Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

[Powerage]

If China as the world's biggest polluter doesn't address it, then Australia could go back to living in mud huts and walking everywhere and the world may get an extra couple of days before the temp has gone up 1.5C. Woot.

The lesson we should be taking from this is countries should push back against China, that if they won't do their share (especially after they've f’ed the world over here), then they'll cop the hit of bringing industries back onshore or setting up elsewhere in countries that will take climate change into account.

I find that misleading.

1. China emits about 10,357 million metric tons per year with a population of 1.4 billion
2. The United States emits 5,414 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions per year with a population of 329 million

In other words, per capita each person in China emits 7.4 metric tons of carbon dioxide per year. The US emits 19.5 per capita.

Emissions per capita is not a perfect rating of how much a country is doing to limit carbon emissions, but it is probably a better marker than total emissions regardless of population. Admittedly Chinese rates of carbon emissions are growing at a faster rate due to its growing economy. But try pushing back against the US by telling them they need to reduce carbon emissions caused by fossil fuels and industry and see where that gets you.

Compare both countries to India which although it emits about 2,274 million metric tons per year, has a population of 1.35 billion. Per capita this is 1.69 metric tons per year.




BUT

 

[Power Raid]

Be nice to move to a decentralized power network where we all generate our own and store it with battery back up

That’s the wrong direction based on current and future technology and needs

 

[Powerage]

Pollution levels are not climate change.

We can all live without big city pollution if we all agree to give up all the advances of the past 200 years and sit around our homes. Anyway don't worry, the D-day constantly get's pushed back, a bit like peak oil day.

Yes as paradoxically carbon emissions continue to increase rather than decrease. Lets see what happened to carbon emissions were in 2020 when those figures come out in a couple of years time.

 

[Capital Power]

Yes as paradoxically carbon emissions continue to increase rather than decrease. Lets see what happened to carbon emissions were in 2020 when those figures come out in a couple of years time.

Do bushfires get included in this measurement?

 

[LFC2010]

 

[edgie]

Ah 253 you’re a greenie after all.

Doing my bit!

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[OneGreatClub]

 

[raptalia]

Australian COVID-19 vaccine trials to begin in Melbourne within a week. They are looking for 130 human guinea pigs. Anyone interested ?

Must have finished experimenting on those ferrets Ford?

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

Australian COVID-19 vaccine trials to begin in Melbourne within a week. They are looking for 130 human guinea pigs. Anyone interested ?

Must have finished experimenting on those ferrets Ford?

We have all been human guinea pigs the moment we were born.


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[Burningleviathan]

Well i guess that is promising. Hopefully it is successful

 

[Granny Duurs is Lovely]

Haven't even started with tidal power and wave power and these are 24/7 renewable energy sources. The tides never stop.

Then there is hydro power. There are plenty of ways that rivers haven't been taped to generate power that doesn't involve building huge dams.

Tidal Power requires big tides (e.g. 7m +) to be worth it. The areas where this is viable (e.g. Derby WA) tend to be small communities where the demand isn't worth it.

The best option for us is more realistically offshore wind power. Can get massive amounts of power from this, but it takes a lot of capital to get off the ground - i think there's a plan with some danish investors for some offshore wind off the coast of Victoria near Gippsland. Hopefully we see greater subsidies from the government to make these plans viable.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Australian COVID-19 vaccine trials to begin in Melbourne within a week. They are looking for 130 human guinea pigs. Anyone interested ?

Must have finished experimenting on those ferrets Ford?

For the sake of sports, especially those that require the presence of large numbers of spectators squashed into stadiums in order to survive financially, let us truly hope there is a successful vaccine within the next year.

They are looking carefully in Germany at where and how covid 19 started and spread in that country and is is being suggested that it isn’t shopping centres or grocery shopping type activities that spread it widely and quickly. It is mass gatherings: sports crowds and nightclubs, which of course makes perfect sense.

It would seem that spectator sport held in front of large crowds could be just about the last restriction to be lifted and in a worst case scenario could be years rather than just weeks or months off.

They would definitely be wanting massive sanitisation and temperature checking too.

The AFL and clubs will need to get very creative to get money flowing back in in the meantime.

 

[Forzaport]

I find that misleading.

1. China emits about 10,357 million metric tons per year with a population of 1.4 billion
2. The United States emits 5,414 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions per year with a population of 329 million

In other words, per capita each person in China emits 7.4 metric tons of carbon dioxide per year. The US emits 19.5 per capita.

Emissions per capita is not a perfect rating of how much a country is doing to limit carbon emissions, but it is probably a better marker than total emissions regardless of population. Admittedly Chinese rates of carbon emissions are growing at a faster rate due to its growing economy. But try pushing back against the US by telling them they need to reduce carbon emissions caused by fossil fuels and industry and see where that gets you.

Compare both countries to India which although it emits about 2,274 million metric tons per year, has a population of 1.35 billion. Per capita this is 1.69 metric tons per year.




BUT

Cool.

Here's the same data in graph form.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Think that is a worldometres or John Hopkins Uni thing. Might be a Japanese thing as they didn't allow people onto land unless they went to hospital and then there was a quick evacuation of foreigners on planes to their home nations.

But worldometres showed them as separate source for the first time on 17 February, when it had the 2nd highest cases in the world 454 cases and Japan 65 = 519 cases. On the 17th there was an increase 99 on the ship and 6 in Japan. On the 16th Japan had 414 cases. See

Coronavirus Update (Live): 71,442 Cases and 1,776 Deaths from COVID-19 Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, and death toll by country due to the COVID 19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, historical data, and info. Daily charts, graphs, news and updates

web.archive.org

and

Coronavirus Update (Live): 71,323 Cases and 1,770 Deaths from COVID-19 Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, and death toll by country due to the COVID 19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, historical data, and info. Daily charts, graphs, news and updates

web.archive.org

I think its just an admin thing. In mid February there was only 1 ship with a lot of cases and as I said the 2nd biggest cohort in the world so they separated it from Japan.

But since then, there are over 20 ships with cases and those people have been evacuated and counted by their national governments when they are repatriated. Read this wiki page and you see ships are all over the world with different treatments.

COVID-19 pandemic on cruise ships - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Vasco da Gama is 1 of 18 cruise ships with no suspected cases. The non west aussies should have been released from hotel isolation yesterday.

Vasco da Gama: The cruise ship docked in Fremantle in late March 2020. Almost 100 New Zealand passengers were flown from Perth on 29 March and arrived in Auckland on 30 March. As of 31 March, about 200 West Australian passengers were to be ferried to Rottnest Island, which had been converted to a quarantine zone. Another 600 Australians were to be taken to Perth hotels for 14 days of quarantine.[54]

Ah that makes sense, looking at the timeline. Your research is exquisite.

 

[Powerage]

Cool.

Here's the same data in graph form.

I don't see your point.

 

[Forzaport]

I don't see your point.

USA carbon emissions are decreasing.

 

[Magus]

USA carbon emissions are decreasing.

Manufacturing going from the west to China would be the main factor though, no? Shit has to be made somewhere and at the end of the day someone loses pollution wise.

 

[Chewy316]

For the sake of sports, especially those that require the presence of large numbers of spectators squashed into stadiums in order to survive financially, let us truly hope there is a successful vaccine within the next year.

They are looking carefully in Germany at where and how covid 19 started and spread in that country and is is being suggested that it isn’t shopping centres or grocery shopping type activities that spread it widely and quickly. It is mass gatherings: sports crowds and nightclubs, which of course makes perfect sense.

It would seem that spectator sport held in front of large crowds could be just about the last restriction to be lifted and in a worst case scenario could be years rather than just weeks or months off.

They would definitely be wanting massive sanitisation and temperature checking too.

The AFL and clubs will need to get very creative to get money flowing back in in the meantime.

So what if a vaccine doesn't arrive or can't be produced? Hinging the future solely on a vaccine is a recipe for disaster. Even without a vaccine, it must be noted that to date, over 492k people have beaten the virus, whilst of the 1.4 million current active cases, 1.35 million have a mild condition.

To assume anything regarding sporting matches right now is to predict too far into the future. Though I would note that just one week prior to going into lockdown, the women's world T20 final had 84k people at the G, and we saw no issues stemming from that event.

Thats not to say sporting events should be populated right now, but rather that it will be possible even without a vaccine, for sporting events to be populated by fans down the line. I would be surprised if fans don't have access to attending games by the end of the year, but it will be interesting to see how it all develops regardless.

 

[robbo1981]

All this talk about ripping up players contract's has me worried also smaller list sizes.
Contract wise I know Howard had a contract and was traded but I think it still gives you abit more control. And with the likes of rozee,dursma,butters and big lahdams we have done well to have them all signed up for the next 3yrs including this yr.
And as far as list sizes I really like our list depth bar tall backs and if list get cut back to 35 don't think we can keep the 3 ruckman. Thoughts?

 

[Powerage]

USA carbon emissions are decreasing.

1.That graph is for fossil emissions only so it doesn't show the whole carbon emissions picture.

2. The US fossil emissions dropped lower than it ever has been between 1980 and 1990, before carbon emissions were even widely recognised as a threat to global climate change. When they were recognised in 1990, increased by 1000 million tonnes by the year2000 and stayed at that level until 2009 when it began to decrease. Don't mistake the US decrease in fossil fuel carbon emissions to any goodwill towards combating climate change.

3. I badly misrepresented my point about getting the US to reduce fossil emissions. My mistake. I meant to reduce fracking. What is bad about fracking? It reduces a shitlod of methane
"Methane, levels of which have been increasing sharply since 2008, is a potent greenhouse gas that heats the atmosphere quicker than carbon dioxide. " Fracking has single handedly been responsible for now making North America self sufficient in oil, whilst wreaking further havac on global warming than carbon emissions.

4. Find me a product in the US or Australia that is not made in China. Much of the increase in fossil fuels in China is due to being the worlds largest exporter of assembled products. The shift from decrease in fossil fuels in the US is largely due to the shift in the amount of products now assembled and manufactured by US companies in China.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I think they already added them but announced they weren't actually tested they just assumed they all may have had it so therefore are counting them without any testing.

Don't worry about thinking, check the facts. They haven't added them to the numbers as at end of 14th April USA time. News.com made a claim that they had been added. They haven't.

There was no mysterious 4,000 people jump as they claimed, that the numbers would go from 10,000 to 15,000. That's why I posted the NY State link which I have been watching for a week.

 

[NEGAN]

Don't worry about thinking, check the facts. They haven't added them to the numbers as at end of 14th April USA time. News.com made a claim that they had been added. They haven't.

There was no mysterious 4,000 people jump as they claimed, that the numbers would go from 10,000 to 15,000. That's why I posted the NY State link which I have been watching for a week.

Is this the article you're disputing?

N.Y.C. Death Toll Soars Past 10,000 in Revised Virus Count (Published 2020)

The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive.

www.google.com

"The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive."

"New York City, already a world epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, sharply increased its death toll by more than 3,700 victims on Tuesday, after officials said they were now including people who had never tested positive for the virus but were presumed to have died of it."

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Tidal Power requires big tides (e.g. 7m +) to be worth it. The areas where this is viable (e.g. Derby WA) tend to be small communities where the demand isn't worth it.

The best option for us is more realistically offshore wind power. Can get massive amounts of power from this, but it takes a lot of capital to get off the ground - i think there's a plan with some danish investors for some offshore wind off the coast of Victoria near Gippsland. Hopefully we see greater subsidies from the government to make these plans viable.

Tidal power doesn't require big tides like in Broome and Derby, but the bigger the better. The cost of manufacturing units and the robustness of turbines is a bigger issue than tides not being 7m.

Gupta a couple of years ago, made a significant tidal power investment in South Wales near his steel mills because he knows its the future of a significant portion of renewable power generation. Wales doesn't have 7m tides.

 

[Portology]

I'll eat it. I like salt.

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If they could just add some chicken flavour, that would be great.


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[RussellEbertHandball]

Is this the article you're disputing?

N.Y.C. Death Toll Soars Past 10,000 in Revised Virus Count (Published 2020)

The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive.

www.google.com

"The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive."

"New York City, already a world epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, sharply increased its death toll by more than 3,700 victims on Tuesday, after officials said they were now including people who had never tested positive for the virus but were presumed to have died of it."

No this is the article I'm disputing. The one you posted early on the 15th written by news.com.au.

I have seen no other article to comment on, but after I have finished this reply I will read that NY Times one.

New York’s death toll skyrockets

Most New York children “probably” already have coronavirus and are serving as vectors to spread the disease, a New York paediatrician says.

www.news.com.au

New York City has added 4000 deaths to its toll, pushing the total past 10,000.

The city has become the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak in the United States — which is the worst-hit country in the world.
Nearly two million people around the world have been infected with COVID-19 after it was identified in Wuhan, China in December 2019.
The global death toll stands at 125,123.
The revised death toll in New York City comes as the city’s health department added 3778 more deaths, officially listing them as probable causes.
Many of those people died in nursing homes and private homes and were not tested but are deemed to have had the virus.
The new deaths push the city’s overall toll past 10,000 and New York State’s total to about 15,000.

New York’s death toll skyrockets

Most New York children “probably” already have coronavirus and are serving as vectors to spread the disease, a New York paediatrician says.

www.news.com.au

This is the New York State website that says 10,834 deaths in the state of New York, not in New York City.

New York City is 5 boroughs and they had had deaths of Bronx 1,545 + Kings 2,308 + Manhattan 1,433 + Queens 2,042 + Richmond 362 = 7,690

COVID-19 Testing Tracker

Statewide tests and positive cases

covid19tracker.health.ny.gov

As at 12.19 am 16th they are still showing deaths for the whole state of 10,824.