Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP) Part 5

[Chief]

Continued in Part 6:

Health - Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP) Part 6

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[jatz14]

What happened to requiring a negative test before embarking, AT LEAST, or preferably vaccination?

My house, my rules. They can stop you getting on an airplane if your not vaccinated, like they can stop you if your to drunk, obnoxious, on a wanted list etc. There are always conditions for travel, and requiring people to show vaccination before boarding a plane is one thing, but just carte blanche stopping people returning is something else.

 

[Evolved1]

So because we can’t stop all deaths we shouldn’t bother stopping any deaths?

is this an anti vaxx take?

I'm pro-vaccine.

I'm saying there has to come a point when everyone has been offered the vaccine, made their choice, and we move beyond the temporary measures that are currently in place.

I see lockdowns as a temporary measure. There's no excuse to continue with lockdowns or close international borders after people have made their choice.

 

[Chief]

There will be casualties with whatever path we choose. It's unethical to expect the vast majority to stop living life to protect the few.

I disagree. I don’t think hundreds of thousands of deaths are “a few”.

 

[Harro59]

I'm pro-vaccine.

I'm saying there has to come a point when everyone has been offered the vaccine, made their choice, and we move beyond the temporary measures that are currently in place.

I see lockdowns as a temporary measure. There's no excuse to continue with lockdowns or close international borders after people have made their choice.

You can't possibly be saying that people are making there own choices and therefore responsible for there own health and wellness?

My word, that's crazy. Next you'll start asking people to use common sense.

 

[jatz14]

Actually, latest research indicates true case numbers are 6.2 times higher than recorded cases.

177.4 million x 6.2 = 1.1 billion actual cases.

3.8 million deaths of 1.1 billion cases = you guessed it - 0.034% FR

99.66% survival rate.

So your saying, I'm 6x less likely to die if I catch it, than official figures show, but 6 x as likely to catch it? Great, I guess??

Guess you barracking for the lockdowns then, given you seem to be saying its a shitload more contagious than thought?

And, 3.8 million of 1.1 billion is 0.34% not 0.034%

 

[phantom13]

I'm pro-vaccine.

I'm saying there has to come a point when everyone has been offered the vaccine, made their choice, and we move beyond the temporary measures that are currently in place.

I see lockdowns as a temporary measure. There's no excuse to continue with lockdowns or close international borders after people have made their choice.

That’s fair. Didn’t read that way.

 

[phantom13]

You can't possibly be saying that people are making there own choices and therefore responsible for there own health and wellness?

My word, that's crazy. Next you'll start asking people to use common sense.

We’re also in some way responsible for others health and well-being too.

why get any vaccine, you’re probably not gonna die from most of the stuff you get a shot for but you still do it, this isn’t any different really.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Not to underestimate anyone's intelligence on this, but we do get that we have to get vaccinated every year?

Two vaccinations every year indefinitely.

 

[Evolved1]

I disagree. I don’t think hundreds of thousands of deaths are “a few”.

Do you have evidence that hundreds of thousands can't take the vaccine for medical reasons?

 

[Deliverance]

So your saying, I'm 6x less likely to die if I catch it, than official figures show, but 6 x as likely to catch it? Great, I guess??

Guess you barracking for the lockdowns then, given you seem to be saying its a shitload more contagious than thought?

And, 3.8 million of 1.1 billion is 0.34% not 0.034%

Whoops, didn't meant to have that % symbol there. But yes the point remains, the virus is much less deadly than your spurious claims.
Of course it's more contagious than the average person realises, it's part of the same family that causes the common cold. The average adult has 4+ colds per year.
I think you'll find many here will verify, I am definitely not pro lockdown.

 

[Over The Post]

Earlier today.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

You're going down a slippery slope there imo.

If an anti-vaxxer catches covid without passing it on to anyone, should they be forced to pay for their own medical care?

Yep.

Reason being that had they been vaccinated they are unlikely to develop symptoms that would require medical care.

Plus the benefits to the greater public in their reduced viral load.

 

[phantom13]

Not to underestimate anyone's intelligence on this, but we do get that we have to get vaccinated every year?

Two vaccinations every year indefinitely.

It’s likely to be one as a booster every year and a lot of people do it now foe the flu.

 

[King Elvis]

Do you have evidence that hundreds of thousands can't take the vaccine for medical reasons?

Great question

Not to underestimate anyone's intelligence on this, but we do get that we have to get vaccinated every year?

Two vaccinations every year indefinitely.

Except this rhetoric is in contradiction to numerous studies showing immunity from an infection/vaccine is long lasting - so not sure why it has any traction.


This is interesting.

Measuring excess mortality in Australia during the COVID-19 pandemic

Provisional deaths data for measuring changes in patterns of mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic and recovery period.

www.abs.gov.au

 

[King Elvis]

Earlier today.

I've watched his videos every day for over 12 months now - the best unbiased source of information available. Was one of the first to recommend Vitamin D due to clear data that deficiency was a factor in serious infections, and continued to stick with it while it wasn't being highlighted by many other sources.

He was reluctant to get onboard with Ivermectin etc early on in the piece, but he's changed his position as more information has become available.

If anybody can watch that, and bother to read studies relating to ivermectin, and then claim that we shouldn't be using it - then they're insane.

Seriously, I say this with complete sincerity - those arguing against ivermectin, watch that and then tell us why it isn't a viable option.

 

[Xtreme]

You cannot possibly know that. It only took one infected person to start an outbreak that killed 900 Victorians last year.

And yes Daniel Andrews has a lot to answer for killing those Victorians! The blood is on his hands (if he could recall that is).

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

And yes Daniel Andrews has a lot to answer for killing those Victorians! The blood is on his hands (if he could recall that is).

Different argument. Wrong thread.

 

[Xtreme]

Different argument. Wrong thread.

I'll NEVER get the COVID vaccine (unless ScottMo throws a 100" tv my way), just to spite the internet saviours

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Great to see this thread overtaken by anti vaxxers.

Deadset all the carry on like you are all qualified scientists.

They know far more than you do. Quit pretending otherwise. They aren’t in the business of aiming to get vaccinated the entire world or close to by poisoning everybody. The idea that they haven’t undergone the most stringent of processes to develop and put out these vaccines is batshit crazy.

You anti Covid vaccine types are out of your minds. You want to rant about lockdowns, the cost to the economy etc. Have you ever stopped to consider how catastrophic to the world it would be if the vaccines were to seriously harm everyone?

Don’t get vaccinated. Nobody cares. You’ll all be left behind while everyone else gets vaccinated and the stragglers come to their senses once they realise they won’t get into countries otherwise.

The government sucks on the lack of clear path to moving on with things. But they are also worried about being held to words with an election coming out. Typical political bullshit. Spin, spin, spin.

If you want to sit here and pretend the world will just move on without people being vaccinated if we all overthrow the government Lenin style, good ******* luck to you honestly. Bang on about your stupid death rate percentages you quote and your pseudoscience. I ******* hate lockdowns and Covid. Doesn’t mean this thing isn’t incredibly catastrophic if we all pretend it goes away. The economic damage that can be attributed to even losing just 1% of a population is massive. Stop pretending millions of people dying even with heaps of restrictions to prevent it doesn’t matter.

All because you clearly cannot grasp the concepts of mass vaccination and the ridiculously low risk of these vaccines harming you.

So what powers do you have because you sure as hell can't go to the snow hahahahahaha make sure you get a negative pcr test even if your vacced.

So please tell me again why i should bother getting the vaccine because you can't leave the country, can't go to the snow, hell the government can't make any promises lockdowns will end even with 70% adults juiced up, juiced up still wear a mask etc etc again why should i bother.

And if that means i'm a covid anti-vaxxer then so what, actually i'm proud of it because it means i haven't been brainwashed into doing something just because a corrupt self serving government who don't give two shits about you wants me too.

If i get the vaccine i want to be on my terms and for all the right reasons and not because some up start punk says i should.

Covid anti vaxxer out.

 

[BFew]

Seriously, I say this with complete sincerity - those arguing against ivermectin, watch that and then tell us why it isn't a viable option.

I envisage that one of the 'health expert' concerns against supporting/approving something like ivermectin in Australia, would be something like that if people think or perceive that there is, or there will likely be soon enough, a readily available and not too expensive, credible treatment or preventative medication for COVID-19, that they will be less likely to get vaccinated, more inclined to defer getting vaccinated, and/or more likely to not behave so COVID safely. All of which could lead to more and more severe COVID outbreaks in Australia, and lengthening the time it might take to reach herd immunity, or put the desired/potential level of herd immunity out of reach.

 

[burge13]

I envisage that one of the 'health expert' concerns against supporting/approving something like ivermectin in Australia, would be something like that if people think or perceive that there is, or there will likely be soon enough, a readily available and not too expensive, credible treatment or preventative medication for COVID-19, that they will be less likely to get vaccinated, more inclined to defer getting vaccinated, and/or more likely to not behave so COVID safely. All of which could lead to more and more severe COVID outbreaks in Australia, and lengthening the time it might take to reach herd immunity, or put the desired/potential level of herd immunity out of reach.

If something only really harms a select % of the population why isnt a treatment the option for those people rather than expecting everyone get vaccinated for something that in all likelihood wont even effect them? Genuine question here because if vaccines are your silver bullet, youre stuffed. Especially with our idiotic zero covid idea

Why not just treat the few rather than try in vein to prevent the masses?

 

[Over The Post]

I envisage that one of the 'health expert' concerns against supporting/approving something like ivermectin in Australia

Agree with all your points. Also difficulty proving you've had it - a jab is pretty black and white, giving you some tablets to take over a few days lends itself to abuse. And cheap pricks like me visiting Horseland for a $17 tube to carefully self-administer will be left out in the cold. Plus the idiots not doing the maths and overdosing themselves and having a toxic reaction thus leading to more screaming headlines and fear pr0n.

 

[Kurve]

Seriously, I say this with complete sincerity - those arguing against ivermectin, watch that and then tell us why it isn't a viable option.

It's only the trials that are holding it up but it will be great if it goes through and passes, particularly as an early treatment. The numbers look good but I'm not sure it could in terms of convenience, cost, supply and distribution, replace vaccines any time soon. Maybe down the track a bit.

 

[Gigantic]

Household contact of today's earlier case.

 

[rdhopkins2]

Commiserations to our NSW friends dealing with hopefully only a small number of cases.