Health Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP)

[Chief]

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[MarcMaverick]

I don't think any rational human being would be able to cope with this for six months. Six is way too long.
And if you have mental problems like anxiety or depression or anything for that matter and this forces you to into suicide because you can't go to the beach,pub,gym or to visit your friends well unfortunately that will be the collateral for the fear-mongering driven government.

Watch, the amount of people killing themselves world-wide will dwarf anything that the Corona-virus would do.

I'm sorry for my morose ranting and rambling on, but its ridiculous that the government imposes these restrictions for this long. I also think people we getting rather sick of the message that "people will die" from Dan Andrews and the like, and was being hammered into their heads to the point that the message was like a little kid grabbing a bucket of water to put out a fire and saying " I'm helping".

And fining people a ridiculous amount, shows that even in these times the government is still wanting to fill its coffers as punishment for the most stupid of reasons.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

People do realise that were markets are not limited to China or automatically a source of disease right?

Saars was from China

 

[Richard Pryor]

I don't think any rational human being would be able to cope with this for six months. Six is way too long.
And if you have mental problems like anxiety or depression or anything for that matter and this forces you to into suicide because you can't go to the beach,pub,gym or to visit your friends well unfortunately that will be the collateral for the fear-mongering driven government.

Watch, the amount of people killing themselves world-wide will dwarf anything that the Corona-virus would do.

I'm sorry for my morose ranting and rambling on, but its ridiculous that the government imposes these restrictions for this long. I also think people we getting rather sick of the message that "people will die" from Dan Andrews and the like, and was being hammered into their heads to the point that the message was like a little kid grabbing a bucket of water to put out a fire and saying " I'm helping".

And fining people a ridiculous amount, shows that even in these times the government is still wanting to fill its coffers as punishment for the most stupid of reasons.

Ok, fair enough you've identified a major problem with this approach. What is your solution? Do nothing? Cure the coronavirus with the gym?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

I don't think any rational human being would be able to cope with this for six months. Six is way too long.
And if you have mental problems like anxiety or depression or anything for that matter and this forces you to into suicide because you can't go to the beach,pub,gym or to visit your friends well unfortunately that will be the collateral for the fear-mongering driven government.

Watch, the amount of people killing themselves world-wide will dwarf anything that the Corona-virus would do.

I'm sorry for my morose ranting and rambling on, but its ridiculous that the government imposes these restrictions for this long. I also think people we getting rather sick of the message that "people will die" from Dan Andrews and the like, and was being hammered into their heads to the point that the message was like a little kid grabbing a bucket of water to put out a fire and saying " I'm helping".

And fining people a ridiculous amount, shows that even in these times the government is still wanting to fill its coffers as punishment for the most stupid of reasons.

Don't think it will last six months i'm going with 3 months (i hope)

Agree with hearing how many people will die every day. I'm glad there has been some progress getting made hopefully it continues.

 

[Yidaki]

I don't think any rational human being would be able to cope with this for six months. Six is way too long.
And if you have mental problems like anxiety or depression or anything for that matter and this forces you to into suicide because you can't go to the beach,pub,gym or to visit your friends well unfortunately that will be the collateral for the fear-mongering driven government.

Watch, the amount of people killing themselves world-wide will dwarf anything that the Corona-virus would do.

I'm sorry for my morose ranting and rambling on, but its ridiculous that the government imposes these restrictions for this long. I also think people we getting rather sick of the message that "people will die" from Dan Andrews and the like, and was being hammered into their heads to the point that the message was like a little kid grabbing a bucket of water to put out a fire and saying " I'm helping".

And fining people a ridiculous amount, shows that even in these times the government is still wanting to fill its coffers as punishment for the most stupid of reasons.

How else are they supposed to enforce the law? There needs to be a consequence at the moment. Without one people will continue to ignore the important restrictions that are in place.

We wont be in this partial lockdown for six months. No country could survive it. So at the maximum I reckon it will be around 3 months of tight restrictions. After this it will be eased, but we will still have some rules in place because the virus will still be around. The six month plan is to give our medical system time to prepare.

 

[Gralin]

I don't think any rational human being would be able to cope with this for six months. Six is way too long.
And if you have mental problems like anxiety or depression or anything for that matter and this forces you to into suicide because you can't go to the beach,pub,gym or to visit your friends well unfortunately that will be the collateral for the fear-mongering driven government.

Watch, the amount of people killing themselves world-wide will dwarf anything that the Corona-virus would do.

I'm sorry for my morose ranting and rambling on, but its ridiculous that the government imposes these restrictions for this long. I also think people we getting rather sick of the message that "people will die" from Dan Andrews and the like, and was being hammered into their heads to the point that the message was like a little kid grabbing a bucket of water to put out a fire and saying " I'm helping".

And fining people a ridiculous amount, shows that even in these times the government is still wanting to fill its coffers as punishment for the most stupid of reasons.

I know that video chats and talking with friends is not the same as face to face and that lack of physical contact can be very isolating.

There is no doubt that people are going to be doing it very tough, I've got friends that are struggling. You try to engage them and talk to them and let them know you care but you can't go give them a hug which sucks.

There is no easy answer to this. People are going to die no matter what governments do, how many and from what cause is the difference. Who knows if this will lead to less overall deaths, some of the models from infection and overwhelmed health systems are pretty stark

When they are talking about the risk of 5% of the population dying then you can understand why they will look at measure that could put other vulnerable groups that are smaller at risk.

It's not what you want to see but if you know you can't save everyone then you make choices about who you save and how. You've just got to hope they are making the right choices.

Saars was from China

And MERS wasn't and Ebola wasn't and Swine flu wasn't.
And wet markets are not the issue overall. The type of wet market is.

 

[BACCS]

Don't think it will last six months i'm going with 3 months (i hope)

Agree with hearing how many people will die every day. I'm glad there has been some progress getting made hopefully it continues.

I reckon the really heavy restrictions are over by the end of May (ie open up pubs, restaurants, cinemas etc), but will still be a ban on crowds over 500 outside and 100 inside for at least another 3 months after.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Maybe short term, doesn’t make much sense to do it when the pandemic is over. Maybe a bit more vigilant on testing people who seem visibly sick though

Sure, like all the changes brought in after 9/11.

So what a people estimates on how long this will last?

Your Prime Minister just told you it will be at least six months (in other words, longer than six months) and you have seen the responses in this thread.

People are so scared right now that they are going to accept these measures for as long as the governments of the world want them in place.

Of course, the government loves its people, so I'm sure our freedoms will return as soon as the War on Germs is over.

 

[Gralin]

I don't think any rational human being would be able to cope with this for six months. Six is way too long.
And if you have mental problems like anxiety or depression or anything for that matter and this forces you to into suicide because you can't go to the beach,pub,gym or to visit your friends well unfortunately that will be the collateral for the fear-mongering driven government.

Watch, the amount of people killing themselves world-wide will dwarf anything that the Corona-virus would do.

I'm sorry for my morose ranting and rambling on, but its ridiculous that the government imposes these restrictions for this long. I also think people we getting rather sick of the message that "people will die" from Dan Andrews and the like, and was being hammered into their heads to the point that the message was like a little kid grabbing a bucket of water to put out a fire and saying " I'm helping".

And fining people a ridiculous amount, shows that even in these times the government is still wanting to fill its coffers as punishment for the most stupid of reasons.

Get your support networks in place. I know the government has out more money into mental health (not enough, ****ers still cut a bunch of services kicking in over the next few months that they haven't reinstated)
But the mental toll is definitely being looked at.
The wage subsidy isn't just about the economy. It's about saving lives for people even if it's not being promoted that way.

Call the lifelines, reach out to friend, check on them, ask for help, whatever you need or they need.

Make sure your family is ok, if your work offers counseling use it if you need it.

Do what you can to stay connected during this period.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Sure, like all the changes brought in after 9/11.

Your Prime Minister just told you it will be at least six months (in other words, longer than six months) and you have seen the responses in this thread.

People are so scared right now that they are going to accept these measures for as long as the governments of the world want them in place.

Of course, the government loves its people, so I'm sure our freedoms will return as soon as the War on Germs is over.

I know the PM said at least six months just wanted to know if people share the same view.

 

[Sylvia Saint]

Let's assume we do flatten the curve, shit could still hit the fan here but so far the signs are promising. Anyway if we do flatten it, presumably the restrictions will be lifted in close to the reverse order to which they were implemented. 3-6 months until you can see your mates in public again or go out for a feed. Don't think we'll be seeing people in stadiums in 2020 or foreigners coming in for at least 12-18 months.

Also those estimations are optimistic.

 

[Forward Press]

Of course people's mental health will be impacted and it seems inevitable suicide rates will climb. The government in its last raft of stimulus promised a whole heap of money for mental health services.

It's not an easy job because they will have to balance human lives (both lost from coronavirus, and from mental health related reasons) with economic and social damage. People will die each way. But surely coronavirus takes precedence at this point in time and it would be unthinkable for a government to decide to let it run its course and result in the needless deaths of tens of thousands, at least, in Australia alone.

Watch, the amount of people killing themselves world-wide will dwarf anything that the Corona-virus would do.

10,000 have already died in Italy, and it keeps climbing. In a quick Google search, recently 4500 died in a year in Italy from suicide. Maybe I'd hold back on that fear-mongering rhetoric too that completely downplays how lethal COVID-19 can be...

http://origin.who.int/mental_health/suicide-prevention/country-profiles/ITA.pdf

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Of course people's mental health will be impacted and it seems inevitable suicide rates will climb. The government in its last raft of stimulus promised a whole heap of money for mental health services.

It's not an easy job because they will have to balance human lives (both lost from coronavirus, and from mental health related reasons) with economic and social damage. People will die each way. But surely coronavirus takes precedence at this point in time and it would be unthinkable for a government to decide to let it run its course and result in the needless deaths of tens of thousand, at least, in Australia alone.

I feel like Australia is doing ok don't think it will get to Italy/US levels

 

[PP34]

Yes it is very understandable, but it's just a bit hard to swallow how much they are celebrating no community spread when they aren't really testing community spread. They can definitely say that overseas importing of the disease has been controlled, and that's great, but I just don't think it's accurate to say that community spread isn't happening conclusively yet. This type of conclusion over-extrapolating on incomplete data erodes trust in public institutions if they have to come out and say they were wrong later, so I think it's safer to hedge wording.

Yep, thought the exact same the last few days. I’m not going to start feeling a bit better about this whole thing until we see testing done to a wider group of people and we see the infections slowing significantly.

We are still at that unknown stage where we don’t know how much it has spread in the community.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Yep, thought the exact same the last few days. I’m not going to start feeling a bit better about this whole thing until we see testing done to a wider group of people and we see the infections slowing significantly.

We are still at that unknown stage where we don’t know how much it has spread in the community.

I would take any type of positive news right now.

 

[PP34]

I would take any type of positive news right now.

I just don’t want to get my hopes up of a few months time starting to get back to some normality, only for more tests to come in and show a heap of community transmissions.

 

[Gralin]

We are from what I've seen weeks away from knowing if we are succeeding with dealing with the first wave.
Some of the answer will come from wider testing, some will come from hospital admissions.

But it's only the first wave. The reality is this is going to go on for a long time based on current projections because a vacciy/herd immunity isn't a short term proposition

 

[Gralin]

I just don’t want to get my hopes up of a few months time starting to get back to some normality, only for more tests to come in and show a heap of community transmissions.

I believe we will have more than one lockdown type event. China are currently looking at locking down international travel, they may have to lock down other provinces.
Though I don't trust their stats from the first wave we should have some idea how the second wave could play out from watching them now

 

[Forward Press]

I just don’t want to get my hopes up of a few months time starting to get back to some normality, only for more tests to come in and show a heap of community transmissions.

Not sure about the rest of Australia but the Health Minister in WA confirmed that 84% or so of cases in WA were directly linked to cruise ships or interstate/overseas arrivals. The rest are obviously an issue but as long as they practiced social distancing hopefully there is little community spread, and that if it did spread those people also practiced social distancing to try and help keep the spread down.

In these times I hold onto positive news because obviously case numbers will continue rising for a while yet. Hoping like all of us that in two weeks when these new restrictions run their course that the curve has been flattened.

*crosses fingers*

 

[Gralin]

My issue with the stats we have is the testing criteria which is based on the limited number of test kits available.
Antibody tests are great for finding people that have recovered.
They won't pick up people that are still contagious in the early stages.

Until you can do widespread screening you don't know the percentages. We don't know how deadly this is because we don't know how many people get infected to work out true percentages.

We know it's highly infectious, we know it will kill people, we know overloading hospitals kills more people than just those with the disease.

We don't know if we are close to reality, over or underestimating the impact of this yet

 

[burge13]

Of course people's mental health will be impacted and it seems inevitable suicide rates will climb. The government in its last raft of stimulus promised a whole heap of money for mental health services.

It's not an easy job because they will have to balance human lives (both lost from coronavirus, and from mental health related reasons) with economic and social damage. People will die each way. But surely coronavirus takes precedence at this point in time and it would be unthinkable for a government to decide to let it run its course and result in the needless deaths of tens of thousands, at least, in Australia alone.



10,000 have already died in Italy, and it keeps climbing. In a quick Google search, recently 4500 died in a year in Italy from suicide. Maybe I'd hold back on that fear-mongering rhetoric too that completely downplays how lethal COVID-19 can be...

http://origin.who.int/mental_health/suicide-prevention/country-profiles/ITA.pdf

You keep bringing up italy but almost all of those deaths had underlying issues..

We are sacrificing perfectly healthy peoples way of life to save the already heavily compromised. We have given up any financial future with all these stimulus packages already. All for a virus thats killing <0.4% here and thats being very liberal in the fear mongerers favour. The actual cases here would dwarf the confirmed making that 0.4% nearer 0.1% or less.

I cant understand how people have been so brainwashed into this. Winter will kill more people than covid here, i just hope everyones paranoia is gone by then so we can return to normal...

Worst of all is the media driving it. A doctor in America is treating people for it within 5 days now. MSM not a peep, they want the hysterics, fear and paranoia to continue.

No one wants to lose a loved one but we have lost all perspective with this, probably because its new. Take a step back, covid wont be in the top 10 killers in australia for 2020.

 

[burge13]

Until you can do widespread screening you don't know the percentages. We don't know how deadly this is because we don't know how many people get infected to work out true percentages.

We know how many its killed though so what we know is the absolute worst case scenario. Assuming more people have it (because we cant test) it only gets less fatal as more cases confirmed.

 

[Taylor]

We know how many its killed though so what we know is the absolute worst case scenario. Assuming more people have it (because we cant test) it only gets less fatal as more cases confirmed.

WA is attempting to contain the spread, so knowing the extent of the spread is important.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Am I able to visit my partner, if we don't live together?

 

[PP34]

I believe we will have more than one lockdown type event. China are currently looking at locking down international travel, they may have to lock down other provinces.
Though I don't trust their stats from the first wave we should have some idea how the second wave could play out from watching them now

I’m not expecting any quick resolution at this stage until we get some solid info on community transmissions. At this stage I think it will be months like this and then things will gradually go back to normal with the warning that sudden spikes could bring the measures back in.

Not sure about the rest of Australia but the Health Minister in WA confirmed that 84% or so of cases in WA were directly linked to cruise ships or interstate/overseas arrivals. The rest are obviously an issue but as long as they practiced social distancing hopefully there is little community spread, and that if it did spread those people also practiced social distancing to try and help keep the spread down.

In these times I hold onto positive news because obviously case numbers will continue rising for a while yet. Hoping like all of us that in two weeks when these new restrictions run their course that the curve has been flattened.

*crosses fingers*

It is good to see we haven’t had a rush of all these people who probably have Corona like in NY for example. But my skepticism stems from the fact that there still has been plenty of people outside in contact with others unnecessarily until as recently as the weekend.

Then you’ve got the numerous selfish arseholes coming from overseas who didn’t stay isolated and have come into contact with who knows how many people. Also could very well have cases that have been passed on from just few weeks ago when it was possible to return from overseas and not be in isolation. We had a customer come into my work who had just got off the plane from Malaysia. There would be plenty more like her from heaps of areas.

So yeah we’ll know better for sure in a week or two. Seen similar stories in other countries where the virus has gone around undetected and caused some carnage. When idiots continued to go to beaches, crowd supermarkets, parks etc it won’t shock me at all to see a big jump in community transmissions.