Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

[pastmyprimus]

So the original SARS I believe they found travelled in apartment buildings through the ventilation ducts. One thing about the plan to house people in the same hotel together, if one does get it or say like these cruise people all the mild-low symptoms victims are going to go into a hotel then I would hope we knew for sure that there's no possibility that housing sick people in the hotel is not just distributing the virus through the rest of the guests via the AC?

Transmission via the AC could be a risk. I can't say for sure. But I can say that larger hospitals have specially designed rooms for isolating patients with infectious diseases, especially airborne diseases. They're known as negative pressure rooms - they stop air from the room from leaving that room, and entering other parts of a hospital. I've read mixed views on how far covid can spread through the air.

I'd hope the infectious disease experts would have taken account of the risk of AC transmission in giving the ok for hotels to accommodate covid patients.

 

[Forzaport]

Well yeah the employer can obviously give everyone the 0.5% pay rise for each one but the great majority aren't going to be in that position. At the end of the day employees will take the hit one way or another.

"Grattan Institute calculations suggest that lifting compulsory super to 12% by 2025 will take up to A$20 billion a year from workers’ pockets. For most, the trade-off isn’t worth it."

Interesting read here:
https://theconversation.com/super-s...ake-middle-australia-poorer-not-richer-120002

"How much poorer? We calculate that, after adjusting for inflation, the typical (median) 30-year-old Australian worker earning A$58,000 today would lose about 2.5% of wages each year and get less than a 1% boost to retirement income.


As a result, that person’s lifetime income would be almost 1% lower – about A$30,000 lower."

I'm not sure in times of Coronavirus that Super is going to be too popular a thing for a while so a good chance some political sense ramps up about this.

It would be good to know how many Australians are paid as salary + super vs salary inc. super. Public servants are salary + super but I have a feeling a lot of private employers pay salary inc. super.

 

[Lagooner]

Transmission via the AC could be a risk. I can't say for sure. But I can say that larger hospitals have specially designed rooms for isolating patients with infectious diseases, especially airborne diseases. They're known as negative pressure rooms - they stop air from the room from leaving that room, and entering other parts of a hospital. I've read mixed views on how far covid can spread through the air.

I'd hope the infectious disease experts would have taken into account of the risk AC transmission in giving the ok for hotels to accommodate covid patients.

Wouldn’t hospital ACs have HEPA filters?

 

[raman]

It would be good to know how many Australians are paid as salary + super vs salary inc. super. Public servants are salary + super but I have a feeling a lot of private employers pay salary inc. super.

To my understanding that's just a way of construing the "salary package" when they advertise their salaries, I didn't think any legal increase in minimum super could cause an employee to end up with less take-home, but I'm happy to be corrected on that point.

 

[Cuzz09]

SA 0 new cases reported today.

Australia 11 in total with 2 jurisdictions to report.

I keep hearing that. I reckon like maybe 30 tests were probably done.

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[Ford Fairlane]

Over repurposing classic songs for coronavirus Tik Toks.

 

[Cuzz09]

One of the passengers from the Uruguay flight has gone straight to the Prince Alfred PAFC66

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[Burningleviathan]

Eh, we have been getting bugger all pay rises for years now. I'm sure the amount of unemployed we now have will be used as a further wage suppressant by employers above what they have already been doing. A mandated bump up in super will probably be more of a raise than what we get in our pay packets whatever employers would like to sell you at this point.

Then again it has been Liberal policy to go after super for years now. Their attempt to go after industry super funds back fired spectacularly so they'll use the corona virus as well as the commission set up to go after it next. No surprise really.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I keep hearing that. I reckon like maybe 30 tests were probably done.

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3,699 tests nationally, 290 in SA. Numbers of tests are down but not non-existent.

Expect numbers of new cases to increase post-Easter.

 

[Cuzz09]

Pretty sure yous had the biggest win over us til 2007. Funny enough the next week we went out and best Hawthorn by the same margin. Quite a turnaround.

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And the week before our game we lost to bottom placed and winless Collingwood. Weird.

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[pastmyprimus]

Wouldn’t hospital ACs have HEPA filters?

I had to look that up, so I've learned something

My view - a HEPA filter offers a high level of protection against the spread of airborne diseases and other nasties. But we still need negative pressure rooms because they offer higher levels of protection needed for highly infectious diseases.

 

[edgie]

I keep hearing that. I reckon like maybe 30 tests were probably done.

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There would be hundreds tested not even processed. Hundreds in Broken Hill districts alone tested again.

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[PowerLil]

Slack f***ers aren't checking tests. I've been waiting six days for a result.

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My daughter got her results in 24 hours.

 

[Lagooner]

I had to look that up, so I've learned something

My view - a HEPA filter offers a high level of protection against the spread of airborne diseases and other nasties. But we still need negative pressure rooms because they offer higher levels of protection needed for highly infectious diseases.

No arguments there. HEPA filters are generally considered to “only” offer 99% protection. Just like frangers, every now and then one sneaks through.

 

[edgie]

My daughter got her results in 24 hours.

I got tested Wednesday morning and nothing since.

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[raman]

I got tested Wednesday morning and nothing since.

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Doesn't this mean you're probably negative? I think getting a qualified clinician to call you on the phone and tell you the result is the logistical bottleneck, and obviously the positive results get first priority.

 

[raptalia]

I had to look that up, so I've learned something

My view - a HEPA filter offers a high level of protection against the spread of airborne diseases and other nasties. But we still need negative pressure rooms because they offer higher levels of protection needed for highly infectious diseases.

Some vacuum cleaners use HEPA filter bags. I heard an expert the other day say the best thing to make a face mask from was a vacuum cleaner dust bag.

 

[raman]

Some vacuum cleaners use HEPA filter bags. I heard an expert the other day say the best thing to make a face mask from was a vacuum cleaner dust bag.

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Ditto if you have refills for an air purifier.

 

[Powerage]

Transmission via the AC could be a risk. I can't say for sure. But I can say that larger hospitals have specially designed rooms for isolating patients with infectious diseases, especially airborne diseases. They're known as negative pressure rooms - they stop air from the room from leaving that room, and entering other parts of a hospital. I've read mixed views on how far covid can spread through the air.

I'd hope the infectious disease experts would have taken account of the risk of AC transmission in giving the ok for hotels to accommodate covid patients.

Air conditioning and the Coronavirus - Everything You Need To Know

"Now, there is no simple yes or no answer as to whether air conditioners spread COVID-19. There is still so much we are unsure about when it comes to the disease, however there are a few factors that have been considered to date."

- Filtration and size of particles
- Air usage
- Humidity and temperature levels

"When it comes down to it, the AIRAH (the Australian Institute of Refrigeration, Air Conditioning and Heating) have come out and said that they have found no evidence to suggest that aircons in homes and businesses transmit COVID-19 at this time. (31 March 2020)."

I'm assuming AIRAH have been in touch with infectious disease experts to come to that conclusion.

 

[raman]

Unused carpet underlay can also be used to make effective masks.

*That isn't true at all, I just wanted to say "Underlay, underlay, HEPA, HEPA!"

Am I in the right thread?

 

[TeeKray]

If my take home pay stays the same then any increase in super is additional money that I’m not currently receiving. How am I worse off? The only way I’d be could be in the short term is if they decreased my take home to fund the increase in super as per the example in my query. Otherwise I’m ahead.

Or you don't get a pay rise you otherwise would've because it's going into your super instead.

At the end of the day, businesses pay employees what they can afford to pay them - and that includes salary and super. The delineation between the two is only on the employee side of the equation.

 

[Powerage]

Would you trust your life to this man?

 

[Lagooner]

Or you don't get a pay rise you otherwise would've because it's going into your super instead.

At the end of the day, businesses pay employees what they can afford to pay them - and that includes salary and super. The delineation between the two is only on the employee side of the equation.

Depends on your situation I guess. Employers would still have to adhere to award wages and collective bargaining agreements and the like. In these cases they can’t just decide to not pass on mandated increases because their super bill is a little bit bigger.

 

[edgie]

Doesn't this mean you're probably negative? I think getting a qualified clinician to call you on the phone and tell you the result is the logistical bottleneck, and obviously the positive results get first priority.

I registered for SMS service.

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[PA88]

I got tested Wednesday morning and nothing since.

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Doesn't this mean you're probably negative? I think getting a qualified clinician to call you on the phone and tell you the result is the logistical bottleneck, and obviously the positive results get first priority.

FYI
Two colleagues of mine were tested. One was contacted and told it was negative but he was tested because his brother recently returned ill from a country with cases. The other was told he would only be contacted if positive. He was tested after falling ill because his family member works in a clinic. He wasn't contacted.