Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 3.

[JimmyBC]

Update on my mate back home from via his partner.

“Lee’s update, he’s out of icu, so out of Covid ward, is responding a little bit, believe he’s opening eyes know and then, still very poorly , that’s the good news, bad news is it’s lost like they my have to amputate, one of his hands, or at best his fingers, due to a blood clot”

Is this a friend from back home? sorry haven't seen previous posts

*edit I read the first sentence in a Jimmy way durr

 

[chiwigi]

Is this a friend from back home? sorry haven't seen previous posts

Yes mate, used to play rugby with him.
Got Covid that gave him sepsis and all downhill from there. Has been in a coma and on dialysis for weeks.

 

[raptalia]

Israel. Unfortunately these people know what they are doing. Things are going south.

Israel’s Covid infections surge as government rolls out booster shots

One of the world’s most vaccinated nations is bracing itself for more hospitalisations

www.ft.com

"Israel is weighing further lockdowns and the possibility of extending booster vaccine shots to those over 50 years old after the number of new coronavirus infections surged to the highest levels since February.

Almost 80 per cent of the adult population has been fully vaccinated, one of the highest rates in the world, but more than 6,000 people tested positive for Covid-19 on Monday, according to the health ministry. Nearly 650 people were in hospital and 400 of them were in serious condition, it said, without indicating how many had already been vaccinated."


The idea we can live with the virus or manage it isn't looking likely on the evidence available anywhere. The only way out is total elimination and that is eventually going to proven to be the case.

I would like to believe the vaccine spin coming out of the mouths of politicans around the globe but some of the figures are still alarming. In the UK, which like Israel has a large majority of it's population fully vaccinated, they are recording 100+ deaths a day. That is 36,000 deaths a year which is still a worry. Australia with it's smaller population would possibly be looking at 30 deaths a day or 10,000 a year. That is what we will have to live with.

Closer to home we have one politician who intends to lift restrictions when her State gets to 50% fully vaccinated. Maybe she should take a lesson from what is happening in Israel and the UK?

 

[PAFC04]

Ffs

I concur, now we are trying to find excuses, conspiracies on MASKS... some people just don't like what to be told what to do or whats good for them...

Would these same people walk into a room knowing that some has COVID, but you don't know who?

 

[pastmyprimus]

It's clear that Gladys has no answers and at this point anything else is nothing but lip service. It wouldn't surprise me if they've internally made a call such that they're sort of projecting what the future is going to look like when we hit 70 and 80% vaccination rates in terms of the number of cases. Given where they're at now (around 350 cases/day), the time it would take to lock down to get back to that "covid-zero" target might actually be longer than that time it is going to take to get to 70 and 80% vaccination rates. In which case a hard lockdown could be deemed somewhat superfluous.

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with the logic behind it, that is the only way I can make some sort of sense around what is happening over there right now. They had their chance to lock down and get to zero early, they didn't. They've consequently blown it, and now they're scrambling to try to mitigate the situation as best they can until they reach the designated vaccination target rates.

I think there's a chance Gladys might be forced to impose harder restrictions if cases keep trending upwards. Cases are growing outside of the 8 LGAs under tougher restrictions. I think there's a fair chance it'll spread across all of Sydney with the current strategy.

I think pressure from the public and elsewhere will mount if hospitalisations and deaths keep rising. The hospital system is already under stress with 60 patients in ICU. That's close to 10% of ICU capacity in NSW. The usual length of stay for ICU is 3-4 days. Covid patients stay in much longer which effectively reduces capacity.

Gladys is trying to ride things out until enough of the population is vaccinated but that strategy could blow-up in her face.

 

[PAFC66]

Firstly vaccinated people can still contract COVID and are still contagious. Being vaccinated only protects the vaccinated person from severe symptoms and possible death. As only 17% of the SA population is fully vaccinated there is still a fair risk that a vaccinated but infected individual can pass the virus on.

Secondly the AOC were fully aware of the requirements for re entering SA, they were informed in writing on July 30th a week before the Olympics ended. Yet the AOC chose to fly returning athletes into the hottest COVID spot in Australia. As these athletes returned on a charter flight they could have flown to Sydney disembarked the main party then flown on to Adelaide and disembarked the 16 SA athletes or they could have flown to Perth or Brisbane and not had a problem. There were alternatives but they were not taken.

The problem is not Tokyo it is Sydney and a quarantine system that SA Health considers to be high risk. This was pointed out by Nicola Spurrier to the AOC. She wrote,

"The source of the recent outbreak in South Australia which resulted in a seven-day lockdown was from somebody who had contracted COVID-19 during their period of quarantine in NSW."

From the text in Professor Spurrier's letter to the AOC it would appear that since the Modbury cluster a 14 day home quarantine period is now a requirement for all people leaving hotel quarantine in Sydney then traveling on to SA. It is also apparent that this requirement applies only to Sydney and that flying into any other Australian capital would have been fine.

"The source of the recent outbreak in South Australia which resulted in a seven-day lockdown was from somebody who had contracted COVID-19 during their period of quarantine in NSW."

Interesting.. when Melbourne went into lockdown after someone contracting covid in SA hotels as well...

It's almost as if hotels made for tourists aren't safe for a airborne virus?

Maybe send them all to NT where they have purpose made quarantine.

The AOC should be in the face of Scott Morrison not SA.

 

[davesnothere]

Victoria 21 cases.
17 in quarantine all of infectious period.

 

[PowerBaz]

Janus thinks ken Hinkley is a genius and demons exist through ouija boards and stuff. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Isn’t he a genius?!

 

[PAFC04]

I wouldn't have an exact number and I'm certainly not trying to fear monger by any means. Many of my patients have been vaccinated and have been perfectly fine. But to think there is absolute zero risk with getting either Pfizer or AZ, would be misguided.

Misguided, were you when you took you flu jab? I dont think the average Jo wouldn't even know even he if was.

There risks and side effects to all vaccinations, you are given a document stating the side effects that you sign, even with the flu shot.

When the flu jab came out, I didn't know how i would react with the any side effects, having said that I knew it wasn't going to kill me.

Since then, AS a cancer patient under Immunotherapy it is a scary proposition, however I got the go ahead by my oncologist to take the Pfizer, so i did, so I am fully VAC'd and proud of it, cause I made a contribution to our society to keep the future safe, its not just about the now and me. I haven't bothered with the a flu shot as it would have no effect as my immune system is already compromised.

Note: COVID is virus and not a flu.

If we can eradicate polio to the point where cases are just about 0, wouldn't you want to achieve the same goal with vaccinations. Note that health clinicians back then didn't have AI at there finger tips to generate vaccines, if anything it was stumbled across. We now have technology that can learn, which is where these Vaccines came from.

But hey, I am just a dumb ass who has no qualifications on medical advice, but based on history we can overcome this virus, but we all need to work together for a common cause to wonder free and breath in non contaminating air.

Vaccination is not be the only answer, we have learnt from this pandemic is that life as we use to know it will need to change on how we go about life in general, that's a big ask, however if we have learnt form previous then the big ask is not that big for the future.

I'd like to think that Australians band together, no matter what race you are, we need to fight together and NOT as one.

 

[TeeKray]

The vaccine is a fantasy.

Don't get me wrong, absolutely fantastic for those countries overwhelmed by covid, a huge saver of life and great for easing the pressure on the health system.

For a country with 0 cases and where 0 cases has been the expectation for 18 months? All vaccinating and opening up will do is result in the biggest humanitarian disaster the country has seen since WW2. These premiers simply will not have that blood on their hands.

It. Will. Not. Happen.

 

[Harlott]

The vaccine is a fantasy.

Don't get me wrong, absolutely fantastic for those countries overwhelmed by covid, a huge saver of life and great for easing the pressure on the health system.

For a country with 0 cases and where 0 cases has been the expectation for 18 months? All vaccinating and opening up will do is result in the biggest humanitarian disaster the country has seen since WW2. These premiers simply will not have that blood on their hands.

It. Will. Not. Happen.

Which country is that?

 

[Papa G]

Since early last year when COVID became a thing, about 250,000 people in Australia have died.

Less than a thousand have been attributed to COVID.

 

[pastmyprimus]

Since early last year when COVID became a thing, about 250,000 people in Australia have died.

Less than a thousand have been attributed to COVID.

May have something to do with the protective measures we've implemented. Imagine the number of deaths in Aus with zero protective measures. Overseas experience is a guide.

 

[Papa G]

May have something to do with the protective measures we've implemented. Imagine the number of deaths in Aus with zero protective measures. Overseas experience is a guide.

But according to the teeth gnashes on here, everything Scomo, Gladys et al has done has been a complete and utter disaster. Which one is it?

 

[BornPort]

Since early last year when COVID became a thing, about 250,000 people in Australia have died.

Less than a thousand have been attributed to COVID.

So lockdowns are working.

 

[RossFC]

But according to the teeth gnashes on here, everything Scomo, Gladys et al has done has been a complete and utter disaster. Which one is it?

NSW has been a disaster. Victoria hasn't been as bad but they looked in trouble for a bit.

SA has done fine, they should ease restrictions a bit more though post-a lockdown.

 

[pastmyprimus]

But according to the teeth gnashes on here, everything Scomo, Gladys et al has done has been a complete and utter disaster. Which one is it?

If you can't accept that lockdowns work I can't help you. Epidemiologists and infectious disease experts say they work. Craig Kelly and George Christensen say they don't, so you're in good company

 

[PAFC04]

Someone very close to me is currently (as of yesterday) in hospital on thinners due to clots on the lungs. They had AZ roughly 5 weeks ago. It's extremely concerning on a personal level.

I am sorry to hear about this. Lets hope he has a speedy recovery.

You have every right to be frustrated about this, but on the other hand he is taken a friendly fire shot from a war we are fighting against and invisible opponent, at the moment he is soldier recovering, this is a true hero who is fighting for his life.

We should honor those more who have taken up the fight with a vaccine who have died from it for the common cause.

 

[TeeKray]

Lockdowns > vaccines

The human toll of short term lockdowns is not significant, it's the longer term lockdowns that are the problem.

If you have a business that is more marginal and can't absorb 3-4 weeks of lockdowns a year, you don't have a business anymore. It's not fair but life's not fair. White collar/government employment is king.

Unemployment/underemployment will spike a little but extra welfare spending is still better than extra health spending plus a death toll.

Democracy will ensure this is the path forward.

 

[Lagooner]

But according to the teeth gnashes on here, everything Scomo, Gladys et al has done has been a complete and utter disaster. Which one is it?

SloMo has had absolutely nothing to do with the lockdowns because “Er um that’s a matter for the states thank the baby Jesus!”

 

[backtozero]

I am sorry to hear about this. Lets hope he has a speedy recovery.

You have every right to be frustrated about this, but on the other hand he is taken a friendly fire shot from a war we are fighting against and invisible opponent, at the moment he is soldier recovering, this is a true hero who is fighting for his life.

We should honor those more who have taken up the fight with a vaccine who have died from it for the common cause.

Thanks.

Very early days but on blood thinners now and will be for 6 months at least. Just extremely relieved at the moment. Blood clots in both knees travelled to the lungs, could have been dire.
Doctor said they're seeing a heap of blood clot cases but this could be due to people being more inactive due to working at home and staying indoors more generally. Hard not to immediately think its the AZ shot due to this person getting hit really hard with symptoms of breathlessness almost immediately after but other illnesses going around at the moment too and can be hard to diagnose.
I guess the lesson is if you're not feeling right, go to the doc and if you're still not seeing results, keep going back and don't stop.

 

[Del165198]

Lockdowns > vaccines

The human toll of short term lockdowns is not significant, it's the longer term lockdowns that are the problem.

If you have a business that is more marginal and can't absorb 3-4 weeks of lockdowns a year, you don't have a business anymore. It's not fair but life's not fair. White collar/government employment is king.

Unemployment/underemployment will spike a little but extra welfare spending is still better than extra health spending plus a death toll.

Democracy will ensure this is the path forward.

UBI is the answer

 

[backtozero]

I will also say it was quite difficult that this person had to sit in ER for 6 hours despite being sent there straight away and had to sit there with a mask on despite difficulty breathing.

Our health care system is ****ed. This is what needs improving first and foremost. State governments want lockdowns because we're already strained.

 

[Lagooner]

I will also say it was quite difficult that this person had to sit in ER for 6 hours despite being sent there straight away and had to sit there with a mask on despite difficulty breathing.

Our health care system is f’ed. This is what needs improving first and foremost. State governments want lockdowns because we're already strained.

It was nuts that we bulldozed the old RAH when we built the new one. I mean forgetting the pandemic for just a moment, who needs more capacity in a city that already has a rising and ageing population? Oh that’s right, we do.

 

[Festerz]

Our health care system is f’ed

I actually think our public health care system is amongst the best in the world, especially given that access to it is not governed by the size of your wallet.

Not saying that it hasn't got significant room for improvement or that state government spending hundreds of millions on, say, a new basketball stadium would be better directed towards improving staffing numbers in hospitals.

Just saying that called it '****ed' is simply not true.