Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[burge13]

In younger women, the contraceptive pill carries risk of blood clotting as well. I looked in to this pre-covid when one of my kids girlfriend's collapsed and I had to ring an ambulance for her, diagnosis clots in the lungs. I'd never heard of the connection between the pill and clots before, then it happened to another girl in the area. They were both still in their teens.

Blood clot risks: comparing the AstraZeneca vaccine and the contraceptive pill

The mechanisms behind vaccine-related and pill-related clots are quite different.

theconversation.com

One of those things is more important and necessary than the other so while they carry risk, it's a risk one can assume themselves. Rather than have it forced on them for "protection" from a virus that is no threat to them...

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

One of those things is more important and necessary than the other so while they carry risk, it's a risk one can assume themselves. Rather than have it forced on them for "protection" from a virus that is no threat to them...

Its also one of multiple options women can choose. If we are doing comparison its a bit like Scomo coming out and saying "We are banning abortion, the morning after pill and contraception, you must take the birth control pill if you dont want to get pregnant"

If AZ is comparable birth control, where is the morning after pill, the contraception and the treatment clinics I can use instead for Covid?

 

[M Malice]

FEAR pr0n. Look away now covid cheerleaders, this time it's serious. Your fears will be justified

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I didn't hear the whole report but I was listening to the radio this morning while driving and some Health buffoon was commenting on the 1 in 3 who refuse to get vaccinated and he was quite miffed, his suggestion was that people should be persuaded to have the vaccine by making being vaccinated a condition to participate in certain activities.. you need to "earn" the right to be part of society.

Sounds awfully like a social credit scheme.

The drums are beating louder and louder, nothing surer than coercion and not so subtle incentive will be used to up vaccine compliance.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

I didn't hear the whole report but I was listening to the radio this morning while driving and some Health buffoon was commenting on the 1 in 3 who refuse to get vaccinated and he was quite miffed, his suggestion was that people should be persuaded to have the vaccine by making being vaccinated a condition to participate in certain activities.. you need to "earn" the right to be part of society.

Sounds awfully like social credit scheme.

The drums are beating louder and louder, nothing surer than coercion and not so subtle incentive will be used to up vaccine compliance.

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It will be a cold day in hell before I get that jab.
https://www.aap.com.au/former-pfize...yvZU_Wy_lgpx4fm5dHOjb7z6jT1uelvggzQ85yHw3HqnU

 

[Hawk Dork]

Stunned to see you bring up Brazil.

not stunned to see you avoid a valid point

 

[burge13]

not stunned to see you avoid a valid point

You have quite literally never made a valid point regarding this issue

"OMG look at Brazil, it's so comparable to us". Moronic

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The issues are pure and simple for non vaccination. A lack of trust. The reason? The same people you are asking us to trust are the same people in court for intentionally killing people spanning decades for profit. Perhaps this is the core issue and not the individuals?

Im pretty sure if I created a restaurant and said "Yeah last chef we had had been serving rancid meat, 6 people died from food poisoning but I wont do that again so Welcome where would you like to sit". Id expect you wont stay and eat, so why in this case are you happy to exclude the previous actions, ignore it completely and walk into a new situation as if it didnt happen?

I tend to think if the US govt and co cancelled J&J, Pfizer and Moderna in the 90s when they should have, you wouldnt have the anti vaccination problems of today. In the end, doubting the murderers intention isnt a conspiracy. Its a fact of life

 

[Hawk Dork]

You have quite literally never made a valid point regarding this issue

"OMG look at Brazil, it's so comparable to us". Moronic

go back and see the context

and get back to me with I just want my freedums but not the same as other freedums, that failed but my imaginary Australian version that works in my head freedums

 

[burge13]

go back and see the context

and get back to me with I just want my freedums but not the same as other freedums, that failed but my imaginary Australian version that works in my head freedums

You've lost the plot. Seek help

 

[faible]

Vaccination programmes need people to be convinced of the benefits and satisfied the risks are low to have a large uptake.

Yes, quite accurate.

With the Covid vaccine we have neither of those conditions met

Partially accurate, there's an incredible amount of misinformation floating around about this particular one. Mostly from the anti-pandemic side it seems.

In the case of influenza, vaccines are largely ineffective, because they are based on guesswork.

Yes and no. The guesswork is picking which of the strains is likely to be the dominant one(s), not in the effectiveness of the vaccines against those strains.

I never would have thought

No, you wouldn't have, to the surprise of no one.

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The irony is you think you're a critical thinker yet post exclusively in internet memes.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Yes, quite accurate.



Partially accurate, there's an incredible amount of misinformation floating around about this particular one. Mostly from the anti-pandemic side it seems.



Yes and no. The guesswork is picking which of the strains is likely to be the dominant one(s), not in the effectiveness of the vaccines against those strains.



No, you wouldn't have, to the surprise of no one.



The irony is you think you're a critical thinker yet post exclusively in internet memes.

Partially accurate my ass. If it was in any way accurate it would be approved for use and not approved for emergency use only

The whole innocent until proven guilty isnt really a good burden of evidence when it comes to life altering decisions. Its why for example when the Boeing 737 started crashing all the time we didnt just keep flying them while they figured out why

 

[zill]

Yes and no. The guesswork is picking which of the strains is likely to be the dominant one(s), not in the effectiveness of the vaccines against those strains.

You must trust the science, even when it involves rolling a dice. You must also trust that everything is being done for your own safety, especially when profit motives actively prevent the rollout of the vaccine you have so much faith in.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I didn't hear the whole report but I was listening to the radio this morning while driving and some Health buffoon was commenting on the 1 in 3 who refuse to get vaccinated and he was quite miffed, his suggestion was that people should be persuaded to have the vaccine by making being vaccinated a condition to participate in certain activities.. you need to "earn" the right to be part of society.

Sounds awfully like a social credit scheme.

The drums are beating louder and louder, nothing surer than coercion and not so subtle incentive will be used to up vaccine compliance.

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I'd rather get a Maccas voucher, or a takeaway coffee from a nearby cafe, they could use the business probably.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You must trust the science, even when it involves rolling a dice. You must also trust that everything is being done for your own safety, especially when profit motives actively prevent the rollout of the vaccine you have so much faith in.

Everytime I want to be convinced of the necessity of using a product, I like to be told that the use of that product is to confirm a random guess. That way I feel the product I am using is tested, trusted and is one of immense value

 

[M Malice]

I'm a follower of the English Premier League and I noticed in the round of games overnight that crowds are back inside the grounds, by the look of it masks and social distancing required to attend.

 

[MrKK]

I'm a follower of the English Premier League and I noticed in the round of games overnight that crowds are back inside the grounds, by the look of it masks and social distancing required to attend.

I did chuckle that at the Saints game there were still folks leaving early, with only 25% of the usual crowd and after waiting 500 days to attend.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

FEAR pr0n. Look away now covid cheerleaders, this time it's serious. Your fears will be justified

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I wonder one in how many people would follow guidelines like, Eating healthy & exercising daily, As a health guideline during a pandemic, Ban alcohol, Cigarettes & fast food etc.

I wonder if coercion or mandated exercise for obese people was suggested as a rule for public health to keep everyone safe, No krispy Kreme's unless they follow the public health orders.

 

[faible]

Partially accurate my ass. If it was in any way accurate it would be approved for use and not approved for emergency use only

Nope, as usual you're wrong.

Its why for example when the Boeing 737 started crashing all the time we didnt just keep flying them while they figured out why

Well this is an interesting example. So you're saying that if something looks to potentially be dangerous, preventative action should be taken while more information is gathered?

Sort of like how places have preemptively locked down or required masks or QR code check-ins while they conduct more testing?

You must trust the science, even when it involves rolling a dice. You must also trust that everything is being done for your own safety, especially when profit motives actively prevent the rollout of the vaccine you have so much faith in.

What a bizarre line of reasoning you're running with here. Where's the relevance? Or are you just wanting to go off on a rant about something different?

 

[Fwoy]

Slow hands to no hands?

Eric Clapton hits out at 'propaganda' over vaccine safety

The legendary guitarist Eric Clapton, a lockdown sceptic, said his hands and feet became 'useless' - prompting fears he would never play again.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Nope, as usual you're wrong.



Well this is an interesting example. So you're saying that if something looks to potentially be dangerous, preventative action should be taken while more information is gathered?

Sort of like how places have preemptively locked down or required masks or QR code check-ins while they conduct more testing?



What a bizarre line of reasoning you're running with here. Where's the relevance? Or are you just wanting to go off on a rant about something different?

I was actually in favour of the March 2020 lockdown. Just not the March 2021 one. They had plenty of time to take preventative action, gain resources, create treatment options and facilities to treat, make resourcing changes and then allow everyone to move on with there lives. Instead they did nothing but pander to fear by setting unrealistic targets at the expense of everything else.

 

[faible]

They had plenty of time to take preventative action, gain resources, create treatment options and facilities to treat, make resourcing changes and then allow everyone to move on with there lives. Instead they did nothing

On this we very much agree.

For all the time they've now had, it seems they've done very little to actually learn and prepare.

VIC has only just mandated everywhere needs to use the Government QR code app, about 9 months after NSW was doing it. And about 12 months after the Federal Government app could have been setup as a single one nationwide to simply the whole thing.

Hotel Quarantine has now had 12 months where we've seen time and time again that bundling people in to high-rise city hotels is a bad plan, whilst we could easily have knocked up a heap of Howard Springs-esque faciltiies to handle incoming passengers without all the stuff ups.

The Vaccine roll-out has been very haphazard, pushing responsibility on to organisations that have no experience with actually rolling out vaccines instead of relying on the networks that usually does the annual flu vaccine which actually know what they're doing.

The Federal Government has offered appalling leadership, and the State Governments (e.g. McGowan) have used the whole thing to very good political effect.

 

[giggler99]

I didn't hear the whole report but I was listening to the radio this morning while driving and some Health buffoon was commenting on the 1 in 3 who refuse to get vaccinated and he was quite miffed, his suggestion was that people should be persuaded to have the vaccine by making being vaccinated a condition to participate in certain activities.. you need to "earn" the right to be part of society.

Sounds awfully like a social credit scheme.

The drums are beating louder and louder, nothing surer than coercion and not so subtle incentive will be used to up vaccine compliance.

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Getting pretty sick of these so called medical/infectious disease experts, immunologist etc... popping their heads on our TV and voices on our radios getting their 15 mins of fame to tell us how scared we should all be. These medical personnel only make decisions on statistics and charts because well.. that's what they do all day look at stats and charts and make probability predictions. They don't take into account emotional and societal repercussions. To be fair its not their job to do this that's governments job on behalf of their statistical advice. But it seems for some they want to put themselves front and centre and dictate the world i.e Fauci style. like "Mr. God" gives them all a divine right to play with our lives now. If it was all up to these Health experts to make decisions we will be locked up forever or until the entire world is vaccinated (which is pretty much impossible) because they see the world only how it should look on paper through a chart not how it looks in reality.

The media love it through because they know the people will buy into to scare tactics these medical people promote no matter how unintentional as it may seem to them. The media will always hype up the scare tactic like they've done the past 14 months because it keeps them relevant on the matter.

In other words take what ever they say with a pinch of salt.

 

[zill]

What a bizarre line of reasoning you're running with here. Where's the relevance? Or are you just wanting to go off on a rant about something different?

You're the one who claimed flu vax was effective. Only problem is the vax they give is based on guesswork, so it can't be that effective when these scientists are basically throwing a dart blindfolded at a list of viruses.

You also brought up the polio vaccine, and the inventor of that never patented it, unlike the covid vaccine where bill gates has gone out of his way to make sure he wrings every last dollar of profit out of it, to the point of suppressing its availability.

 

[faible]

You're the one who claimed flu vax was effective. Only problem is the vax they give is based on guesswork, so it can't be that effective when these scientists are basically throwing a dart blindfolded at a list of viruses.

No, I said the guesswork was about which of the flu variants floating around will be the major ones for that flu season. A guess they usually get more right than wrong. The vaccine itself is generally effective against the variants it's designed to be used against.

So no, they're not randomly throwing a dart.

You also brought up the polio vaccine, and the inventor of that never patented it, unlike the covid vaccine where bill gates has gone out of his way to make sure he wrings every last dollar of profit out of it, to the point of suppressing its availability.

Ah yes, Bill Gates is controlling every coronavirus vaccine created etc.. etc..

 

[zill]

Getting pretty sick of these so called medical/infectious disease experts, immunologist etc... popping their heads on our TV and voices on our radios getting their 15 mins of fame to tell us how scared we should all be

I just heard on the radio one of these experts talking about vaccine hesitancy, and how the media was responsible because they've been peddling fear relating to the side effects like blood clots. Never mind that in australia you are much more likely to die or be hospitalised due to the vaccine as opposed to the actual virus