Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

Thoughts on COVID-19? (Choose 2 options)

  • It's a naturally occurring virus

    Votes: 15 20.3%

  • It came from a Chinese laboratory

    Votes: 31 41.9%

  • It came from a US/other laboratory

    Votes: 5 6.8%

  • It's dangerous and harsh restrictions are necessary

    Votes: 19 25.7%

  • It's not dangerous enough to warrant harsh restrictions

    Votes: 22 29.7%

  • It's basically another flu, so restrictions are silly

    Votes: 14 18.9%
  • Total voters
    74

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BlueE said:
Correlation is not causation as I've repeatedly said with the graphs. However you say you've debunked that COVID injections have nothing to do with the exponentially increasing number of cases and deaths because this is all related to winter. That is not even correlated and blatantly false.

Seychelles and Gibraltar provide uncomplicated examples because both have high injection rates and they never had one death (or hardly any cases), before the introduction of the injection, but there are 10 or 20 other countries, including UK and Israel that show exponentially increasing cases and deaths correlated with the introduction of

There is research that has been posted on here that supports this correlation as does the Pfizer .pdf for emergency use authorisation.

Still waiting along with many world wide experts as you've said you've definitely debunked this.
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SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome - PubMed

Prolonged SARS-CoV-2 RNA shedding and recurrence of PCR-positive tests have been widely reported in patients after recovery, yet these patients most commonly are non-infectious. Here we investigated the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human...
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Correlation now only found in Gibraltar and Seychelles is NOT causation when the correlation fails everywhere else.
 
BlueE said:
Correlation is not causation as I've repeatedly said with the graphs. However you say you've debunked that COVID injections have nothing to do with the exponentially increasing number of cases and deaths because this is all related to winter. That is not even correlated and blatantly false.

Seychelles and Gibraltar provide uncomplicated examples because both have high injection rates and they never had one death (or hardly any cases), before the introduction of the injection, but there are 10 or 20 other countries, including UK and Israel that show exponentially increasing cases and deaths correlated with the introduction of

There is research that has been posted on here that supports this correlation as does the Pfizer .pdf for emergency use authorisation.

Still waiting along with many world wide experts as you've said you've definitely debunked this.
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pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome - PubMed

Prolonged SARS-CoV-2 RNA shedding and recurrence of PCR-positive tests have been widely reported in patients after recovery, yet these patients most commonly are non-infectious. Here we investigated the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human...
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you provided a similar paper before and this is no different - it’s based on virus shedding due to WHOLE virus. The Vaccines don’t contain the WHOLE Virus,
PERMANENT Genetic changes due to Vaccination are not even considered or speculated as possible.
 
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BlueE said:
First adenovector injection ever approved for humans and first used in July 2020. Found to have high numbers of "false positive" HIV. Same as J&J and the Queensland COVID injection candidate that was withdrawn because of high numbers of HIV "false positives" in test subjects.

One explanation is that it really is HIV, and caused by immune attacks of the injection on the subject (Human Immunodeficiency Virus). Called "false positive" because it doesn't lead to AIDS which as some including Kary Mullis, suggest neither does HIV?

But as I say most of the information I got when I first posted on the ebola injection months ago is now scrubbed, so I appreciate if you post links to what you found.

Withdrawal of Qland COID injection.
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Australia cancels COVID vaccine trial over ‘unexpected’ false positives for HIV – NaturalNews.com

The Australian government has canceled further development of a COVID-19 vaccine after several trial participants had false positive tests for HIV. The vaccine was being developed by the University of Queensland, while Australian biotech company CSL Limited had been under contract to provide 51...
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The Qld Vaccine produced HIV positive results because the antigen protein was designed with part of the HIV virus fused to it, to enhance efficacy.
 

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LionsOrDieTrion said:
If they made sleeping with mouthguards mandatory because of the threat of a rogue tooth fairy stealing people's teeth at night, would that be ok? This is effectively the same thing. People have their foundations wrong. Germ theory is wrong, terrain theory is correct. You CANNOT transmit a virus as a virus is not living, does not have a respiratory system. Your body creates a virus/solvent to remove toxins from the body. Getting sick is a good thing if you require a detox.
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Makes sense. I read further and it's a combination.
You're right in the sense you can't "catch a virus" they are not alive. They can not leap across corridors for example.
What happens is you are exposed to a pathegon bacterial agent or virus and you become ill if your immunity is down.
That's why this mutating super strain is misplaced. What they are finding is virus with similar structure.
Take a piece of fruit and leave it out for a few days. It will grow fungus in the right condition. If I do the same in my suburb it will grow similar. Now under a microscope they will share similar properties but doesn't mean they've kept across suburbs only they are similar. We are exposed every day to these viruses bacteria etc. What matters is who gets sick not what shows on a test.
The "science" is being abused and applied incorrectly
 
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Run n Spread said:
Makes sense. I read further and it's a combination.
You're right in the sense you can't "catch a virus" they are not alive. They can not leap across corridors for example.
What happens is you are exposed to a pathegon bacterial agent or virus and you become ill if your immunity is down.
That's why this mutating super strain is misplaced. What they are finding is virus with similar structure.
Take a piece of fruit and leave it out for a few days. It will grow fungus in the right condition. If I do the same in my suburb it will grow similar. Now under a microscope they will share similar properties but doesn't mean they've kept across suburbs only they are similar. We are exposed every day to these viruses bacteria etc. What matters is who gets sick not what shows on a test.
The "science" is being abused and applied incorrectly
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I’m sure you’ve caught a cold from a sick person at least once in your life.
So testing finds infected people, they are isolated and or treated to stop the spread.
I have no idea why you are challenging this well established fact.
 
No SPIN said:
I’m sure you’ve caught a cold from a sick person at least once in your life.
So testing finds infected people, they are isolated and or treated to stop the spread.
I have no idea why you are challenging this well established fact.
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In the sense we've both been exposed to a similar bacteria and had an immune response. And colds tend to thrive in cold damp conditions.
But millions would be exposed in winter and not everyone gets sick.
I'm not challenging fact I'm commenting on the post about germ vs terrain theory.
Also viruses are not alive. That is fact.
The notion they jump corridors or you can catch it off a jogger running past is nonesence and not fact at all
 

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Run n Spread said:
In the sense we've both been exposed to a similar bacteria and had an immune response. And colds tend to thrive in cold damp conditions.
But millions would be exposed in winter and not everyone gets sick.
I'm not challenging fact I'm commenting on the post about germ vs terrain theory.
Also viruses are not alive. That is fact.
The notion they jump corridors or you can catch it off a jogger running past is nonesence and not fact at all
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Viruses are alive - but don’t last long outside the body.
For example, Summer does not produce many Flu type diseases because the higher UV and heat kills winter viruses quickly, they need cool cold conditions to survive.
You absolutely can catch virus via the airborne route, that is well established, and will be one method by which you have caught a cold from a friend in the past.

As to the Germ v Terrain theory - it’s chicken or the egg.
Exposure to the same pathogen will not cause disease in a healthy body but produce illness in the unhealthy person.
 
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No SPIN said:
we did the same in Vic spending $1.4 bill on 4,000 ICU beds - it was completely understandable at the start of COVID to prepare for the worst, given death rates of 7% in Italy at the time.
Its a bit rich for people to now be critical in hindsight about the money spent.
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Yet Dr Walter Riccardi told The Telegraph newspaper, after analysing cases the real number of deaths from Covid was 12%, 88% had serious health issues.
Are the Goverment making expensive decisions from fear pieces in MSM.
 
No SPIN said:
we did the same in Vic spending $1.4 bill on 4,000 ICU beds - it was completely understandable at the start of COVID to prepare for the worst, given death rates of 7% in Italy at the time.
Its a bit rich for people to now be critical in hindsight about the money spent.
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Great that the money was spent, but if it's there and ready to go, why the hysterical overreacting? If the hospital system can handle it, shouldn't we be having sensible decisions, not lockdowns every time?
 
Steele13 said:
Great that the money was spent, but if it's there and ready to go, why the hysterical overreacting? If the hospital system can handle it, shouldn't we be having sensible decisions, not lockdowns every time?
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Absolutely- my post was referring to decisions made in March 2020.
COVID thankfully turned out to be far less severe or fatal than projected.

Andrew’s would have laughed his head off, if told in March 2020, that he would still have the state locked down in November, with less than 100 ICU beds in use.

Sadly Vic doesn’t have the pragmatism of the NSW Premier.
 
No SPIN said:
Absolutely- my post was referring to decisions made in March 2020.
COVID thankfully turned out to be far less severe or fatal than projected.

Andrew’s would have laughed his head off, if told in March 2020, that he would still have the state locked down in November, with less than 100 ICU beds in use.

Sadly Vic doesn’t have the pragmatism of the NSW Premier.
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This is one of the most frustrating things. We can handle this, we could have hundreds of cases a day, with sensible proportional policy, and still have a normal functioning society. How, after so long, this is still the best option is mind boggling
 
Over a billion doses of Ivermectin prescribed worldwide, long proven safety data for adverse reactions, no patent so anyone can make it.
Yet if it was used as a preventative for Covid , pharmaceutical companies wouldn't have got emergency authorisation for vaccines.
Millions have died, who should pay for this criminal act on humanity?

 
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