Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

[bomberclifford]

Literally the first sentence of the article suggests a 'laboratory' vs 'natural' origin analysis - I'm saying that the outbreak starting in a Chinese laboratory from a natural origin is absolutely plausible which the article hints at.

You mean this...

The Pentagon’s top general has said that US intelligence has looked into the possibility that the coronavirus outbreak could have started in a Chinese laboratory, but that the “weight of evidence” so far pointed towards “natural” origins.

Natural origins to me, in the context of the article, is referring to it specifically not coming from a laboratory.

Whatever definition you may want to put on it, the clear message from the article is that it did not originate in a laboratory, which is the exact opposite of the implication from the article you posted.

 

[Forzaport]

Whatever definition you may want to put on it, the clear message from the article is that it did not originate in a laboratory, which is the exact opposite of the implication from the article you posted.

From the article you posted:

The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Gen Mark Milley, was speaking on the day of a Washington Post report about state department cables in 2018 in which US diplomats raised safety concerns about the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) which was conducting studies of coronavirus from bats.

“During interactions with scientists at the WIV laboratory, they noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory,” a cable dated 19 January 2018 said, according to the Post.

Lack of proper physical containment suggests the outbreak could very well have originated from the laboratory.

 

[bomberclifford]

Lack of proper physical containment suggests the outbreak could very well have originated from the laboratory.

Well yes, apart from the quotes within the same article about the weight of evidence suggesting otherwise.


Forzaport reading the Guardian:

 

[Forzaport]

Well yes, apart from the quotes within the same article about the weight of evidence suggesting otherwise.


Forzaport reading the Guardian:

Yeah this is just ****ing rude.

 

[bomberclifford]

Yeah this is just ******* rude.

Come on man, it was funny.

 

[Magus]

It does seem like a pretty massive coincidence that the virus would originate in the same city where a labratory that experiments with corona viruses exists.

Not saying there was done purposely but is it really such a massive leap to say that's where it may have originated? They also come into contact with all sorts of animals, including bats.

 

[bomberclifford]

It does seem like a pretty massive coincidence that the virus would originate in the same city where a labratory that experiments with corona viruses exists.

Not saying there was done purposely but is it really such a massive leap to say that's where it may have originated? They also come into contact with all sorts of animals, including bats.

It's only a massive leap in that the weight of evidence currently points to this not being the case.

I would have thought that if US intelligence had evidence that the virus originated from that lab, then they'd be broadcasting it in strongly, unambiguous language.

 

[Andre]

I don't see your point.

That the atmosphere doesn't care about per capita emissions, only actual emissions. So attack from the most to least actual emissions as a priority. Sure all countries need to do more, but if we want results, not warm and fuzzies from point scoring, then it's China, China, China first and foremost.

 

[Magus]

It's only a massive leap in that the weight of evidence currently points to this not being the case.

I would have thought that if US intelligence had evidence that the virus originated from that lab, then they'd be broadcasting it in strongly, unambiguous language.

“There’s a lot of rumour and speculation in a wide variety of media, blog sites, etc,” Milley told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday. “It should be no surprise to you that we’ve taken a keen interest in that, and we’ve had a lot of intelligence look at that. And I would just say at this point, it’s inconclusive, although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural. But we don’t know for certain.”

So, so far all we have is theories and speculation.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Last comment on NY - looks like it might be a jurisdictional issue, The State total that Governor Cuomo quotes every day and is reported in national totals and reported by John Hopkins and worldometers wont be adjusted, but NYC stats held by the mayor's office probably will be.

To date, there has been no addition of 3,700 cases added to any official totals.

This has been bugging me so I finally found the New York City page that explains this extra counting. As suspected its a jurisdictional thing and the NY State government count is what is accepted as the official count, NYC is keeping its own tally. I have copied the data bit from the page and copied other bits above an below the graphic.

COVID-19: Latest Data - NYC Health

www1.nyc.gov

The data presented below reflect the most recent information collected about people who have tested positive for COVID-19 in NYC. We are discouraging people with mild to moderate symptoms from being tested at this time, so the data primarily represent people with more severe illness. All data included below are preliminary and subject to change.

Unless otherwise noted, all of the below information was collected by the NYC Health Department.

This page will be updated daily.

This page includes data visualizations. To view the data as CSV files, visit our Github repository.

• Data on Public Health Milestones

Daily Counts
This chart shows the number of positive cases by diagnosis date, hospitalizations by admission date and deaths by date of death from COVID-19 on a daily basis since March 3.

As of March 31, the NYC Health Department is now reporting the number of COVID-19 cases by diagnosis date, instead of report date. Diagnosis date is the date that someone went to their doctor and had a swab taken for testing. We were previously using the reported date of infection. Diagnosis date is more reflective of when people are getting sick and being tested.

Due to this change, case counts per day reported previously will not match current daily counts. Information about cases over the last week will be incomplete until the laboratories and hospitals report the results for people who were tested, which can take a few days to a week.

Hover over bars to see exact values.

 

[bomberclifford]

“There’s a lot of rumour and speculation in a wide variety of media, blog sites, etc,” Milley told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday. “It should be no surprise to you that we’ve taken a keen interest in that, and we’ve had a lot of intelligence look at that. And I would just say at this point, it’s inconclusive, although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural. But we don’t know for certain.”

So, so far all we have is theories and speculation.

Yes. Did you skip over the preceding sentence?

 

[Duckimus Prime]

“There’s a lot of rumour and speculation in a wide variety of media, blog sites, etc,” Milley told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday. “It should be no surprise to you that we’ve taken a keen interest in that, and we’ve had a lot of intelligence look at that. And I would just say at this point, it’s inconclusive, although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural. But we don’t know for certain.”

So, so far all we have is theories and speculation.

although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural <- this says that the evidence they have indicates its natural.
But we don’t know for certain. <- This means they don't have the information to say 100% that it was natural, not that they think it might've come from a lab.

 

[Magus]

although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural <- this says that the evidence they have indicates its natural.
But we don’t know for certain. <- This means they don't have the information to say 100% that it was natural, not that they think it might've come from a lab.

So if they don't have any certainty that it came from the market, it must have come from somewhere else.

Where else could that be?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Are these the same blokes that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and tried to tie the Al-Qaeda to Hussein?

Keep your bullshit detector up peoples.

 

[Lagooner]

So if they don't have any certainty that it came from the market, it must have come from somewhere else.

Where else could that be?

That doesn’t follow. Just because you can’t prove something 100% at this point doesn’t make the alternative true.

 

[Magus]

That doesn’t follow. Just because you can’t prove something 100% at this point doesn’t make the alternative true.

It absolutely means there are other possibilities.

 

[NoddyHolder]

So if they don't have any certainty that it came from the market, it must have come from somewhere else.

Where else could that be?

It came from under Donald Trump's wig. They can't say for certain it didn't so this theory is equally valid.

 

[bomberclifford]

It absolutely means there are other possibilities.

Yes, but the weight of evidence currently points to it being one particular scenario.

 

[Magus]

It came from under Donald Trump's wig. They can't say for certain it didn't so this theory is equally valid.

Yes because that's equally as plausible as it coming from a laboratory where they experiment with viruses and test on exotic animals in the exact same city as where the virus originated.

But the Pentagon man said nahh.

 

[Alberton Proud]

Restrictions have lessened in Singapore and their infections are now through the roof. We can't open for another few months atleast realistically.

Honestly, Singapore's population density and cultural demographics are nothing like Australia's

It's been made undeniably clear around the world that one plan does not fit all

There is no reason why Australia can't embark on a controlled rollback right now as is being discussed at today's federal cabinet meeting

 

[NoddyHolder]

Yes because that's equally as plausible as it coming from a laboratory where they experiment with viruses and test on exotic animals in the exact same city as where the virus originated.

But the Pentagon man said nahh.

Don't get angry with me man. I'm just the messenger. It's the facebook mums you should be directing your incandescent rage at.

 

[OneGreatClub]

So what if a vaccine doesn't arrive or can't be produced? Hinging the future solely on a vaccine is a recipe for disaster. Even without a vaccine, it must be noted that to date, over 492k people have beaten the virus, whilst of the 1.4 million current active cases, 1.35 million have a mild condition.

To assume anything regarding sporting matches right now is to predict too far into the future. Though I would note that just one week prior to going into lockdown, the women's world T20 final had 84k people at the G, and we saw no issues stemming from that event.

Thats not to say sporting events should be populated right now, but rather that it will be possible even without a vaccine, for sporting events to be populated by fans down the line. I would be surprised if fans don't have access to attending games by the end of the year, but it will be interesting to see how it all develops regardless.

I said it would be just about the last restriction to be lifted. Overseas travel also.

 

[StrappingTape]

Are these the same blokes that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and tried to tie the Al-Qaeda to Hussein?

Keep your bullshit detector up peoples.

except we know there's a virus, we know what country it originated and we know they did their best to hide it. Even if they do find out it was a leak from a lab I'm not sure what u can do about it to stop it in the future.

 

[bomberclifford]

But the Pentagon man said nahh.

I'm really intrigued as to why you think the 'Pentagon man' would want to shift scrutiny from the lab theory to the wet market theory.
Wouldn't they be more inclined to try to shift the other way?

Or is it a double bluff?
Or are they hiding the fact that this virus has a US origin?
Or are they allowing China to keep face?
etc

This is a genuine question.

 

[Lagooner]

It absolutely means there are other possibilities.

That’s absolutely not what you said.

Carole Baskin probably killed her millionaire second husband although we can’t be certain therefore he MUST HAVE been abducted by aliens.