Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[zill]

So if you get the jab and catch covid does that mean you get a soft on, maybe a half on.

Nobody will know the answer to that for a few years at least, it being an untested experimental drug. There are, however, many hundreds of millions of lab rats no doubt eager to share their experiences of the weird and wonderful side effects.

 

[giggler99]

ffs! It really isn’t about our health and well-being is it?

 

[Spitty_the_alpaca]

 

[BlueE]

T cells aren't the whole answer to creating herd immunity through vaccination is what I meant, which is what they're hoping for and the fastest way out of this. It's a bonus that a smaller percentage will have some long term T cell protection.

It won't surprise me though, if after we've all gone through the drama of the first shot and the second that we're hit with a direction to get another one when most of us are already exhausted and sick of it.

AZ injections never formed any T Cells at all in trials, so that's why can only think of it as temporary partial protection, with all the possible adverse events. I think that's why they suggest 3 months apart which wasn't tested (some trials going on now) to give possible protection for 6 months, but another roll of the dice for adverse events?

It's confusing, when the WHO changed it's definition of herd immunity to only be achieved with vaccines. One of the other manufacturers trials, from memory, showed helper T cells did develop.

 

[BlueE]

T cells activation to fight this coronavirus specifically looks the holy grail but my understanding is that those already with some T cell immunity varies widely across the world from 11% up and that if and when their T cells do reactivate, nobody really knows yet exactly how much protection it will give them against this covid. Maybe a little maybe a lot?

Covid-19: Do many people have pre-existing immunity?

It seemed a truth universally acknowledged that the human population had no pre-existing immunity to SARS-CoV-2, but is that actually the case? Peter Doshi explores the emerging research on immunological responses Even in local areas that have experienced some of the greatest rises in excess...

www.bmj.com

Thanks. Published Sept 2020, and I've read and lined here more since that showed higher (60 -80% in stored donor blood specimens), and another promising research.

I think it would be very interesting to test the WA population for T cell cross immunity.

Yet a stream of studies that have documented SARS-CoV-2 reactive T cells in people without exposure to the virus are raising questions about just how new the pandemic virus really is, with many implications.

At least six studies have reported T cell reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 in 20% to 50% of people with no known exposure to the virus. Though these studies are small and do not yet provide precise estimates of pre-existing immunological responses to SARS-CoV-2, they are hard to dismiss.

 

[BlueE]

And men with erectile dysfunction are 5 times more likely to get covid. Surely these stats just cancel each other out? Maybe instead of IVM and vaccines we just mandate a weekly trip to the strippers as a preventative health measure.

Florida research showed less testosterone and fewer swimmers in a limited sample of 12 subjects with COIVD, but the effect seemed temporary.

Can't be sure, because 4 men included in the trial were dead. The researchers hypothesised that the effect was from COVID spike proteins and COVID injections could cause the same, and a human study on male fertility and COVID injections is ongoing.

Zn should be getting promoted just on this information, and researched but I'm not aware of any studies.

 

[BlueE]

Didn't they get the memo to drop the PCR cycles to 28??

Quite a bit of splaning going on make this seem normal.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Kurve]

AZ injections never formed any T Cells at all in trials, so that's why can only think of it as temporary partial protection, with all the possible adverse events. I think that's why they suggest 3 months apart which wasn't tested (some trials going on now) to give possible protection for 6 months, but another roll of the dice for adverse events?

It's confusing, when the WHO changed it's definition of herd immunity to only be achieved with vaccines. One of the other manufacturers trials, from memory, showed helper T cells did develop.

Maybe they're just hoping to pull it up with a vaccination blitz that over the course of six to twelve months on antibodies and a small percentage of developed T cells, they can stop the thing from circulating. In the meantime, more studies will be done and hopefully they can come up with something better because the course we're on even with a heap of us willing to roll over and roll our sleeves up for the jab, out of this situation still looks a long way off.

 

[Kurve]

AZ injections never formed any T Cells at all in trials, so that's why can only think of it as temporary partial protection, with all the possible adverse events. I think that's why they suggest 3 months apart which wasn't tested (some trials going on now) to give possible protection for 6 months, but another roll of the dice for adverse events?

Are you sure about that? My reading actually has AZ in front of Pfizer for generating more T cells after the vaccination.

April 2021.

The AstraZeneca vaccine had a greater effect – with 31% of people developing T-cells against the spike protein compared with 12% of those who had the Pfizer jab. People who had the AstraZeneca shot also had a stronger cellular response.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...produces-strong-antibody-response-study-shows

 

[Kurve]

Would that be a new study of Anti malaria medication or bleach ?

Conspiracy theories eh ...

Some are better than others.

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[Kurve]

SAPOL today launch 'operation trace', rolling out thousands of plainclothes officers to monitor check-ins, QR codes, and sign-in sheets around the state. What a colossal waste of money. Absolute disgrace. We have wasted billions of covid, maybe use taxpayers funds a little smarter for a while. The incoming recession won't be much fun if you need to print billions more, Venezuala style, to fund your continued propaganda bullshit

SAPOL might be making a big advertised thing of it, meanwhile in Victoria it's a little more covert. Local footy clubs have been emailed about compliance with QR codes and they will be doing spot checks.

Signs have to go up everywhere and nobody gets in to the club rooms without checking in. I think that means, more than one QR check in across the grounds.

 

[BlueE]

Are you sure about that? My reading actually has AZ in front of Pfizer for generating more T cells after the vaccination.

April 2021.

The AstraZeneca vaccine had a greater effect – with 31% of people developing T-cells against the spike protein compared with 12% of those who had the Pfizer jab. People who had the AstraZeneca shot also had a stronger cellular response.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...produces-strong-antibody-response-study-shows

I can't see what he guardian article is quoting from, but looked back at what was published in Lancet and they do find helper T cells so sorry I got mixed up wit that. Does your up to date article say whether these developed into memory T Cells or were they temporary?

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Neutralising antibodies were generated in more than 90% of participants across different assays. Responses were sustained up to 56 days of observation.

The ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine induced a specific antibody response to the SARS-CoV-2 spike glycoprotein and RBD at 28 days after a single dose across all age groups, including adults aged 70 years and older. A clear effect of a boost vaccination on antibody titres at day 56 was seen that was unrelated to dose regimen or age group.

We found that spike-specific T-cell responses measured with ELISpot peaked at 14 days after the prime vaccination, consistent with previous studies of simian adenovirus-vectored vaccines.

Theoretical concerns about vaccine-enhanced disease have led to a view that a type 1 T-helper (Th1)-biased CD4 response is a preferred coronavirus vaccine characteristic.

An adjuvanted nanoparticle vaccine has been shown to induce spike-specific CD4 T-cell cytokine responses with a predominantly Th1 profile, as has an mRNA vaccine in small numbers of adults aged 56–70 years and 71 years and older. More detailed investigations of antigen-specific T-cell responses in our study participants are ongoing.

Notably, the anti-spike antibody responses in our study increased after a boost vaccination at an interval of 1 month but the neutralising anti-vector antibody responses did not.

Importantly other studies detected SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ∼40%–60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating “common cold” coronaviruses (OC43, HKU1, 229E and NL63), SARS-C0V1, MERS and SARS-CoV-2.

SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls - Nature

SARS-CoV-2-reactive T cells were found in individuals who had recovered from SARS or COVID-19 and in unexposed donors, although with different patterns of immunoreactivity.

www.nature.com

 

[Kurve]

I can't see what he guardian article is quoting from, but looked back at what was published in Lancet and they do find helper T cells so sorry I got mixed up wit that. Does your up to date article say whether these developed into memory T Cells or were they temporary?

I'm not as across this as I could be but in regard to covid are T cells developed at a cellular level and permanent?

Edit: Scratch that, I think it's incorrect. I can't find exactly which type of T cells were generated out of the vaccines. Yet.

 

[Run n Spread]

ffs! It really isn’t about our health and well-being is it?

No way is that legit. That is satire. Probably did it as a joke or out take and it got leaked

 

[Run n Spread]

One thing the covid hysterics can't answer directly is how long is a reasonable timeframe? Something I asked a year a go.
Vaccines still have positive cases and aren't proven to stop variants.
Lockdowns reappear after every case.
The rest of the ridiculous rules make no sense.
So how long can we keep this up?
Not till we get vaccinated or eradicate or everyone follows the rules
How much longer should this continue?
Another year, month or do we still continue this in 10 years?

 

[Hawk Dork]

One thing the covid hysterics can't answer directly is how long is a reasonable timeframe? Something I asked a year a go.
Vaccines still have positive cases and aren't proven to stop variants.
Lockdowns reappear after every case.
The rest of the ridiculous rules make no sense.
So how long can we keep this up?
Not till we get vaccinated or eradicate or everyone follows the rules
How much longer should this continue?
Another year, month or do we still continue this in 10 years?

We will know soon enough by watching what happens in Israel and the UK after their summer holidays

Next learning curve will be after the 3rd booster shot thats been tweaked for variants
We are still miles away from the first let alone the 3rd in Australia

But I think as soon as everyone gets the opportunity to be vaxed the doors bust open to vaxed arrivals ,its BAU unless TSHTF again...they are saying early 2022

 

[Run n Spread]

We will know soon enough by watching what happens in Israel and the UK after their summer holidays

Next learning curve will be after the 3rd booster shot thats been tweaked for variants
We are still miles away from the first let alone the 3rd in Australia

But I think as soon as everyone gets the opportunity to be vaxed the doors bust open to vaxed arrivals ,its BAU unless TSHTF again...they are saying early 2022

Soon enough?The details were coming through to health bodies Jan 2020. So we are nearly a year and a half in
This is time people don't get back.
Soon enough or till the vaccines (which may not work) doesn't cut it anymore.
We live with and have with far worse diseases and outbreaks yet have managed to carry on and let doctors, health bodies and the patients themselves (fancy that) decide the best outcome.
This bullshit overreach needs to stop now. No lockdowns no compulsory anything.
If you want to vaccinate mask or distance go for it.
The notion otherwise healthy people need to be restricted from spreading disease is non sensical bullshit nor should the rest of the world stop to appease hypochondriacs over this which is a type of collective mental breakdown from reality

 

[MrKK]

But I think as soon as everyone gets the opportunity to be vaxed the doors bust open to vaxed arrivals ,its BAU unless TSHTF again...they are saying early 2022

You are wildly optimistic here. BAU will mean local cases, some of which will lead to hospitalisation, and some of those people will die. The blame for that will be placed at the feet of whoever opened the borders, by Zero Covid idiots.

No government will risk that with a federal election due.

 

[Catfish Alley]

One thing the covid hysterics can't answer directly is how long is a reasonable timeframe? Something I asked a year a go.
Vaccines still have positive cases and aren't proven to stop variants.
Lockdowns reappear after every case.
The rest of the ridiculous rules make no sense.
So how long can we keep this up?
Not till we get vaccinated or eradicate or everyone follows the rules
How much longer should this continue?
Another year, month or do we still continue this in 10 years?

I'm gonna say it will go on as long as you keep rewarding politicians for it. They don't really have any incentive to try something different so they're happy to watch the rest of the world. If things don't work out well in comparable countries they'll argue they did the right thing. If things go well, they'll say they were just being cautious.

 

[Hawk Dork]

You are wildly optimistic here. BAU will mean local cases, some of which will lead to hospitalisation, and some of those people will die. The blame for that will be placed at the feet of whoever opened the borders, by Zero Covid idiots.

No government will risk that with a federal election due.

Death and hospitalisation are massively reduced by vax

We will have had a good look at the UK US and Israel before we do it

 

[Hawk Dork]

Soon enough?The details were coming through to health bodies Jan 2020. So we are nearly a year and a half in
This is time people don't get back.
Soon enough or till the vaccines (which may not work) doesn't cut it anymore.
We live with and have with far worse diseases and outbreaks yet have managed to carry on and let doctors, health bodies and the patients themselves (fancy that) decide the best outcome.
This bullshit overreach needs to stop now. No lockdowns no compulsory anything.
If you want to vaccinate mask or distance go for it.
The notion otherwise healthy people need to be restricted from spreading disease is non sensical bullshit nor should the rest of the world stop to appease hypochondriacs over this which is a type of collective mental breakdown from reality

Not taking it seriously is also a form of mental breakdown from reality.

 

[MrKK]

Death and hospitalisation are massively reduced by vax

We will have had a good look at the UK US and Israel before we do it

Yes, but they won't be reduced to nil. Do the government have the stomach to wear the ignorant but inevitable "blood on their hands" comments?

Also remember those countries have a mix of naturally acquired immunity and vaccination. We have hardly any of the former.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Yes, but they won't be reduced to nil. Do the government have the stomach to wear the ignorant but inevitable "blood on their hands" comments?

Also remember those countries have a mix of naturally acquired immunity and vaccination. We have hardly any of the former.

yes they will have too because politically the permanent lockdown will be more damaging.

natural immunity might have helped the anti vaxers in some countries it wont here

 

[Run n Spread]

Not taking it seriously is also a form of mental breakdown from reality.

You can take it seriously by assessing the data doing a risk assessment and creating sustainable policies in line with local conditions. You know like the bipartisan pandemic plan created 10 years a go and updated by late 2019 for a situation like this.
Not chucked out the window while everyone screams over one super variant that has the spreader gallivanting everywhere while everyone haz mats up like Fukushima. Or screaming about India who have 60% on less than a dollar a day a stuffed health system and death and disease rampent. Yet no one gave a shit till 3 months a go.
Whatever it's all identity politics virtue signalling and personal positioning and identity where no one can stand to be questioned on anything in life.
This is not about public health anymore.

 

[MrKK]

yes they will have too because politically the permanent lockdown will be more damaging.

natural immunity might have helped the anti vaxers in some countries it wont here

It will be a long time before that political damage comes to pass. 15 months creating fear has left a large number of vocal people happy to shut the world out forever if it keeps them safe from Covid.