Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

Thoughts on COVID-19? (Choose 2 options)

  • It's a naturally occurring virus

    Votes: 15 20.3%

  • It came from a Chinese laboratory

    Votes: 31 41.9%

  • It came from a US/other laboratory

    Votes: 5 6.8%

  • It's dangerous and harsh restrictions are necessary

    Votes: 19 25.7%

  • It's not dangerous enough to warrant harsh restrictions

    Votes: 22 29.7%

  • It's basically another flu, so restrictions are silly

    Votes: 14 18.9%
  • Total voters
    74

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No SPIN said:
Sales less Cost = Profit.
A share price rise is not profit - it’s an increase in the value of the company.
If they have a bad trial it will sink the share price and the value of the company.
They are not Big Pharma - they are Small Pharma with potential.

All Vaccine Companies have protection from being sued - it’s not just Moderna.
It’s part of a strategy to encourage quick responses to infectious outbreaks.
But importantly the depth of Human trials is not, so there is no need for concerns that not enough testing had ocurrred - it’s just been accelerated.
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Who is making the big profits that all of the COVID injection develops have reported? Pretty sure Gates was one of the first investors reported around 2015 as genetic modification and vaccines is one of his pet projects, but many associated with the companies have made huge profits as well.

Did you read the published anima trials for Moderna, Pfizer and AZ, because I did. Previous animal trials for mRNA had between 20 and 100% serious adverse effects and deaths. I think you should have a look because the reports coming out now were seen in those previous trials and when humans started to be "vaccinated" in Phase I and 2, they only needed a few deaths and thousands (not hundreds of thousands) of adverse effects to shut down.

Why?

That would be because the companies or Governments had to take responsibility and compensate. Somehting they made sure they aren't going to do now.
 
BlueE said:
Who is making the big profits that all of the COVID injection develops have reported? Pretty sure Gates was one of the first investors reported around 2015 as genetic modification and vaccines is one of his pet projects, but many associated with the companies have made huge profits as well.

Did you read the published anima trials for Moderna, Pfizer and AZ, because I did. Previous animal trials for mRNA had between 20 and 100% serious adverse effects and deaths. I think you should have a look because the reports coming out now were seen in those previous trials and when humans started to be "vaccinated" in Phase I and 2, they only needed a few deaths and thousands (not hundreds of thousands) of adverse effects to shut down.

Why?

That would be because the companies or Governments had to take responsibility and compensate. Somehting they made sure they aren't going to do now.
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Do you believe this is a Big Pharma initiated Pandemic?
Where is the evidence mRNA vaccines modify our genes?
 
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Hawk Dork said:
Health care workers and anyone in contact with new quarantined arrivals need to be vaccinated real quick.....feds are stuffing this up
Vaccinating people before they come home as part of the deal of coming home should be a priority too.

You go and get put on the list if you step in that room and get jabbed
20 odd days later you get told to get on the plane a few hours earlier to be able to get your next one

No jab no fly
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Vaccinated people are the one passing on the new strain. How do you think the other people in the same floor of the vaccinated security guard got the same strain after him.

Many specialists have predicted this and is one of the reasons AZ was found not to work in South Africa after SA was one country used in the human trials and that strain was in the community.

Many reports from overseas of fully vaccinated people (2 injections) getting COVID. Not only does it not stop you getting or passing on the virus, the dubious claim of it not being so serious if you get it, is moot as research show any effect protective effect may only last between a few weeks or months.
 

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No SPIN said:
Do you believe this Big Pharma initiated Pandemic?
Where is the evidence mRNA vaccines modify our genes?
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Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy AM, DSC, PHD, MB, BS, FRAP, FRCP (A) - a member of the Australian Academy of Science's Covid-19 Expert Database, is a vaccine developer and who has been awarded an 'Order of Australia' for services to Immunology and Medicine, and thousands of Drs that signed the Barrington declaration claim that Big Pharma in conjunction with the media and Health officers have have their products and injections promoted instead of safe and effective therapeutics.

Start to read or listen to Gates himself explain about his genetically modified organisms he's going injecting straight into the arms of kids.
 
BlueE said:
Vaccinated people are the one passing on the new strain. How do you think the other people in the same floor of the vaccinated security guard got the same strain after him.

Many specialists have predicted this and is one of the reasons AZ was found not to work in South Africa after SA was one country used in the human trials and that strain was in the community.

Many reports from overseas of fully vaccinated people (2 injections) getting COVID. Not only does it not stop you getting or passing on the virus, the dubious claim of it not being so serious if you get it, is moot as research show any effect protective effect may only last between a few weeks or months.
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Good morning citizen 3737581236, it’s the first day of the month. You are reminded to immediately get your covid booster shot. Your vax pass status has been changed to red. You are to wear a mask at all times and not leave your room for any reason other than vaccination for the next 7 days.
 
BlueE said:
Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy AM, DSC, PHD, MB, BS, FRAP, FRCP (A) - a member of the Australian Academy of Science's Covid-19 Expert Database, is a vaccine developer and who has been awarded an 'Order of Australia' for services to Immunology and Medicine, and thousands of Drs that signed the Barrington declaration claim that Big Pharma in conjunction with the media and Health officers have have their products and injections promoted instead of safe and effective therapeutics.

Start to read or listen to Gates himself explain about his genetically modified organisms he's going injecting straight into the arms of kids.
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What has this got do with altering our genes its irrelevant- just like people worried GMO food is risky.
What evidence do you have the mRNA vaccine alters our genes?
Is this all a Big Pharma conspiracy?
 
Germany has halted the AstraZeneca jab again, due to more reports of clotting. I'm shocked to be sitting here posting this :rolleyesv1:

childrenshealthdefense.org

Germany Hits Pause Again on AstraZeneca After 31 Reports of Rare Blood Clots, 9 Deaths

German health officials today suspended use of AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine for people under 60 as a “precautionary measure,” stating that people needed to “treat it carefully and wait for the talks taking place at the federal level.”
childrenshealthdefense.org childrenshealthdefense.org
 
I saw a doco recently about either Nazi Germany or Cold War Eastern Europe (I can't remember), but it said that in such dictatorships, over 80% of people getting busted for breaking the "rules" was as a result of being dobbed in by fellow citizens. Someone posted on here a meme (or similar, I think) about getting people citizens to turn on each other, etc

 
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Hawk Dork said:
Health care workers and anyone in contact with new quarantined arrivals need to be vaccinated real quick.....feds are stuffing this up
Vaccinating people before they come home as part of the deal of coming home should be a priority too.

You go and get put on the list if you step in that room and get jabbed
20 odd days later you get told to get on the plane a few hours earlier to be able to get your next one

No jab no fly
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You’ve obviously never heard of the Nuremberg Code?
 
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Registered User said:
Germany has halted the AstraZeneca jab again, due to more reports of clotting. I'm shocked to be sitting here posting this :rolleyesv1:

childrenshealthdefense.org

Germany Hits Pause Again on AstraZeneca After 31 Reports of Rare Blood Clots, 9 Deaths

German health officials today suspended use of AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine for people under 60 as a “precautionary measure,” stating that people needed to “treat it carefully and wait for the talks taking place at the federal level.”
childrenshealthdefense.org childrenshealthdefense.org
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They first announced that corona vaccinations with AstraZeneca would be stopped for women under 55 years of age.

The Paul Ehrlich Institute (PEI) said it has now registered 31 cases of clots in the cerebral veins - known as sinus vein thrombosis, or CSVT - and that in 19 of these there was a deficiency of blood platelets or thrombocytepenia.

In nine cases, the affected people died. With the exception of two cases, all reports concerned women between the ages of 20 and 63. The two men were 36 and 57 years old.

www.express.co.uk

AstraZeneca vaccine fears: Germany bans jab for everyone under 60

GERMANY is once again suspending the use of the AstraZaneca vaccine to all people under the age of 60, in the latest blow to the Oxford jab suppliers coming from Europe.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
 

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No SPIN said:
What has this got do with altering our genes its irrelevant- just like people worried GMO food is risky.
What evidence do you have the mRNA vaccine alters our genes?
Is this all a Big Pharma conspiracy?
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What's irrelevant? Injecting genetically modified organisms? mRNA in Pfizer and Moderna, and adenovector simian DNA in AZ and Johnson's. Many of the immune injury responses, adverse effects and deaths are being recorded are due to this. The theoretical possibility of altering DNA has not been sufficiently studied in animals, so the answer is unknown. The reporting of Phase 3 results in Jan 2023 should be able to give more answers.

AZ did some mice studies to see if it affected them becoming pregnant but refused to report on it, instead advising the effect on fertility is unknown, but advised the injection recipients not to try to get pregnant until 2 months after the injection.

They didn't try to test for male sterility on animals but a human trial reported on here is researching the injections and their effect on sperm fertility and possible sterility. The brave volunteer have been advised to freeze their sperm just in case.

AZ tested on 12 NHP's, 6 were challenged with SARS CoV 2 and all contracted COVID (to a lesser degree than control), and Pfizer had 4 NHP's given the current formula with the same results. Knowing problems that occurred in the animal studies in previous mRNA and adenovector DNA studies, they didn't bother to complete those tests this time.

Prof Clancy's in his written report and interview with Liam Bartlett, and the Great Barrington Declaration, all posted on here answers your question about the role of big Pharma. I wrote what I thought, so I'm not sure why you keep asking this question?

I've made it clear I'm happy with others that have a different point of view to mine and I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but looking at some of your posts on here, if you want to suck the life out of the thread with petty arguments and gaslighting ... Bye!
 
BlueE said:
What's irrelevant? Injecting genetically modified organisms? mRNA in Pfizer and Moderna, and adenovector simian DNA in AZ and Johnson's. Many of the immune injury responses, adverse effects and deaths are being recorded are due to this. The theoretical possibility of altering DNA has not been sufficiently studied in animals, so the answer is unknown. The reporting of Phase 3 results in Jan 2023 should be able to give more answers.

AZ did some mice studies to see if it affected them becoming pregnant but refused to report on it, instead advising the effect on fertility is unknown, but advised the injection recipients not to try to get pregnant until 2 months after the injection.

They didn't try to test for male sterility on animals but a human trial reported on here is researching the injections and their effect on sperm fertility and possible sterility. The brave volunteer have been advised to freeze their sperm just in case.

AZ tested on 12 NHP's, 6 were challenged with SARS CoV 2 and all contracted COVID (to a lesser degree than control), and Pfizer had 4 NHP's given the current formula with the same results. Knowing problems that occurred in the animal studies in previous mRNA and adenovector DNA studies, they didn't bother to complete those tests this time.

Prof Clancy's in his written report and interview with Liam Bartlett, and the Great Barrington Declaration, all posted on here answers your question about the role of big Pharma. I wrote what I thought, so I'm not sure why you keep asking this question?

I've made it clear I'm happy with others that have a different point of view to mine and I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but looking at some of your posts on here, if you want to suck the life out of the thread with petty arguments and gaslighting ... Bye!
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"Provide evidence"
*evidence provided*
"Where is the evidence"

Rinse and repeat
 
BlueE said:
What's irrelevant? Injecting genetically modified organisms? mRNA in Pfizer and Moderna, and adenovector simian DNA in AZ and Johnson's. Many of the immune injury responses, adverse effects and deaths are being recorded are due to this. The theoretical possibility of altering DNA has not been sufficiently studied in animals, so the answer is unknown. The reporting of Phase 3 results in Jan 2023 should be able to give more answers.

AZ did some mice studies to see if it affected them becoming pregnant but refused to report on it, instead advising the effect on fertility is unknown, but advised the injection recipients not to try to get pregnant until 2 months after the injection.

They didn't try to test for male sterility on animals but a human trial reported on here is researching the injections and their effect on sperm fertility and possible sterility. The brave volunteer have been advised to freeze their sperm just in case.

AZ tested on 12 NHP's, 6 were challenged with SARS CoV 2 and all contracted COVID (to a lesser degree than control), and Pfizer had 4 NHP's given the current formula with the same results. Knowing problems that occurred in the animal studies in previous mRNA and adenovector DNA studies, they didn't bother to complete those tests this time.

Prof Clancy's in his written report and interview with Liam Bartlett, and the Great Barrington Declaration, all posted on here answers your question about the role of big Pharma. I wrote what I thought, so I'm not sure why you keep asking this question?

I've made it clear I'm happy with others that have a different point of view to mine and I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but looking at some of your posts on here, if you want to suck the life out of the thread with petty arguments and gaslighting ... Bye!
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Let’s look at the logic of why it’s not Big Pharma - see my posts from yesterday.

It is an absurd proposition, unless you’re are a Vaccine manufacturer, lockdown has not been good for the vast majority of Big Pharma, given reduced: Doctors visits, surgery, Cancer treatments etc etc.
And why would other important industries standby idly and watch Big Pharma start a pandemic while their Businesses are decimated - it’s illogical.

RNA and DNA have been injected into our cells with no resulting genetic modification for million or years- it’s called a viral infection.
It’s the way a virus replicates once in the body. That’s why Adenoviruses are used as Vectors in the Vaccine - to take advantage of the mechanism thats existed since evolution. It’s very clever science
So the evidence based on millions of years of evolution is clear, DNA and RNA injected into human cells via Viruses CANNOT change our genes.

You have been seduced by uninformed paranoia.

However there are definitely ways to alter genes but it’s far more complicated and uses a gene editing technology called CRISPR - but that’s not in Vaccines.

COVID Vaccine can’t change our genes.
 
BlueE said:
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Hm - for every one of these fringe guys and I would add Dr. Shiva and Dr. Buttar there is far more reputable evidence that they are wrong.
These guys push this fringe stuff because it gets hits - there are no hits without outlandish claims.

That said, Urso’s views on HCQ are not fringe and I have some agreement with.
All that said, I’ll still watch the video later today.
 
No SPIN said:
Let’s look at the logic of why it’s not Big Pharma - see my posts from yesterday.

It is an absurd proposition, unless you’re are a Vaccine manufacturer, lockdown has not been good for the vast majority of Big Pharma, given reduced: Doctors visits, surgery, Cancer treatments etc etc.
And why would other important industries standby idly and watch Big Pharma start a pandemic while their Businesses are decimated - it’s illogical.

RNA and DNA have been injected into our cells with no resulting genetic modification for million or years- it’s called a viral infection.
It’s the way a virus replicates once in the body. That’s why Adenoviruses are used as Vectors in the Vaccine - to take advantage of the mechanism thats existed since evolution. It’s very clever science
So the evidence based on millions of years of evolution is clear, DNA and RNA injected into human cells via Viruses CANNOT change our genes.

You have been seduced by uninformed paranoia.

However there are definitely ways to alter genes but it’s far more complicated and uses a gene editing technology called CRISPR - but that’s not in Vaccines.

COVID Vaccine can’t change our genes.
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Are you talking about how our immune system has dealt with RNA viruses for thousands of years? And how human's have develop a very effective immune system including T Cells, that easily deal with these viruses and their many variants? I'm a big fan of our immune system and the safe and effective therapeutics that enhance it's response to different viruses. That's not injecting mRNA or DNA into us!

You've very wrong about the current mRNA and adenovirus DNA injections as they have potential to change our genes and comprehensive animal testing (as in the past) or finishing Phase 3 human testing would give more information. Why not report on the mice pregnancy tests for example?

You have not bothered to read one animal study from Moderna, Pfizer or Oxford AZ, and I doubt any of the original research that's been published, or in reports used for emergency use authorisation, which I have and yet you tell me I've "been seduced by uniformed paranoia"?

But please line up for your experimental AZ injection assessed as not necessary at this moment, by one of the most qualified in Australia to evaluate it, Prof Clancy. And it hasn't been approved in the US, Switzerland, South Africa and halted in many European countries, because if its many adverse effects and deaths.
 
No SPIN said:
Hm - for every one of these fringe guys and I would add Dr. Shiva and Dr. Buttar there is far more reputable evidence that they are wrong.
These guys push this fringe stuff because it gets hits - there are no hits without outlandish claims.

That said, Urso’s views on HCQ are not fringe and I have some agreement with.
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What in particular in your expert evaluation is Dr Urso wrong about?

What about Dr Cole making a presentation on invitation of the Idaho Senate?

 
BlueE said:
Are you talking about how our immune system has dealt with RNA viruses for thousands of years? And how human's have develop a very effective immune system including T Cells, that easily deal with these viruses and their many variants? I'm a big fan of our immune system and the safe and effective therapeutics that enhance it's response to different viruses. That's not injecting mRNA or DNA into us!

You've very wrong about the current mRNA and adenovirus DNA injections as they have potential to change our genes and comprehensive animal testing (as in the past) or finishing Phase 3 human testing would give more information. Why not report on the mice pregnancy tests for example?

You have not bothered to read one animal study from Moderna, Pfizer or Oxford AZ, and I doubt any of the original research that's been published, or in reports used for emergency use authorisation, which I have and yet you tell me I've "been seduced by uniformed paranoia"?

But please line up for your experimental AZ injection assessed as not necessary at this moment, by one of the most qualified in Australia to evaluate it, Prof Clancy. And it hasn't been approved in the US, Switzerland, South Africa and halted in many European countries, because if its many adverse effects and deaths.
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I’m not wrong - you cannot change genes with these Vaccines it’s bunkum as I’ve pointed out.
Give me a reputable peer reviewed publication that says otherwise and I’ll listen.
I’m very well versed in this stuff.
 
No SPIN said:
I’m not wrong - you cannot change genes with these Vaccines it’s bunkum as I’ve pointed out.
Give me a reputable peer reviewed publication that says otherwise and I’ll listen.
I’m very well versed in this stuff.
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All the animal studies were peer reviewed, and AZ phase 1 and 2 studies, which I've linked and discussed on here. Pfizer and Moderna have only published small numbers for peer review and most of the information they had was in controversial .pdfs used to get US emergency approval (60 to 100 pages from memory), that have been challenged in two journals for leaving out information, I linked on here as well. But as you should be aware none of these studies reported on any adverse effects that occurred over 2 months.

The AZ mouse study was peer reviewed and could have reported on permanent DNA changes warned about with changes to female sterility in the Yeadon/ Wodarg letter to the European Regulatory Authority. BUT the results of the pregnancy mouse research was not reported and the effect on female sterility is unknown at present.

You wonder why I doubt anything you say when you haven't read the original research or have shown any indication you're aware of pervious published research which stopped previous mRNA injections in humans.
 
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