probably Oz, with NZ being the only other country with maybe more relatives, we were always going to get requests for compassionate exemptions.

Who knows what hoops she had to jump thru to get the exemption granted. The Brit who came to SA and had completed immigration process earlier in the year, left UK on 20th March but didn't test positive until went in for test on 5th May because he had started to loose sense of smell and taste.

300,000 Australians have returned home since this thing started, many long term residents of UK, so they are just as likely to bring it back as this lady. But you implement and stick in the right protocols to minimise the risk.

You can't eliminate the risk 100%. This thing wont be eradicated for many decades. Shit Polio and some animal disease are the only two diseases the WHO says have been eradicated.

Sorry I can't get around the logic here.

If you have family member dying or you want to attend a funeral you're saying it is OK for the overseas visitor to spread Covid to the dying person/others in the hospital/nursing home or to the 50 others at the funeral?

Seems bizarre, I think there should be NO exemptions from quarantining when arriving into Australia.

As you mention we will have this virus amongst the worlds population for years, until there is a vaccine anyone entering Australia is a mandatory stay at a monitored hotel - at that persons expense.

Any "compassionate grounds" is the EXACT people you don't want the infected to mingle with - old and or sick who are located in a hospital or nursing home.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Sorry I can't get around the logic here.

If you have family member dying or you want to attend a funeral you're saying it is OK for the overseas visitor to spread Covid to the dying person/others in the hospital/nursing home or to the 50 others at the funeral?

Seems bizarre, I think there should be NO exemptions from quarantining when arriving into Australia.

As you mention we will have this virus amongst the worlds population for years, until there is a vaccine anyone entering Australia is a mandatory stay at a monitored hotel - at that persons expense.

Any "compassionate grounds" is the EXACT people you don't want the infected to mingle with - old and or sick who are located in a hospital or nursing home.

The family member might not have 50 attend their funeral. This lady may have been very very close to the relative and the relative wants to see her before he/she passes away. That's why its called a compassionate exemption. It could be the dying wish of the relative. Why shouldn't that be granted if it is reasonable and the UK lady has shown no symptoms of being infected?

Not that hard to understand, and death and love doesn't always have to be 100% logic.

She was quarantining, but was let out probably because the relative dying wasn't going to make it to day 15. Sometimes sick people rapidly deteriorate compared to what the doctor said a couple of weeks ago.

 

[MotlopRules]

What days were you in quarantine in Melbourne. They have gone on a testing blitz since about 5th of May with more than 10,000 tests per day except for a couple of days, so I would be surprised if O's travellers in quarantine weren't tested since that blitz.

IIRC the 700 or so people who flew in from India around 20th April and quarantined at the Pullman and Playford for 14 days until about 5th of May were all tested.

I arrived 8pm on the 15th of April and was released 12am of the 29th, flew home 9am the same day then did another two weeks self-isolation at home in SA which finished on the 13th of May (which included one random police visit on the 7th). So I missed the blitz you're talking about but from what I've read on the facebook page set up for 'quarantinees' the policy is still no test unless you jump up and down asking for one.

I just find it strange because the lack of testing or temperature checks seemed at odds with the ultra-cautious approach governments are projecting to the public. I would have thought it would be better to just test all international arrivals while the numbers are small enough to do so. I don't know why it's not policy but I suspect it's a bureaucratic issue rather than logistical. There's no consistency between the states on quarantine - ie. in Queensland people were getting 15 minutes of fresh air a day but in Melbourne this was never allowed, in Sydney people were getting released a day earlier etc.

I wasn't well in the UK in the week leading up to coming home and suspect I probably had a mild case, but as I said I'll probably never know now because I was never offered a test at any stage of the process. I did feel guilty catching public transport home but according to SA health that was completely a-okay by them.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

300,000 Australians have returned home since this thing started, many long term residents of UK, so they are just as likely to bring it back as this lady. But you implement and stick in the right protocols to minimise the risk.

You can't eliminate the risk 100%. This thing wont be eradicated for many decades. Shit, Polio smallpox and some animal disease (rinderpest) are the only two diseases the WHO says have been eradicated. Polio is close.

And that is exactly what I am saying. She came from a high risk country and she should have had to follow the 14 day quarantine protocol.

I don't care about hoops and I'm not saying you eradicate the risk entirely, but there are mandated policies in place that we are supposed to follow and in this case they were not. I'm sure it is a sad case but there have been many sad cases which were told to suck it up when the country put a clamp on movement.

And she was caught at the airport so then what? Straight into quarantine so she misses out anyway, but has the opportunity to infect a dozen others in the meantime.

The government tells the public to follow the protocols but in the starting to look unseemly rush to loosen restrictions, government seems to be getting complacent too.

Careful St Nicola, that halo may tarnish.