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Which is why despite being a life-long 'definitely not Liberal Party' voter, I think Morrison and the government is handling it appropriately. The 7:30 Report even had an article yesterday appreciating the difficulty of handling this crisis and that they were doing the right thing by not politicising it, gambling with people's lives by either downplaying it or experimenting with herd immunity (like Boris and Donald overseas), and listening to the experts and stepping through the thought process behind things like keeping schools open, travel bans and aged care control of visits.
I just think in times of a public health emergency we should back the government's limits on you no matter your affiliation.
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Not wishing to cause any undue alarm, but this was a post I found, seems legit, can't verify it...
The scariest thing about this is the damage to lungs (death aside?)...
"FEELING CONFUSED AS TO WHY CORONVIRUS IS A BIGGER DEAL THAN THE SEASONAL FLU? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand.
It has to do with RNA sequencing...i.e. genetics.
Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year. You get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.
Novel viruses come from animals. The WHO tracks novel viruses in animals (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1, birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once one of these animal viruses mutates and starts to transfer from animals to humans...then it’s a problem. Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity. The RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it, so we can’t fight it off.
Now...sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human. For years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human. Once that happens, we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that’s what decides how contagious, or how deadly, it’s going to be.
H1N1 was deadly, but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Its RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.
Fast forward.
Now, here comes this Coronavirus. It existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long. But one day, at an animal market in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person. But here is the scary part. In just TWO WEEKS, it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”.
This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity), took off like a rocket. And this was because humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.
And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs.
That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1, or any other type of influenza...this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater. And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain S and strain L...which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.
We really have no tools in our shed with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.
Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him till the Black Plague passed (honestly, I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation.
And let me end by saying...right now it’s hitting older folks harder...but this genome is so slippery, if it mutates again (and it will), who is to say what it will do next.
#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks. And share this to those that just are not catching on."
The scariest thing about this is the damage to lungs (death aside?)...
"FEELING CONFUSED AS TO WHY CORONVIRUS IS A BIGGER DEAL THAN THE SEASONAL FLU? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand.
It has to do with RNA sequencing...i.e. genetics.
Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year. You get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.
Novel viruses come from animals. The WHO tracks novel viruses in animals (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1, birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once one of these animal viruses mutates and starts to transfer from animals to humans...then it’s a problem. Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity. The RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it, so we can’t fight it off.
Now...sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human. For years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human. Once that happens, we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that’s what decides how contagious, or how deadly, it’s going to be.
H1N1 was deadly, but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Its RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.
Fast forward.
Now, here comes this Coronavirus. It existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long. But one day, at an animal market in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person. But here is the scary part. In just TWO WEEKS, it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”.
This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity), took off like a rocket. And this was because humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.
And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs.
That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1, or any other type of influenza...this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater. And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain S and strain L...which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.
We really have no tools in our shed with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.
Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him till the Black Plague passed (honestly, I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation.
And let me end by saying...right now it’s hitting older folks harder...but this genome is so slippery, if it mutates again (and it will), who is to say what it will do next.
#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks. And share this to those that just are not catching on."
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Good points, as much as I slam this govnmnt, we have no choice and must accept the leadership we have in times of crises. I'm divided about the school issue and feel for the teachers (let alone students), but it might change any day, like lots of things...
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Not wishing to cause any undue alarm, but this was a post I found, seems legit, can't verify it...
The scariest thing about this is the damage to lungs (death aside?)...
"FEELING CONFUSED AS TO WHY CORONVIRUS IS A BIGGER DEAL THAN THE SEASONAL FLU? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand.
It has to do with RNA sequencing...i.e. genetics.
Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year. You get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.
Novel viruses come from animals. The WHO tracks novel viruses in animals (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1, birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once one of these animal viruses mutates and starts to transfer from animals to humans...then it’s a problem. Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity. The RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it, so we can’t fight it off.
Now...sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human. For years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human. Once that happens, we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, that’s what decides how contagious, or how deadly, it’s going to be.
H1N1 was deadly, but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. Its RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.
Fast forward.
Now, here comes this Coronavirus. It existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long. But one day, at an animal market in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person. But here is the scary part. In just TWO WEEKS, it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”.
This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity), took off like a rocket. And this was because humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.
And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs.
That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1, or any other type of influenza...this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater. And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain S and strain L...which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.
We really have no tools in our shed with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.
Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him till the Black Plague passed (honestly, I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation.
And let me end by saying...right now it’s hitting older folks harder...but this genome is so slippery, if it mutates again (and it will), who is to say what it will do next.
#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks. And share this to those that just are not catching on."
It's alarmist. No evidence of different strains and no evidence of mutation in the two weeks. Sure, it can mutate (and let's bloody well hope it does not) but for now the epidemiology and genetic structure of the coronavirus is well understood. It is however well known that in some cases it can lead to permanent lung damage to even relatively young and healthy people.
I wish people would stop circulating these as 'fact' on social media. You will notice how no doctor has attached his or her name to the article.
High unemployment usually means low inflation and vice versa, we aren't in usual times though and for the last decade low unemployment has gone with low inflation so who knows? stagflation a real possibility though. Whoever is pulling the levers needs to be on top of their game, I've seen nothing to suggest the crowd currently running the show have a clue.I havent read what he has to say specifically but you cant just shutdown an economy for indefinite periods. Even a modest shutdown of ~2 months its projected the unemployment rate could reach 15-20% causing inflation pressures meaning those that even have modest savings will be broke. Buy gold now people.
I did read somewhere that researchers in Singapore had noticed a mutation in some new cases that was actually less virulent than the original, can't remember the technical aspects to do with cell structure etc but mutations can also be a positive.
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That's a positive development if true but I'm not an expert. Just reciting what the experts have said and none have stated there are multiple strains or that there was a rapid mutation. The bat to pangolin to human theory is still only that - a theory.
That sounds way more drastic than the reality. A triathlete is probably not going to come into contact with that many people in a race, by the time the swim is over you start to spread out pretty well. I do a lot of running events and during the race I'm usually about 1.5m min from others.
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Fair call...I did add a disclaimer...and always like to check my sources.
Had heard about the lung damage before, that was my main concern...
I've read conflicting reports by medical experts, but the general consensus is that it definitely came from animal to animal (bat to pangolin or pig/whatever) to human..it's origins were from nature, not humans, not synthetic or lab invented..
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The RBA very much have a clue and so do most of the central banks around the world (who all work together). The GFC should have lead to a long depression but they were savvy enough to navigate out of it. In this instance, we aren't hitting economic trouble due to a structural problem in the system- the virus will come and go (China and South Korea prove this) so the banks can plan stimulus accordingly.
They'd be higher risk than most in that profession
Gold is down 10% over the last 30 days in $US but up 7% in $A so I guess it is still a good place to park cash.
Term deposits, grumble, grumble, it's all too hard
I don't pretend to have much knowledge in economics but I do know the current govt when in opposition were vehemently opposed to the policies that kept us out of recession/depression, although they do seem to be starting to realize shit is a whole lot different when you are the ones having to make the decisions.
Mate, just google it! Why would people ring up from country towns and mis-report something as serious as this? These were small town shop owners reporting small buses and vans passing through and buying up big, then doing repeat sweeps...Here, I'll even do it for you!! There's another six articles..
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The original story was about organised raids, black marketeers and warehouses. What’s actually happening is that some people are going to country shops to get supplies. They don’t need to but they are not gangs of black marketeers. They are morons.
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Well i'm not ruling out they might have shot them, but that still counts as no new infections right?
- WA bans all entry to the State
- Perth road blocks to keep others out.
- Nedlands Council bans all non-residents from entering the suburb
- man in house on Dalkeith Road erects barbed wire barricade
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- Perth road blocks to keep others out.
- Nedlands Council bans all non-residents from entering the suburb
- man in house on Dalkeith Road erects barbed wire barricade
- woman locks herself in the bathroom yelling “keep away!”
Who is pulling up the drawbridge?
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