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MacMum said:
Oh joy. Ok. The public were only told today. I guess if contagious at the protest, we can expect a lot more to come.

Stupid, selfish people.
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Wont happen. This is good. Now when there are no more than the average number of daily infections in Victoria (about 4) we can move forward with crowds at our games.
Just as well he ignored govt advice and wore a mask (even if he did not probably no more infections from him).

The risk of the positive attendee infecting somebody else is very low. Base risk of transmission per close contact is about 3%. Being outside reduces this by a further factor of 20. Wearing a mask further reduces this by a factor of 10. A close contact is defined as spending >15 minutes within 1.5m. So even if he had 50 close contacts (highly unlikely) the chance he infected somebody else is about 0.03/20/10*50 = 0.0075 or 0.75%. When it eventuates that there were very few (hopefully none) in any of the protests in Australia it will be good evidence we can bring crowds back to football now. I would add that use of masks and social distancing would further minimise risk. As would sunshine, of which we have plenty in Queensland.

This is why V'landys is pushing for crowds as he is looking at the maths behind it rather than just the emotion.
 
Bjorn Again said:
Wont happen. This is good. Now when there are no more than the average number of daily infections in Victoria (about 4) we can move forward with crowds at our games.
Just as well he ignored govt advice and wore a mask (even if he did not probably no more infections from him).

The risk of the positive attendee infecting somebody else is very low. Base risk of transmission per close contact is about 3%. Being outside reduces this by a further factor of 20. Wearing a mask further reduces this by a factor of 10. A close contact is defined as spending >15 minutes within 1.5m. So even if he had 50 close contacts (highly unlikely) the chance he infected somebody else is about 0.03/20/10*50 = 0.0075 or 0.75%. When it eventuates that there were very few (hopefully none) in any of the protests in Australia it will be good evidence we can bring crowds back to football now. I would add that use of masks and social distancing would further minimise risk. As would sunshine, of which we have plenty in Queensland.

This is why V'landys is pushing for crowds as he is looking at the maths behind it rather than just the emotion.
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Let's hope you are right. We'll just have to wait and see, but we shouldn't have to after all we've been through already.
 
If the almost complete shutdown of the global economy was because of what we were told was/is a matter of life and death, sorry but we need to be consistent, I see the protests as a massive double standard, stupidity and a tad selfish.

If it turns out there is no significant spike in deaths and serious cases here and particularly the United States in the next month or so maybe this whole Coronavirus thing was a massive over reaction.
 
Zhesty said:
I feel like some people (not all) who have an issue with the protests would not have the same issue if they opened up the Gabba this weekend.
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I have no issue with the reason for the protests or them actually going ahead, it's the double standards.

Does the right to protest trump innocent people dying? That was the whole reason we were told to social distance, to not go near or hug our grand children, mothers etc, not go to restaurants, not go to church, some medical procedures and tests put on hold.

Yes I would go to the football this weekend no problem, even if it was a full house.
 
Jason mp said:
I have no issue with the reason for the protests or them actually going ahead, it's the double standards.

Does the right to protest trump innocent people dying? That was the whole reason we were told to social distance, to not go near or hug our grand children, mothers etc, not go to restaurants, not go to church, some medical procedures and tests put on hold.

Yes I would go to the football this weekend no problem, even if it was a full house.
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This is the key word. We 'were' told. Things are opening up now.

They were also probably concerned that the protests would occur regardless.
 

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Jason mp said:
I have no issue with the reason for the protests or them actually going ahead, it's the double standards.

Does the right to protest trump innocent people dying? That was the whole reason we were told to social distance, to not go near or hug our grand children, mothers etc, not go to restaurants, not go to church, some medical procedures and tests put on hold.

Yes I would go to the football this weekend no problem, even if it was a full house.
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I understand the annoyance with double standard but I think it's important to remember that this wasn't a gathering for shits and giggles. This was a protest for human rights.

The fact that so many people willing to come together and take a stand despite the current situation should speak to the seriousness of the issue and the underlying pain and damage that is being felt every day.

Was it unfortunate timing, yes, but was it necessary to continue to push this wave of momentum towards social change, I believe it was.
 
jackess said:
Unfortunately you missed the point
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If you're referring to the protests, then I am very well aware of the 432 statistic which is the reason for the protests here in Australia. That being said, the 432 stat can be debunked and no one cared about it until some moron posing as a police officer killed a black guy in America. I'm not for police brutality and racism, I think both are ****ing awful, but if we're going to be protesting at least make it about the lack of health services offered to indigenous people (which isn't happening), because it's illness that makes up majority of that 432 stat.

If you referring to me missing a point or post then ignore the paragraph above.

Zhesty said:
The protesting has taken on a much larger significance than just being specific to police brutality in another country.
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Yes, as mentioned above, I am very well aware of the larger issues that are being protested in Australia. However, as I said, that stat can be debunked and the efforts of the protests could be geared towards something that could actually make change. Protesting the treatment of black lives without direction of how to improve that treatment is not "larger significance" it's called running around with a blindfold waiting for somebody else to make a change for them. Majority of the BLM organization has no idea how to fix the treatment of black lives, they just protest when something happens and hope for the best and governments are no better when they pass stupid laws and implement rules that do nothing to to fix any issue. If BLM was an organization that collected donations to help black lives in a variety of programs then I might change my mind in regards to these protests.

Zhesty said:
I feel like some people (not all) who have an issue with the protests would not have the same issue if they opened up the Gabba this weekend.
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I'll tell you what, I don't like BLM. I think they're a terrible organization. Not because they value black lives above every other life (because lives don't matter if they're white or asian), not because one of the founders (Shaun King) is Hispanic man pretending to be a black man (which was confirmed by his parents) and not because right now the people involved with the organization are destroying homes and businesses in America - of which these businesses are already on their last legs because of Covid19 - some of these people are friends of mine.

I don't like BLM because they don't see the bigger picture. Right now is the worst time to protest when we have a virus that can kill people running around. Right now is not the time to protest because this virus is highly contagious. It's not because people want others to see the significance of current issues, but it's because people have been inside for too long and have become crazy from a lack of social interaction.

Tl;dr
Although I'm pro freedom of speech and pro protesting, ultimately these protests will do nothing, so I would appreciate it if reactionary sheep could respect social distancing so I may at some point get into the Gabba and watch a game/play card games at a game shop with my friends/go to work/do literally anything that may be stopped by a second wave of Covid19. Protesting is fine, but if it comes at the cost of everyone else living life, then we have a problem.
 
StevoJenkins said:
Although I'm pro freedom of speech and pro protesting, ultimately these protests will do nothing, so I would appreciate it if reactionary sheep could respect social distancing so I may at some point get into the Gabba and watch a game/play card games at a game shop with my friends/go to work/do literally anything that may be stopped by a second wave of Covid19. Protesting is fine, but if it comes at the cost of everyone else living life, then we have a problem.
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Wouldn't want to inconvenience your life.

The organisation of BLM isn't what's important, it's the message. Spreading awareness makes a difference. It might not make a difference in your life but even small change will make a significant difference to the lives of others.

I can't speak for anyone else but I know these current events are making a difference to me. If we sit on our hands and say 'nothing's going to change anyway', then nothing ever will.

Anyway it's a good conversation to have. Go Lions.
 
Maybe now, when everything in the established ‘way we do things’ order is changing, is the perfect time to get real change on the issue of disadvantage in our society. There is no real status quo to maintain so it’s all up for resetting.

Personally, I’m all for addressing the inequality throughout all our populations but I’m nervous about the potential for flaring up covid infections.

I don’t want to see mass gatherings this weekend and hope like hell we dodged a problem from last weekend.

And I hope all the people who joined in last weekend show up again once lockdown has ended. It’s easy to spend time on political issues when there’s nothing else to do, but you’re soft if it fades from your consciousness once the pubs open again.
 
The Hope and Change president in office before Buffoon Trump was in a great position to lead on the issue for 8 long years and actually do something about incarceration rates, health problems, police racial profiling etc of black people in the United States, was there a significant improvement? Doesn't look like it, which is very sad and doesn't bode well re the future... in the short and medium term anyway.
 
Jason mp said:
The Hope and Change president in office before Buffoon Trump was in a great position to lead on the issue for 8 long years and actually do something about incarceration rates, health problems, police racial profiling etc of black people in the United States, was there a significant improvement? Doesn't look like it, which is very sad and doesn't bode well re the future... in the short and medium term anyway.
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I heard it said last week that the majority of the Black community in the States feel let down by Obama because he didn’t do enough whilst in power.
 
Jason mp said:
The Hope and Change president in office before Buffoon Trump was in a great position to lead on the issue for 8 long years and actually do something about incarceration rates, health problems, police racial profiling etc of black people in the United States, was there a significant improvement? Doesn't look like it, which is very sad and doesn't bode well re the future... in the short and medium term anyway.
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I don't think you understand how the US system works if you think the President has that kind of power, especially if one or more of the House or Senate are controlled by the other party.

It stopped Obama doing much other than healthcare and it stopped Trump doing much at all.
 
Dlions said:
I heard it said last week that the majority of the Black community in the States feel let down by Obama because he didn’t do enough whilst in power.
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Neoliberals gonna neoliberal.
 
dlanod said:
I don't think you understand how the US system works if you think the President has that kind of power, especially if one or more of the House or Senate are controlled by the other party.

It stopped Obama doing much other than healthcare and it stopped Trump doing much at all.
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You're right, I don't have much more than a superficial knowledge of the US system.... although the President seems to always cop the blame or praise for anything that happens, particularly economically and foreign affairs.
 

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