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Cotchin's Leadership
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Hopefully Cotchin will one day be good enough to play in Canberra too.
As you can see, I have an eye for talent
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Just far too much depth and barely any injuries at the moment. He'll play at some stage.
We rotated our mids' opponents frequently, but Cotchin spent a heap of time running with Cooney. Deledio mostly would start with him in the centre square, Cotchin often started outside the square on the wing (especially early) heading directly at Cooney to shut him down (which he actually did manage a couple of times), then ran with him. Much later in the game when Cotchin couldn't go with Cooney anymore, they played wide of one another. We briefly tried getting Thomson to run with Cooney early but he got flogged (when Cooney wasn't 5m clear of him he would just walk through Thomson's tackles) and he was killing us so we switched back to Cotchin.
Jackson and Boyd generally went head to head, Thomson got smashed by everyone in turn but Cross mostly, Deledio was tagged outside the centre square a fair bit, but did spend a bit of time on Cooney all up, though it was more often at static situations than covering the ground alongside him.
One of my jobs takes three hours and all but 15 minutes of it is sitting around waiting. I either take the guitar or the computer, and I've spent about five and a half hours looking solely at our midfield over the last two days, I've been through every clearance in the game in slow motion a few times...I know the match pretty well.
You or Slow2burn are welcome to have a crack at explaining *what really happened* if you think I'm off the mark.
I thought Cooney was better than Gilbee, he had so much scoreboard impact (more than the winning margin IMO) and I thought he used the ball just as well.
I wouldn't say Cotchin was very influential, if Gilbee and Cooney were rated a 9 and a 9.5, Cotchin was maybe a 5.5 at best in direct comparison - which is very good considering how great they were.
He's coming along fine for his age, there was a big difference between the way he moved in rd.1 and Sunday's game, so with a bit of luck he continues to gain fitness and form and can get a full season in.
Omg !!!
You have absolutely no idea , instead of watching the footy on the box and listening to the rabbits commentating, go to a game and watch it !!
Because Deledio very rarely played outside the square or had Cooney as a direct opponent, Cotchin even more rarely had Cooney as a direct opponent and the move of Thompson on ball corelated with us winning more contested footy !!
You can get on here bagging Cotchin and Thompson all you like, in a bid to promote Jackson and Tuck , but the facts from the two games I've seen live this year , is that we play our best with Thompson, Martin and Cotchin in the centre square and by a fair bit !!
Oh and whilst reviewing the reply , take notice and give us some insight who you think these blokes played on Jackson, Martin and bulldogs players Aker, Cross, Picken and Griffen ?
Not sure that the Don would have been one for the fire & brimstone address anyway ...
AND JUST AS A SIDE NOTE...
Happy Bday to the Cotch - Future captain of the Mighty Tigers.
This monumental day, the 7th of April is shared by a few other powerful and famous personalities:
- Russel Crowe
- Jackie Chan
- James "Maverick" Garner
- Trent Cotchin
- And last but not least... one of bigfooty's finest... XYZ123!
:diamond::diamond::diamond: :spade::spade::spade: :club::club::club:
Happy Bday to the Cotch - Future captain of the Mighty Tigers.
This monumental day, the 7th of April is shared by a few other powerful and famous personalities:
- Russel Crowe
- Jackie Chan
- James "Maverick" Garner
- Trent Cotchin
- And last but not least... one of bigfooty's finest... XYZ123!
:diamond::diamond::diamond: :spade::spade::spade:
:club::club::club:
lol..happy b'day to you and the cotch
Wow. The boy has yet to play an entire season and he's already being lauded as a Brownlow medalist who racked up a couple of premiership medals along the way.
Cotchin has great potential. But so did Coughlan. And they both may very well end up having the same career path. So save all the puff for when he actually plays a couple of full seasons.
Cotchin has great potential. But so did Coughlan. And they both may very well end up having the same career path. So save all the puff for when he actually plays a couple of full seasons.
Lol, sok 1980. This thread isn't too bad, maybe the odd post going over the top. At least it's mostly positive, a little better than reading alot of the other depressing threads.
Haha...happy b'day XYZ.
You are so thick it just blows me away Slow2burn.
I didn't say Deledio 'played outside the square,' I said the exact opposite - "Deledio mostly would start with him in the centre square"
Why don't you tell me how often Cooney started a centre bounce without Deledio beside him in the first half?
That way we can work on your definition of "very rarely."
There's at least four consecutive instances in about 5-6 minutes of the first quarter: Thomson coughing up the ball handpassing straight to a Dogs player; giving away a free kick for holding Cross from behind by his fully extended arm (i.e. about as subtle as a sledgehammer manhandling and he was in no position to get the ball); then he's moved onto Cooney and lets him walk through a tackle at half back, 30 seconds later he's well behind Cooney and way too late to pressure him at half forward when he kicks a goal from outside-50 and we straight away move Cotchin back onto Cooney in a run with role. This was probably Thomson's worst patch in the game, but it certainly wasn't an isolated example, it went on all game, just not so closely bunched together. He won a few worthwhile contested possessions and one clearance of any value. Almost none of his disposals went anywhere. He made a ton of mistakes.
I don't have an issue with any of that, he's learning.
I do have an issue with him being played as a 1st rotation extractor who needs a 1st rotation engine to play on the blokes he is...it's letting us down to the point where the kids learn nothing in the 2nd half because we've barely got the ball.
Really? Why don't you offer us up some examples Slow2burn? I've already asked you to tell me what really happened in the game, but as usual, all you've got is exclamation marks, squeals, primary school level misinterpretations, and more questions to waste my time, while you bash out worthless four line twaddle.
Tell me what quarters, what games and a rough time reference where you thought the Thomson, Martin, Cotchin combo in the centre made us play our best?
You tell me who played on who, when and to what effect? I've already asked you once, only in your head does that give you the right to not answer and request that I do your work for you.
I can't wait for you to get back on the above questions Slow2burn - you'll either refuse to answer or it'll be an absolute rib-breaker to read.
congratulation rayzor first post in a while where you haven't mentioned Tuck and Jacko as our saviours , a bit more therapy and you might even be able realize your distorted opinion of Thompson is exactly that 'Yours '.
Now a little education .
Deledio didn't play on anyone in the centre square early, he and his direct opponent stood behind their respective ruckmen , which the bulldogs used to great affect. Cooney came from behind our ruckman on a couple of occasions and was collected / tackled by Cotch who was coming off the square, whilst opposed to Griffen on a wing.
In general play Cotchin would protect the centre of the ground and those players whom were an option within it, as no other than your man Jackson got lost in play. It inturn forced the Bulldogs to play through the wider option, Cotchins man 'Griffen '.
Incidentally I thought Conney was actually most dangerous when playing outside the square !!
In the later part of the day when Picken went into the centre square he attempted to pick up Deledio, however Cotchin got in his way and he inturn ended up with Cotchin as his opponent , Deledio ended up with Cross or Boyd on most occasions as his opponent, within the centre square, however for parts of the first quarter Aker was the Bulldogs free player .
It ain't hard it was clearly very obvious !
Oh and for what's it's worth I don't rate Deledio as anywhere near a clearance player, in fact at contests he is woefull , has no body contact and solely backs his side into winning the contest and being free forward of the contest, extremely rarely is he able to place any defensive pressure.
In saying that I like the idea of him playing in that role to improve his lack of ability in close, and inturn hopefully reverse the deficiency in his game which is another legacy of TW.
Likewise Jackson tackling technique has significant flaws which regularly sees him over committ to one direction , which yes when he judges right or blind sides a player looks fantastic , but often he is easily baulked and therefore allows the ball carrier to deliver the footy with very little pressure .
The reason which he is over committed, as per a number of our other players , could be contributed to not reducing the length of their stride as they approach the opposing player, one of the most common techniques taught when tackling is taught !
Now a little education .
Deledio didn't play on anyone in the centre square early, he and his direct opponent stood behind their respective ruckmen , which the bulldogs used to great affect. Cooney came from behind our ruckman on a couple of occasions and was collected / tackled by Cotch who was coming off the square, whilst opposed to Griffen on a wing.
In general play Cotchin would protect the centre of the ground and those players whom were an option within it, as no other than your man Jackson got lost in play. It inturn forced the Bulldogs to play through the wider option, Cotchins man 'Griffen '.
Incidentally I thought Conney was actually most dangerous when playing outside the square !!
In the later part of the day when Picken went into the centre square he attempted to pick up Deledio, however Cotchin got in his way and he inturn ended up with Cotchin as his opponent , Deledio ended up with Cross or Boyd on most occasions as his opponent, within the centre square, however for parts of the first quarter Aker was the Bulldogs free player .
It ain't hard it was clearly very obvious !
Oh and for what's it's worth I don't rate Deledio as anywhere near a clearance player, in fact at contests he is woefull , has no body contact and solely backs his side into winning the contest and being free forward of the contest, extremely rarely is he able to place any defensive pressure.
In saying that I like the idea of him playing in that role to improve his lack of ability in close, and inturn hopefully reverse the deficiency in his game which is another legacy of TW.
Likewise Jackson tackling technique has significant flaws which regularly sees him over committ to one direction , which yes when he judges right or blind sides a player looks fantastic , but often he is easily baulked and therefore allows the ball carrier to deliver the footy with very little pressure .
The reason which he is over committed, as per a number of our other players , could be contributed to not reducing the length of their stride as they approach the opposing player, one of the most common techniques taught when tackling is taught !
Cotchin's toenail clippings > Jackson.
forget all the trimmings with cotch right now, just leave him be to play regular footy and make his mark...TBH it would be a poor move to install him as skipper too soon. He's improving ea week both him and Martin and we'll eventually see the benefit of that as they begin making an impact on the outcome of games , that is, once we start weeding out teammates that **** up all their good work. Just leave him alone for a while and let the kid grow
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There's at least four consecutive instances in about 5-6 minutes of the first quarter: Thomson coughing up the ball handpassing straight to a Dogs player; giving away a free kick for holding Cross from behind by his fully extended arm (i.e. about as subtle as a sledgehammer manhandling and he was in no position to get the ball); then he's moved onto Cooney and lets him walk through a tackle at half back, 30 seconds later he's well behind Cooney and way too late to pressure him at half forward when he kicks a goal from outside-50 and we straight away move Cotchin back onto Cooney in a run with role. This was probably Thomson's worst patch in the game, but it certainly wasn't an isolated example, it went on all game, just not so closely bunched together. He won a few worthwhile contested possessions and one clearance of any value. Almost none of his disposals went anywhere. He made a ton of mistakes.
I don't have an issue with any of that, he's learning.
I do have an issue with it. He been in AFL system for several years now.
Spot on... Thompson was terrible. As much as I dearly hope that every recruit we get turns out to be good - this one just is not. A grinder, he tries, he gets in there - but just not AFL level in speed, class, nor disposal.
Kills me to say it but the same goes for Farmer. Short, Slow, v-avg disposal. Got a bath. The play on from the kick out to get caught was just comical. Should have got down a busted out 20 push ups right there.
Up there with Connor's pass straight to the dogs player, promptly to see the ball sail straight back over his head for a goal.
At least Connor's did some good things - especially putting his head over the ball when it was his time to 'go'... and got plenty of it.
King - have just loved his attack and angry garden knome attititude - but enough is enough - also not AFL standard.
Edwards - great evasive skills - which does not supprise since it looks to me like he is a small boy scared of getting hurt (dropping marks when hearing 'footsteps'). Disposal was pretty bad and just does not put his body on the line when required. Pi**-weak. Not good enough.
But there were positives... Post crashing packs, Martin just a tough, classy all around natrual footballer. Connors (See above). Nason had a crack. Cotch showed great signs in patches. The backline all put in - especially McGuane (tough and backs himself) and Thursty. Lids was good. Morton also. Newman was great (after a bad round 1).
Happy with the changes this week....
Tuck > Thompson
Polo > Farmer
Rance must be given a chance (even though I'm still to be convinced he is not a headless chook)
White earned a recall (also a headless chook, but a very fast one)
Cuz... the media can all just shut the f-up!!
Relton - just cause he is in my (and probably many of your) dream teams
Nahas was largely absent, and needs to get some form back (tackling!!)
As frustrating as it may be, we will know where the Tigers are at when Cotch and Martin have 2 full seasons under their belts and Vickery, Astbury, Griffiths, Roberts, Taylor etc. have 40+ games.
Keep the faith.
I don't have an issue with any of that, he's learning.
I do have an issue with it. He been in AFL system for several years now.
Spot on... Thompson was terrible. As much as I dearly hope that every recruit we get turns out to be good - this one just is not. A grinder, he tries, he gets in there - but just not AFL level in speed, class, nor disposal.
Kills me to say it but the same goes for Farmer. Short, Slow, v-avg disposal. Got a bath. The play on from the kick out to get caught was just comical. Should have got down a busted out 20 push ups right there.
Up there with Connor's pass straight to the dogs player, promptly to see the ball sail straight back over his head for a goal.
At least Connor's did some good things - especially putting his head over the ball when it was his time to 'go'... and got plenty of it.
King - have just loved his attack and angry garden knome attititude - but enough is enough - also not AFL standard.
Edwards - great evasive skills - which does not supprise since it looks to me like he is a small boy scared of getting hurt (dropping marks when hearing 'footsteps'). Disposal was pretty bad and just does not put his body on the line when required. Pi**-weak. Not good enough.
But there were positives... Post crashing packs, Martin just a tough, classy all around natrual footballer. Connors (See above). Nason had a crack. Cotch showed great signs in patches. The backline all put in - especially McGuane (tough and backs himself) and Thursty. Lids was good. Morton also. Newman was great (after a bad round 1).
Happy with the changes this week....
Tuck > Thompson
Polo > Farmer
Rance must be given a chance (even though I'm still to be convinced he is not a headless chook)
White earned a recall (also a headless chook, but a very fast one
)Cuz... the media can all just shut the f-up!!
Relton - just cause he is in my (and probably many of your) dream teams
Nahas was largely absent, and needs to get some form back (tackling!!)
As frustrating as it may be, we will know where the Tigers are at when Cotch and Martin have 2 full seasons under their belts and Vickery, Astbury, Griffiths, Roberts, Taylor etc. have 40+ games.
Keep the faith.
You had me at...
Relton - just cause he is in my (and probably many of your) dream teams
Deledio "didn't play on anyone" and yet he had a "direct opponent?"
How can two players be 'directly opposed' to each other, and yet each be standing "behind their respective ruckmen?"
What a cracking start Slow2Burn !! OMG !! You should do this for a living !!
You go on to repeat what I've already stated about Cotchin coming off the wing then switching with Deledio onto Cooney, mistake Cotchin not being able to go with Cooney as Cotchin "[protecting] the centre of the ground," and finish your all too brief foray into positional analysis with some dismal twaddle rating players which nobody asked for.
In other words, you've butchered the English language to the point where nothing you wrote makes a whit of sense, wasted my time once again, and the only thing you got right and managed to contribute for all your hot air and noise, was something I'd already said.
Give up man, FFS.
How about you stick to making up cheers or something?
Agree on Thomson and Farmer JTT...see why Williams had no time for them, though I saw a bit in Thomson as a junior, he just hasn't come on and is a junior mid star caught in no-man's land like Pettifer but with less talent to become something else.
There was one piece of midfield work from Connors in the 1Q where he belted into the square from half-back and got the receive handball from Deledio's clearance, then had to lunge/run backwards for about 4-5 metres to evade two tacklers, and he spun while in the backwards motion and gave the most sublime handball off over his shoulder as he spun (think it was to Jackson or Thomson)...just pure unadulterated midfield traffic talent like he used to show as a junior.
Made me drool.
Deledio "didn't play on anyone" and yet he had a "direct opponent?"
How can two players be 'directly opposed' to each other, and yet each be standing "behind their respective ruckmen?"
What a cracking start Slow2Burn !! OMG !! You should do this for a living !!
You go on to repeat what I've already stated about Cotchin coming off the wing then switching with Deledio onto Cooney, mistake Cotchin not being able to go with Cooney as Cotchin "[protecting] the centre of the ground," and finish your all too brief foray into positional analysis with some dismal twaddle rating players which nobody asked for.
In other words, you've butchered the English language to the point where nothing you wrote makes a whit of sense, wasted my time once again, and the only thing you got right and managed to contribute for all your hot air and noise, was something I'd already said.
Give up man, FFS.
How about you stick to making up cheers or something?
So you can't comprehend that Deledio and the player he was opposed to stood behind their respective ruckmen ??
Yet interperate "In general play Cotchin would protect the centre of the ground and those players whom were an option within it, as no other than your man Jackson got lost in play. It inturn forced the Bulldogs to play through the wider option, Cotchins man 'Griffen '. " as " Cotchin coming off the wing then switching with Deledio " !!
Once again you've proven a very limited knowledge of the game , the inability to study a game and a inability to interperate !
Thanks for the laugh , hopefully this week we will see Tuck be involved in every goal we kick like in the NAB cup ?
I did actually start reading your reply ptf, I got as far as "interperate" and then something snapped inside my head and I gave up.
For good.
For good.
I agree with everything in this post.I do have an issue with it. He been in AFL system for several years now.
Spot on... Thompson was terrible. As much as I dearly hope that every recruit we get turns out to be good - this one just is not. A grinder, he tries, he gets in there - but just not AFL level in speed, class, nor disposal.
Kills me to say it but the same goes for Farmer. Short, Slow, v-avg disposal. Got a bath. The play on from the kick out to get caught was just comical. Should have got down a busted out 20 push ups right there.
Up there with Connor's pass straight to the dogs player, promptly to see the ball sail straight back over his head for a goal.
At least Connor's did some good things - especially putting his head over the ball when it was his time to 'go'... and got plenty of it.
King - have just loved his attack and angry garden knome attititude - but enough is enough - also not AFL standard.
Edwards - great evasive skills - which does not supprise since it looks to me like he is a small boy scared of getting hurt (dropping marks when hearing 'footsteps'). Disposal was pretty bad and just does not put his body on the line when required. Pi**-weak. Not good enough.
But there were positives... Post crashing packs, Martin just a tough, classy all around natrual footballer. Connors (See above). Nason had a crack. Cotch showed great signs in patches. The backline all put in - especially McGuane (tough and backs himself) and Thursty. Lids was good. Morton also. Newman was great (after a bad round 1).
Happy with the changes this week....
Tuck > Thompson
Polo > Farmer
Rance must be given a chance (even though I'm still to be convinced he is not a headless chook)
White earned a recall (also a headless chook, but a very fast one
Cuz... the media can all just shut the f-up!!
Relton - just cause he is in my (and probably many of your) dream teams
Nahas was largely absent, and needs to get some form back (tackling!!)
As frustrating as it may be, we will know where the Tigers are at when Cotch and Martin have 2 full seasons under their belts and Vickery, Astbury, Griffiths, Roberts, Taylor etc. have 40+ games.
Keep the faith.
The bloke's played 12 games. Shaped up to Hall in his first, 26 possies and a screamer against Geelong in his second, 20 touches and three goals against Hawthorn in his eighth, 20+ touches in both games this year. Can. Play. Will only get better. I thought Hardwick might be the making of him.
It's fantastic to see him finally fit enough and having a red hot crack, he's going to develop into a very good player.
Surprised to see him line up this week, I guess the blood was from his mouth and not internal?
Connors is a ****ing gun. If he stays fit and motivated will be a vital ingredient to our future. Still laugh at all the clueless twats here who wanted such a naturally gifted footballer (as opposed to "athlete") delisted from a team so devoid of such talent.
I still think he is most valuable further up the ground but wherever he plays he is a huge asset to our team. If we can get Andy Collins up and running we'll have done pretty well out of the 2006 draft.
