Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #3: Vaccines

Where do you stand with COVID-19 vaccines?

  • I've already been vaccinated (at least once)

    Votes: 24 27.6%
  • I intend to get vaccinated soon (first shot)

    Votes: 12 13.8%
  • I'll wait for more studies or doctor's advice

    Votes: 7 8.0%
  • I'll wait until old age or a safer vaccine

    Votes: 5 5.7%
  • I don't intend to get any Covid vaccine

    Votes: 39 44.8%

  • Total voters
    87

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No job keeper so one has to feel for those who own their own business that has been forced to close, those who are casuals who now have $0 income, those who were trying to find a job which now just got delayed.

Rents still have to be paid, permanents have to be paid by the business in 2021 unlike 2020, utility bills still need to be paid.

If business' can't open they don't make money and guess what will happen, maybe that will wake a few up who rode the fed government teet in 2020.
Irrelevant. If the measures save just one 87 year old it's worth it

People going bankrupt? **** them. Should have saved more money. We can't risk people getting a cold
 
Its a statement nonetheless.

When you cant state the basic concepts of "who signed a contract" your ability to be truthful and trusted should be lost

You don't think these tests are being done at all or in the manner that's stated when there are literally thousands of people just in Victoria working on it and a big number looking for flaws and those not following the right procedures?
 
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How much easier to spread will these variants become than the other versions.
This Virus War reminds me of the war on terror. First, there was al qeida in Afghanistan, then in Iraq, then it became ISIS in Syria and the rest of the middle east
Then it spread with ISIS extremists here and in Europe. What began in NY, went to London, Boston Marathon, Lindt chocolate in Sydney's Martin Place, Marseille, Turin, even Christchurch had a strain. Drum up the fear. COVID is perfect because it is invisible and you can dial up or dial down the PCR test to get any result you want. We are not counting deaths or those with symptoms only cases. Whether they are symptomatic is not even counted.

Not only are we not fit to live - we believe it.
 
Unhinged people. Not stable but they've been brainwashed, how do you bring someone out of it. Need an intervention like they do to get people out of Scientology...

The covid cult is much more dangerous, however. How people are so easily led down the garden path is a worry for the future
If they legit think unmasked/unvaxxed people are a threat to their lives, then they will probably justify violence towards them in “self-defence”. At the very least they’ll endorse packing them all in on trains and sending them away somewhere.
 
You don't think these tests are being done at all or in the manner that's stated when there are literally thousands of people just in Victoria working on it and a big number looking for flaws and those not following the right procedures?

Procedure? Procedure has changed dozens of times almost . Its not a consistent testing platform in any way. We have consistently seen procedures change to achieve a goal so why not now?
 
If they legit think unmasked/unvaxxed people are a threat to their lives, then they will probably justify violence towards them in “self-defence”. At the very least they’ll endorse packing them all in on trains and sending them away somewhere.
Of course they would. They aren't rational people. Very unwell in the head, like all cult followers
 

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Wow, This guy sure had the balls to tell the sheep how it is over the weekend.

Hilarious but so true.

Of these "cases" in Melbourne how many have been hospitalised, how many in ICU and how many on ventilators and what are their ages? Or are they all fine or have a sniffle?
 
If you've seen it change on improvement with knowledge, then it isn't being hidden.

Theres no improvement of knowledge when the science is defined. We knew before this with 100% certainty that the more PCR cycles the more virus you will find. This isnt a knowledge change

In saying that, our "improvement in knowledge" in this situation is non existent. If anything its regressed by the mere fact that our measures were simply not able to be adjusted to changing situations worldwide as we didnt take into account any outward circumstances ie. variations, weather changes, the fact people need to work and eat food and not stay home for 15 months. Honest truth here is everyone sat on there hands, made the situation worse and id say with this level of complete incompetence, it was largely with intent
 
Theres no improvement of knowledge when the science is defined. We knew before this with 100% certainty that the more PCR cycles the more virus you will find. This isnt a knowledge change

In saying that, our "improvement in knowledge" in this situation is non existent. If anything its regressed by the mere fact that our measures were simply not able to be adjusted to changing situations worldwide as we didnt take into account any outward circumstances ie. variations, weather changes, the fact people need to work and eat food and not stay home for 15 months. Honest truth here is everyone sat on there hands, made the situation worse and id say with this level of complete incompetence, it was largely with intent

if you want to call 'intent' you have to be prepared to face a big problem with China. Everything we've done and are doing has been a response to what came out of Wuhan.
 
Add in cowardice.

We saw how in WWII people turned on their neighbours and handed them over to the Nazis as soon as there was a perceived threat to themselves.

I also remember hearing stories about conscientious objectors being sent white feathers. Human beings hit rock bottom pretty quickly when they feel threatened.
 
For health care workers.

Even then it is still coercion. I really don't get this. I just don't. Vaccinate all you want. But how is an unvaccinated person a threat. The mandatory people say we need to be educated = Fine show us the facts. Not some weird advertisement or free stuff. WTF?

Add your last point about China. Once this is all coming unstuck and in the open China appear to either be an unwitting pawn or right in the thick of things. No one ever had mentioned masks and lockdowns (both very SE Asian concepts) until they did it and and we followed suit. (Usually we just copy the USA). Or did everyone know how China would react and chuck them in the deep end?
 
Of course they would. They aren't rational people. Very unwell in the head, like all cult followers
Just want an excuse. They would happily have people they consider bogan anti vaxers bashed or shot while we simply argue for the right to self determine, choose our own medical treatment and go about our lives.

So who really has the problem with people and who is selfish exactly?
 
Did laugh hard at the Victorian acting premier wanting the Fed Govt to give them money

Own your decisions, own your mistakes FFS . We are pathetic bunch of sooks who cant own any detrimental imapct of our decisions. Its absolutely sad as fu**. We are going to create a generation of absolute soft as fu** individuals complaining and sooking about every minor thing they dont get. If our politicans act like 8 year old children who didnt get there ice cream after dinner, then whats everyone else gonna be doing?

The entire lockdown philsophy is your choices impact others negatively so act responsibility and at the same time the spokesman for this opinion is saying that he has created a negative reaction and he wants someone else entirely to take the responsibility

Live by your actions. If you are not willing to, do not promote it.

This also goes to owen87, NO SPIN, Hawk Dork who flat out refuse to acknowledge the negative impact there lockdown love ins have FYI as its now a cultural phenomenon. I know this will end up a "thats not what I said" but actions speak louder then words in the end. Your actions to support this destruction of casual workers, small business, mental health systems, our economy means you support it as a whole. Once again, Live by your actions. If you are not willing to, do not promote it.

Finally the Federal Government has done something. Anything. Even if it is **** all.

This whole thing rests on job keeper. It is the thing that keeps it going. I think the Feds (not just Morrison but departments and those funding it) have snatched it at Victoria and said you're on your own. While it is expediency. Those white hot on Labor where now pissed at Liberal for not acting and have directed their anger towards them.

So now Victoria has a question to ask itself. Is this mutant super duper fatal highly contagious virus so dangerous we need to shut the state down at all costs or we all die OR Are we actually prepared to destroy ourselves for the sake of a virus? No free money anymore or free ride. As you said in another post we need to own our decisions. By all means lock up save lives. But you won't have anything to come back to.

Somewhere like Bali or India shutting down has literally cost lives due to starvation. Yet no grand roll out there. Whole concept of lockdown is ridiculous. It is a luxury pure and simple. And one at least now in Vic we can't afford.
 
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