Coronavirus/COVID-19

[Sharpiesadog]

No worries, we're all in this together. My 87 year old Mum is in lockdown in Leeds, UK. Called her yesterday, she's fine. Old school as they say. She hasn't left her flat for 3 weeks. Her father died aged 43 when I was one year old. We all coped in much harder times.

You're not a Leeds fan are you?

Asking as a Derby fan.

 

[ivan rassmussen]

LOL, 10:00 ABC News. NAB cut their dividend and are trying a 3 Billion capital raising.

But I'm a troll. How much have industry funds invested in our great banks?

And should you have a milion in our banks, just remember that the $250,000 bank guarantee is just that.

If you have Westpac, St George, Bank of Melbourne, Bank SA. It's the same owner. You could lose 3/4 of your cash if that's your idea of diversification.

Yours Janet....

Albrechtsen... or Weiss?!

 

[wayniac]

You're not a Leeds fan are you?

Asking as a Derby fan.

I was for many years. As a schoolboy footballer I used to get free admission to Elland Road. Paul Reaney lived in the next street.

I lost interest when the crowds became boorish yobs.

I was always a fan of rugby league, followed Hunslet for many years. My cousin played for Hunslet and later the Rhinos, Bradford and Widnes. He played for the Lions in Australia in 1966.

The Terrible Six - Hunslet RL Parkside ex Players

Hunslet formidable pack the terrible six Wash Jukes Brooks Higson Wilson and Randall in 1907/08 spread fear through rugby league clubs in Yorshire Lancashire and Cumberland. Hunslets winning side soon broke up Albert Goldthorpe retired in 1909,Brooks and Walsh retired 1910,Higson was transferred...

hunsletrugbyleagueexparksideplayers.co.uk

 

[wayniac]

Too right. My immediate and extended older family members were from small villages that were bombed by both the Germans and the Allies during WW2. One immediate family member was a 'guest' of a concentration camp, and tortured, another immediate family member blown to pieces by the Germans, and all the rest displaced and dispossessed of virtually everything they owned. Fortuitously, the survivors ended up making a new life in this great place.

(TBH, this thread has actually maintained my sanity for the past few weeks, whether I agree or disagree with posts, or posters... well, mostly! I've got my own family around me, but at times I've gone to a few dark places. I'm working from home, but I miss the extended social discourse of work colleagues, I miss my extended family in Melbourne, I miss being in touching distance of my mates. I'm also lucky I live regionally, with plenty of space, stock and tasks to keep me busy. But it's not all beer and skittles.)

Stay safe everyone, look after yourselves and your own, keep the discussion going, and Go Dogs!

My Grandmother lost her Father on the Somme. She was 7 years old. We visited his memorial at Thiepval a few years ago. She never got to see the memorial.

My paternal grandfather served at Gallipoli, never knew that until a few years ago when a distant relative did the family tree. Gallipoli wasn't the big deal in England because the carnage on the Somme was huge.

My Dad survived the D-Day landings. He never spoke about it.

 

[LittleG]

Trump might have been onto something but he strikes me as a person who can't read more than a few lines. Erudite papers are for nerds.

This research and original work talks about UV blood treatment. It occurred before and after WW2 until the drug companies and routine vaccination took over.

Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time Forgot”?

Ultraviolet blood irradiation (UBI) was extensively used in the 1940s and 1950s to treat many diseases including septicemia, pneumonia, tuberculosis, arthritis, asthma and even poliomyelitis. The early studies were carried out by several physicians in ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

UV treatment won’t help against covid-19.

IF you have further questions about details of this, I can expand.

UV light is used to break apart DNA. Cells rely on DNA to replicate, without DNA, you die.

Their proposed treatment for a viral infection would require a whole body exposure, destroying all viral rNA and human DNA. Then using ‘Super Miracle Drug 1’ (SMD1) to just recombine the human DNA and not the viral rNA. To be able to fix just the human DNA you would need a massive concentration of this ‘SMD1’, which would potentially lead to other major side effects, likely cancer throughout the body.

‘SMD1’ has yet to be approved for medical use anywhere in the world. It would be a huge breakthrough, as it could be used in low doses treat cancer and many other diseases. It would be a leap in medical knowledge.


Don’t get me started on bleach and cleaning products and their effects on the human body. They are mostly listed as poison for a reason.



Trumps media conference got rightly panned for a reason, it was dangerous. There is no defence that can be made for his comments. Negligent is probably the best comment to make about it.



Note:
Viral rNA is very similar to our rNA. Basically the body thinks the viral rNA is our own rNA and does what the virus tells it to do.

 

[Yojimbo]

Does anyone else love the subtle irony of low petrol prices combined with the inability
to go for a drive anywhere bar the shops and chemist.

Day 45 of my covid diary, yet to be tested only eligible last week.

Who came up with this 1.5 metre thingy and does it change when it's windy ?

 

[wayniac]

UV treatment won’t help against covid-19.

IF you have further questions about details of this, I can expand.

UV light is used to break apart DNA. Cells rely on DNA to replicate, without DNA, you die.

Their proposed treatment for a viral infection would require a whole body exposure, destroying all viral rNA and human DNA. Then using ‘Super Miracle Drug 1’ (SMD1) to just recombine the human DNA and not the viral rNA. To be able to fix just the human DNA you would need a massive concentration of this ‘SMD1’, which would potentially lead to other major side effects, likely cancer throughout the body.

‘SMD1’ has yet to be approved for medical use anywhere in the world. It would be a huge breakthrough, as it could be used in low doses treat cancer and many other diseases. It would be a leap in medical knowledge.


Don’t get me started on bleach and cleaning products and their effects on the human body. They are mostly listed as poison for a reason.



Trumps media conference got rightly panned for a reason, it was dangerous. There is no defence that can be made for his comments. Negligent is probably the best comment to make about it.



Note:
Viral rNA is very similar to our rNA. Basically the body thinks the viral rNA is our own rNA and does what the virus tells it to do.

Might have missed this one. You said SMD1, not I.

Aytu BioScience Signs Exclusive Global License with Cedars-Sinai for Potential Coronavirus Treatment

Cedars-Sinai-Developed ‘Healight' Medical Device Platform Technology Being Studied as a Potential First-in-Class COVID-19 Treatment

apnews.com

PRESS RELEASE: Paid content
Aytu BioScience Signs Exclusive Global License with Cedars-Sinai for Potential Coronavirus Treatment
April 20, 2020

Cedars-Sinai-Developed ‘Healight' Medical Device Platform Technology Being Studied as a Potential First-in-Class COVID-19 TreatmentConference Call Scheduled for Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:30 pm ETENGLEWOOD, CO / ACCESSWIRE / April 20, 2020 ...
Cedars-Sinai-Developed ‘Healight’ Medical Device Platform Technology Being Studied as a Potential First-in-Class COVID-19 Treatment
Conference Call Scheduled for Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:30 pm ET
ENGLEWOOD, CO / ACCESSWIRE / April 20, 2020 / Aytu BioScience, Inc. (NASDAQ:AYTU) (the “Company”), a specialty pharmaceutical company focused on commercializing novel products that address significant patient needs announced today that it has signed an exclusive worldwide license from Cedars-Sinai to develop and commercialize the Healight Platform Technology (“Healight”). This medical device technology platform, discovered and developed by scientists at Cedars-Sinai, is being studied as a potential first-in-class treatment for coronavirus and other respiratory infections.

The company will host a live conference call and webcast Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:30 p.m. ET. Conference call details are provided at the end of this press release.
Led by Mark Pimentel, MD, the research team of the Medically Associated Science and Technology (MAST) Program at Cedars-Sinai has been developing the patent-pending Healight platform since 2016 and has produced a growing body of scientific evidence demonstrating pre-clinical safety and effectiveness of the technology as an antiviral and antibacterial treatment. The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal medical device. Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology’s significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus. The data have been the basis of discussions with the FDA for a near-term path to enable human use for the potential treatment of coronavirus in intubated patients in the intensive care unit (ICU). Beyond the initial pursuit of a coronavirus ICU indication, additional data suggest broader clinical applications for the technology across a range of viral and bacterial pathogens. This includes bacteria implicated in ventilator associated pneumonia (VAP).
“Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells,” stated Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai. Ali Rezaie, MD, one of the inventors of this technology states, “Our lab at Cedars-Sinai has extensively studied the effects of this unique technology on bacteria and viruses. Based on our findings we believe this therapeutic approach has the potential to significantly impact the high morbidity and mortality of coronavirus-infected patients and patients infected with other respiratory pathogens. We are looking forward to partnering with Aytu BioScience to move this technology forward for the benefit of patients all over the world.”

 

[wayniac]

Pharmaceutical firm Aytu BioScience testing UV light treatment

President Trump has been mocked relentlessly for suggesting that ultraviolet light could be brought “inside the body” to kill the coronavirus, but there is ongoing research to do just that.

www.washingtontimes.com

For example, the pharmaceutical firm Aytu BioScience announced on April 20, four days before the Trump remarks, that it has signed an exclusive licensing deal with Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. The center has developed and is testing a UV-A “Healight” designed to be inserted via a catheter inside the trachea to kill pathogens, including the coronavirus.

Ultraviolet, or UV, light is commonly used by physicians to treat skin diseases. Cedars-Sinai says UV-A phototherapy potentially could be employed in internal organs.

Open minded or closed minded? My expert or your expert?

 

[ScragCity]

One thing that is abundantly clear on this thread in recent days, is that as (almost) all posters have made their arguments respectfully and relatively clearly, and discussions have crossed numerous essential issues of concern, Bulldogs BF posters really should replace the current ‘leaners’ inhabiting the Federal parliament. There are enough divergent views to develop some solid policies, a predominant absence of slogans, and 100% of us support the best club on the planet. Personally, I nominate dogwatch for leader, as he is measured, erudite, and seems very well-read. Plus he wouldn’t have to relocate!

dogwatch is the smartest bloke I know. I wish he was my Dad

 

[Northern Dogs]

dogwatch is the smartest bloke I know. I wish he was my Dad

Mate, if that was the case, he probably would have shot through the day you were born!

 

[LittleG]

Might have missed this one. You said SMD1, not I.

Aytu BioScience Signs Exclusive Global License with Cedars-Sinai for Potential Coronavirus Treatment

Cedars-Sinai-Developed ‘Healight' Medical Device Platform Technology Being Studied as a Potential First-in-Class COVID-19 Treatment

apnews.com

PRESS RELEASE: Paid content
Aytu BioScience Signs Exclusive Global License with Cedars-Sinai for Potential Coronavirus Treatment
April 20, 2020

Cedars-Sinai-Developed ‘Healight' Medical Device Platform Technology Being Studied as a Potential First-in-Class COVID-19 TreatmentConference Call Scheduled for Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:30 pm ETENGLEWOOD, CO / ACCESSWIRE / April 20, 2020 ...
Cedars-Sinai-Developed ‘Healight’ Medical Device Platform Technology Being Studied as a Potential First-in-Class COVID-19 Treatment
Conference Call Scheduled for Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:30 pm ET
ENGLEWOOD, CO / ACCESSWIRE / April 20, 2020 / Aytu BioScience, Inc. (NASDAQ:AYTU) (the “Company”), a specialty pharmaceutical company focused on commercializing novel products that address significant patient needs announced today that it has signed an exclusive worldwide license from Cedars-Sinai to develop and commercialize the Healight Platform Technology (“Healight”). This medical device technology platform, discovered and developed by scientists at Cedars-Sinai, is being studied as a potential first-in-class treatment for coronavirus and other respiratory infections.

The company will host a live conference call and webcast Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:30 p.m. ET. Conference call details are provided at the end of this press release.
Led by Mark Pimentel, MD, the research team of the Medically Associated Science and Technology (MAST) Program at Cedars-Sinai has been developing the patent-pending Healight platform since 2016 and has produced a growing body of scientific evidence demonstrating pre-clinical safety and effectiveness of the technology as an antiviral and antibacterial treatment. The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal medical device. Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology’s significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus. The data have been the basis of discussions with the FDA for a near-term path to enable human use for the potential treatment of coronavirus in intubated patients in the intensive care unit (ICU). Beyond the initial pursuit of a coronavirus ICU indication, additional data suggest broader clinical applications for the technology across a range of viral and bacterial pathogens. This includes bacteria implicated in ventilator associated pneumonia (VAP).
“Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells,” stated Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai. Ali Rezaie, MD, one of the inventors of this technology states, “Our lab at Cedars-Sinai has extensively studied the effects of this unique technology on bacteria and viruses. Based on our findings we believe this therapeutic approach has the potential to significantly impact the high morbidity and mortality of coronavirus-infected patients and patients infected with other respiratory pathogens. We are looking forward to partnering with Aytu BioScience to move this technology forward for the benefit of patients all over the world.”

It’s all potential.

Until it has undergone clinical trials, it is all potential. Science is science. Until your findings can be replicated by others, then it’s all pipe dream stuff. You can claim anything you want to get people to fund your research but until it’s proven, it’s just potential.

To suggest to use a treatment without clinical trials is highly unethical & probably illegal. Any medical doctor in Australia could lose their licence.




There is far more scientific evidence for man made global warming. Far more.
Yet, yet, yet, we dither.

 

[wayniac]

It’s all potential.

Until it has undergone clinical trials, it is all potential. Science is science. Until your findings can be replicated by others, then it’s all pipe dream stuff. You can claim anything you want to get people to fund your research but until it’s proven, it’s just potential.

To suggest to use a treatment without clinical trials is highly unethical & probably illegal. Any medical doctor in Australia could lose their licence.




There is far more scientific evidence for man made global warming. Far more.
Yet, yet, yet, we dither.

Nice segue into climate change. I think that's called diversion.

Would a medical doctor lose their licence for this? :

Doctors and nurses at a major Sydney hospital failed to properly wash their hands when no one was watching, risking patients' lives, a new study found.

Researchers from University of NSW found the staff's hand-washing compliance rate dropped from 94 per cent to 30 per cent when human auditors stopped monitoring their behaviour and automated surveillance kicked in.

For 30+ years we've had MRSA in Melbourne hospitals.

Appeals to authority don't "wash". LOL.

 

[wayniac]

It’s all potential.

Until it has undergone clinical trials, it is all potential. Science is science. Until your findings can be replicated by others, then it’s all pipe dream stuff. You can claim anything you want to get people to fund your research but until it’s proven, it’s just potential.

To suggest to use a treatment without clinical trials is highly unethical & probably illegal. Any medical doctor in Australia could lose their licence.




There is far more scientific evidence for man made global warming. Far more.
Yet, yet, yet, we dither.

Highly unethical? Do we need clinical trials for hand washing too?

Superbug fears: The hospital workers who aren't washing their hands

Thousands of patients are being exposed to potentially fatal superbugs because their doctors and other hospital staff are not washing their hands, new data shows.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Sharpiesadog]

I was for many years. As a schoolboy footballer I used to get free admission to Elland Road. Paul Reaney lived in the next street.

I lost interest when the crowds became boorish yobs.

I was always a fan of rugby league, followed Hunslet for many years. My cousin played for Hunslet and later the Rhinos, Bradford and Widnes. He played for the Lions in Australia in 1966.

The Terrible Six - Hunslet RL Parkside ex Players

Hunslet formidable pack the terrible six Wash Jukes Brooks Higson Wilson and Randall in 1907/08 spread fear through rugby league clubs in Yorshire Lancashire and Cumberland. Hunslets winning side soon broke up Albert Goldthorpe retired in 1909,Brooks and Walsh retired 1910,Higson was transferred...

hunsletrugbyleagueexparksideplayers.co.uk

I followed Derby everywhere during the 80's, still do from afar. We are supposed to hate Leeds but I never bought into all that rubbish, just enjoy the rivalries. I used to go and watch Forest with my brother for a top standard of football, a hanging offense for most Derby fans.

Saw Leeds and Chelsea fans riot at Derby 2 weeks running, didn't put me off, probably should have!

I always followed St Helens in league, can't remember why. When I was little I used to come in on a Saturday afternoon when BBC Grandstand would have the 2nd half of a league game on. I used to ask who was winning, and then cheer for them...

 

[King Harold]

Interesting there is only one world leader that is not more popular than when the virus hit.

 

[wayniac]

I followed Derby everywhere during the 80's, still do from afar. We are supposed to hate Leeds but I never bought into all that rubbish, just enjoy the rivalries. I used to go and watch Forest with my brother for a top standard of football, a hanging offense for most Derby fans.

Saw Leeds and Chelsea fans riot at Derby 2 weeks running, didn't put me off, probably should have!

I always followed St Helens in league, can't remember why. When I was little I used to come in on a Saturday afternoon when BBC Grandstand would have the 2nd half of a league game on. I used to ask who was winning, and then cheer for them...

Brian Clough amped up the Leeds rivalry. When he came to Leeds it was reported that he told the players to dump all their medals in the bin because they were won by "cheating". I guess it's why he only lasted 44 days at Leeds.

I worked with Brian Cloughs brother for a while. They both came from the Middlesborough area and I workd for ICI at the time. Brians brother was called Desi Clough (I guess Desmond). He was exactly like his brother, very mouthy and traded a little on the family name. One of my colleagues had gone through school with the Cloughs and he was a promising footballer until he suffered a serious knee injury.

I saw Mal Meninga play for St Helens, that was the year before I emigrated to Australia. I could not believe what a massive unit he was, playing centre. Last year I went to a match at Headingley with my cousin who used to play for Leeds. Saw some of the greats there. Jamie Peacock, Lewis Jones, Adrian Morley to name a few. They are very nice unassuming guys. One thing I like about rugby league, the players generally are quite humble.

 

[D Mitchell]

...My 87 year old Mum is in lockdown in Leeds, UK. Called her yesterday, she's fine. Old school as they say. She hasn't left her flat for 3 weeks. Her father died aged 43 when I was one year old. We all coped in much harder times.

In September 1998 there was a gas shortage in Melbourne for 2 weeks, the Longreach explosion. Occupants of homes with gas hot water had to endure cold showers. I had dealings with an elderly widow who had gone through WW 11 in Liverpool as a young woman. I asked her how she was faring in the hot water shortage. Her reply was to the effect that this was easy compared to what she’d had to go through during the War.

 

[dogwatch]

dogwatch is the smartest bloke I know. I wish he was my Dad

Mate, if that was the case, he probably would have shot through the day you were born!

Scrag, ol' son, I've been meaning to have a chat, just you and me...

 

[wayniac]

In September 1998 there was a gas shortage in Melbourne for 2 weeks, the Longreach explosion. Occupants of homes with gas hot water had to endure cold showers. I had dealings with an elderly widow who had gone through WW 11 in Liverpool as a young woman. I asked her how she was faring in the hot water shortage. Her reply was to the effect that this was easy compared to what she’d had to go through during the War.

Longford.....

Remember it well. Kennett pulled all the stops out to build the pipeline from the western districts to Melbourne. I had an apartment in Kensington and we had electric hot water. When I was a kid we had to get up early to light a coal fire to heat water via the fireback boiler. Often in winter our inside toilet had ice in the bowl. We replaced the coal heated water when the government mandated smokeless zones and we installed an electric immersion heater. Wasn't good news for my Dad, he was a coalman. Destroyed his business.

 

[D Mitchell]

Longford.....

Remember it well. Kennett pulled all the stops out to build the pipeline from the western districts to Melbourne. I had an apartment in Kensington and we had electric hot water. When I was a kid we had to get up early to light a coal fire to heat water via the fireback boiler. Often in winter our inside toilet had ice in the bowl. We replaced the coal heated water when the government mandated smokeless zones and we installed an electric immersion heater. Wasn't good news for my Dad, he was a coalman. Destroyed his business.

Ah, the old days, briquettes

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Longford.....

Remember it well. Kennett pulled all the stops out to build the pipeline from the western districts to Melbourne. I had an apartment in Kensington and we had electric hot water. When I was a kid we had to get up early to light a coal fire to heat water via the fireback boiler. Often in winter our inside toilet had ice in the bowl. We replaced the coal heated water when the government mandated smokeless zones and we installed an electric immersion heater. Wasn't good news for my Dad, he was a coalman. Destroyed his business.

Kennett...

Remember him well. Closed down public schools at a scary rate back during the same period. Sold most of the land to liberal party members/friends/ family businesses’ with the selling agents being none other than the Baillieu family who’s son then went on to become premier. Ahh, the memories!!

 

[NBates]

Longford.....

Remember it well. Kennett pulled all the stops out to build the pipeline from the western districts to Melbourne. I had an apartment in Kensington and we had electric hot water. When I was a kid we had to get up early to light a coal fire to heat water via the fireback boiler. Often in winter our inside toilet had ice in the bowl. We replaced the coal heated water when the government mandated smokeless zones and we installed an electric immersion heater. Wasn't good news for my Dad, he was a coalman. Destroyed his business.

Yes, the old briquette heater. Burnt my fingers when I touched the metal lever trying to open it up. Must have been about 5 y/o - was just trying to help mum stoke it up. Fail!

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

My Grandmother lost her Father on the Somme. She was 7 years old. We visited his memorial at Thiepval a few years ago. She never got to see the memorial.

My paternal grandfather served at Gallipoli, never knew that until a few years ago when a distant relative did the family tree. Gallipoli wasn't the big deal in England because the carnage on the Somme was huge.

My Dad survived the D-Day landings. He never spoke about it.

Very similar to my family, my grandfather was at Gallipoli, was one of the lucky ones, he survived but was badly wounded was sent to England to recover, where he met his future wife who nursed him. She followed him out to NZ after the war.

My great uncle died at the Somme.

 

[TommyD13]

There's nothing really tin foil hat about thinking the government may misuse any data they get their hands on, either intentionally for nefarious purposes or just by simple incompetence (not enough data protection for example). Having said that though, everything I've read about the app so far indicates it's probably pretty well protected/unlikely to be misused.

Just out of curiosity, what could they potentially use the data for that might be harmful to people who download the app? Not saying you in particular are paranoid, but just want to know what these privacy concerns actually are

 

[BEaston]

Just out of curiosity, what could they potentially use the data for that might be harmful to people who download the app? Not saying you in particular are paranoid, but just want to know what these privacy concerns actually are

The concern about privacy is losing it.

edit: my original comment was a general comment, not specific to the app.