News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread II

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So, it looks as if VIC DHHS did a bit of a clean-up with 'Active Cases' today and it dropped significantly (from about 7k to 5k). Of course, it's still a significant number itself at just under 5,000.

Personally, I'm unsure this is the correct message to be sending out. We all know what happened in June when the initial restrictions were even talked about being lifted.

 

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I'm not exactly an expert, but I'm not so sure this is the way to be "clearing" someone who has previously tested positive:

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Deputy Chief Health Officer Allen Cheng said a lot of work had gone into clearing people and releasing them from isolation.

“What it does involve is making sure that their symptoms have cleared and enough time has lapsed since the start of their illness to allow them to be released from isolation,” he said.

Prof Cheng outlined the process saying people without symptoms for 10 days were cleared and additional testing “was not necessary”.

However, people with vulnerabilities and ongoing symptoms were tested before release.
 
Royal Flush said:
In fairness to Morrison, it's only Vic aged care that's in crisis

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Similar issues exist in NSW homes under that management. Have a friend who works in one, reckons every home run by a group of particular private companies is vulnerable. These aren't bad homes either.

In areas with lots of aged care facilities there are always lots of casual staff working across multiple venues. Not just primary care either. Ancillary staff who cook, clean and keep the place running are nearly always casual.

It's not something you can blame on Morrison or Andrews. It's a systemic problem. When a failure like the one in Victoria happens those systemic problems will be magnified and cause all sorts of bad shit.
 
DesertRoo said:
anyone else seen this pop up lately?
Propaganda or final nail?
The Victorian government requested aerial support from the Australian Defence Force to spy on Victorians and identify possible breaches of the COVID-19 directives.
The plan would have required the deployment of the Shadow 200, a military reconnaissance aircraft previously used for target acquisition in Afghanistan
The ADF shut down the idea, as it did not fit with their focus on supporting the community.
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When was this?
 
ferball said:
When was this?
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I’m not sure when but there’s news articles coming through now.
  • The ADF blocked a plan to use military aircrafts to spy on locked down Victorians
  • Plan to use drones to monitor the public for COVID breaches was made in April
  • Police wished to use drones to be able to easily identify illegal public gatherings
  • Premier Daniel Andrews said he did not know details about the proposed plan
  • The ADF believed the drone program would generate anxiety in the community


www.dailymail.co.uk

Military planes nearly brought in to SPY on locked-down Australians

The plan to deploy drones to monitor the public for COVID-19 breaches was made by Emergency Management Victoria in April under Operation Hawkeye in conjunction with Victoria Police.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
179 new cases today. First time under 200 for quite a while (July-13).

Another 9 deaths unfortunately.

 
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DesertRoo said:
I’m not sure when but there’s news articles coming through now.
  • The ADF blocked a plan to use military aircrafts to spy on locked down Victorians
  • Plan to use drones to monitor the public for COVID breaches was made in April
  • Police wished to use drones to be able to easily identify illegal public gatherings
  • Premier Daniel Andrews said he did not know details about the proposed plan
  • The ADF believed the drone program would generate anxiety in the community


www.dailymail.co.uk

Military planes nearly brought in to SPY on locked-down Australians

The plan to deploy drones to monitor the public for COVID-19 breaches was made by Emergency Management Victoria in April under Operation Hawkeye in conjunction with Victoria Police.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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So the Victorian gov asked the ADF for help monitoring quarantine and the request was knocked back?

Am I reading that right?

Has anyone not ****ed this up?
 
DaveyBoy123 said:
179 new cases today. First time under 200 for quite a while.

Another 9 deaths unfortunately.
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Not liking for the deaths. It's good to see numbers under 200.
 
ferball said:
So the Victorian gov asked the ADF for help monitoring quarantine and the request was knocked back?

Am I reading that right?

Has anyone not f’ed this up?
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No the story is Victorian government had issues with using the adf overseeing the quarantine program because of moral objections but had no issues with deploying military drones to spy on all victorians..

I for one believe morals had nothing to do with.
 
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B4Bear said:
This can not be said enough.

The problems they are having now are the exact problems they had with the pink batts rollout. Maximise profits to the exclusion of all else. Aged care is another that uses this model, and it is sh*t.

The conundrum for any government is that the only lasting resource they have to tackle a situation is money. The public refuses to allow there to be a large public service (rightly so in many instances) that would be able to do all these jobs in extremis; so they pay contractors to do it on their behalf; who naturally maximise every dollar they can, leading to shortcuts.

This gets exacerbated in times of emergency because the normal contractual oversights are not put in place because they want quick solutions to complex problems; hence quarantine breaches and the flow on effects.

Holding the contractors responsible would be a good starting point, take them to civil court and get damages for the harm caused.

In the longer term they need better contingency plans at a state and federal level that can be enacted at the drop of a hat. These are systemic issues to complex problems, blaming one individual who happens to be a politician not of your liking is both childish and futile.
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www.theguardian.com

The spread of coronavirus in Australia is not the fault of individuals but a result of neoliberalism | Richard Denniss

For decades, advocates of the privatisation of public services have boasted of the cost savings of doing so. Today, we are counting the cost
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Love referring to myself.

Most aged care homes in Australia are privately owned and operated, but in Victoria, there are 178 government-run centres. And unlike their private “competitors”, the government-run aged care centre are burdened with “red tape” – such as minimum staffing levels. At the beginning of August, five of the Victorian cases involve one publicly run home and the remaining 923 cases were in private and not-for-profit homes.
 
Brendon Murphy (from the Age):
"He said while Victoria's contact tracers had been "overwhelmed" by the rapid spread of the state's second wave, the NSW health department had a more advanced system for tracing and isolating new cases, with public health teams "in every local health district".
NSW also had a better public health system than other states, including Victoria, he said, with a "decentralised structure", better IT systems and training and "really strong, critical leadership from public health physicians".
Professor Murphy said the NSW response should serve as "the model for the rest of the country" as premiers and chief ministers grapple with the pandemic's ongoing threat."


ALP Victoria is going to love that!
 
Royal Flush said:
In fairness to Morrison, it's only Vic aged care that's in crisis

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Take it you haven't seen the Aged Care Minister.

Naive to think Aged Care doesn't need a massive overhaul across the country.
 
sbdan said:
Brendon Murphy (from the Age):
"He said while Victoria's contact tracers had been "overwhelmed" by the rapid spread of the state's second wave, the NSW health department had a more advanced system for tracing and isolating new cases, with public health teams "in every local health district".
NSW also had a better public health system than other states, including Victoria, he said, with a "decentralised structure", better IT systems and training and "really strong, critical leadership from public health physicians".
Professor Murphy said the NSW response should serve as "the model for the rest of the country" as premiers and chief ministers grapple with the pandemic's ongoing threat."


ALP Victoria is going to love that!
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I don't think this was set up by the current NSW govt either. Coalition gov but that isn't important. It's systemic, just in a good way this time, and probably has been around for several cycles of government

While NSW failed with the boat they seem to get on top of things quickly and effectively.
 
sbdan said:
Brendon Murphy (from the Age):
"He said while Victoria's contact tracers had been "overwhelmed" by the rapid spread of the state's second wave, the NSW health department had a more advanced system for tracing and isolating new cases, with public health teams "in every local health district".
NSW also had a better public health system than other states, including Victoria, he said, with a "decentralised structure", better IT systems and training and "really strong, critical leadership from public health physicians".
Professor Murphy said the NSW response should serve as "the model for the rest of the country" as premiers and chief ministers grapple with the pandemic's ongoing threat."


ALP Victoria is going to love that!
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Not saying he's wrong, but I do take Prof. Murphy's opinion cautiously - he's politically beholden. He was recently appointed the Secretary of the Department of Health, and this was organised while he was still CMO, so my opinion is that his fortunes were always dependent on backing the LNP.

He also came straight out and framed masks as a negative in the early stages of the pandemic, which bewildered many overseas experts.

As a country we would probably be in a much better position if he echoed the sentiments of his expert colleagues across the world, instead of pretending it's not so bad so as to bolster the LNP's 'avoid shutdowns at all cost' stance. I hope that behind closed doors he was helping to push them in the right direction.

Having said that, it doesn't surprise me that NSW has more sophisticated systems. Public health in Victoria needs a massive overhaul. I've had my fair share of awful experiences with the incompetence.

So my criticism doesn't mean that what he has said right now is wrong, just that we have to be aware that he may not be as politically neutral as his former job title sounds.
 
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Steamin Beamin said:
Too late... I'm already hearing helicopters flying over my house every night!:drunk:
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Relax mate...

Its just ASIO tracking you through the implants they gave you as a "measles vaccine" thats calibrated by 5G and causes your children to have ADHD & obesity
 
Public health ruined by bean counters with a university degrees in " hospital administration " during the early 90's.

Funny thing about hospitals. People who work in them for the betterment of the patients ( not friggin' " clients " ) are usually the people who know how to run them.
e g. Doctor's, Nurse's, Physio's, etc.
 
Themanbun said:
Not saying he's wrong, but I do take Prof. Murphy's opinion cautiously - he's politically beholden. He was recently appointed the Secretary of the Department of Health, and this was organised while he was still CMO, so my opinion is that his fortunes were always dependent on backing the LNP.

He also came straight out and framed masks as a negative in the early stages of the pandemic, which bewildered many overseas experts.

As a country we would probably be in a much better position if he echoed the sentiments of his expert colleagues across the world, instead of pretending it's not so bad so as to bolster the LNP's 'avoid shutdowns at all cost' stance. I hope that behind closed doors he was helping to push them in the right direction.

Having said that, it doesn't surprise me that NSW has more sophisticated systems. Public health in Victoria needs a massive overhaul. I've had my fair share of awful experiences with the incompetence.

So my criticism doesn't mean that what he has said right now is wrong, just that we have to be aware that he may not be as politically neutral as his former job title sounds.
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We had one security guard test positive via quarantine hotel last week in NSW.

Let's see wwhat the next month brings. The last week brought 25 new cases, the last 24 hours till this morning was one.

If it's like that or better in a month their tracing and iso worked.
 
Ryz said:
Take it you haven't seen the Aged Care Minister.

Naive to think Aged Care doesn't need a massive overhaul across the country.
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Watched some of the Aged Care minister grilling this morning in front of the senate committee. " OUCH " ! Not pretty.
Actually had my sympathies. Becoming a real witch hunt sadly.
 
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