Could this be Collingwood's big year?

[Scuderia]

This thread ends at "Sure it's only round 1"... Including any talk about how well Geelong will to.

See Geelong's start to 2006 for one of a hundred examples.

 

[AKA The Joker]

Dane Swans hurt factor disposal wise is not what I'd call elite.

No Dane Swan's disposals being involved in 17 scoring plays on the weekend wouldn't hurt any team at all. Oh and the 3 goals he chipped in for hardly had any impact on the game. Just another average game from the plodder with a wonky boot...................

 

[FuManchu]

There will always be a "least best" player in a game of football. If you're that way inclined to be negative at every turn there will always be somebody to criticise. May as well have a swing at Steele Sidebottom while you're at it, he couldnt hit the side of a barn door.

Jolly broke even in the ruck against quality opposition and allowed Fraser to get used to a new role as a forward. Got dudded a bit by the umps, too, in some 50/50 duels. Around the ground he's a proven performer. He'll be fine.

Its not a matter of least best, he had no influence at all, Minson was far more effective and Hudson better as well. Sidebottom would have to be looked at this week just for his disposal alone..Beams in, Sidey out maybe.

Jolly will be great for us, but not a great start on Sunday.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Jolly will be great for us

Then why attack KS for pointing out that we have Jolly at the team when you in fact agree with her.

 

[Falchoon]

Then why attack KS for pointing out that we have Jolly at the team when you in fact agree with her.

KS would never admit Jolly had a poor game

 

[FuManchu]

Then why attack KS for pointing out that we have Jolly at the team when you in fact agree with her.

As per Falchoon, she will come up with all manner of stats to argue the opposite of what reality is. And she will................... again and again.

She will come up with some contrived garbage along the lines that his 3 kicks and 3 handballs were far more effective than Minsons 20 or so possesions because he gave them off in the dangerous area 6.3472834 metres inside the 50 metre arc on average at the 27.563483293 minute mark of every qtr when the opposition backs are 56.65839% down on anerobic capacity

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

As per Falchoon, she will come up with all manner of stats to argue the opposite of what reality is. And she will................... again and again.

And you'll come up with a counter argument every time. Even when you agree with her.

 

[didak04]

As per Falchoon, she will come up with all manner of stats to argue the opposite of what reality is. And she will................... again and again.

She will come up with some contrived garbage along the lines that his 3 kicks and 3 handballs were far more effective than Minsons 20 or so possesions because he gave them off in the dangerous area 6.3472834 metres inside the 50 metre arc on average at the 27.563483293 minute mark of every qtr when the opposition backs are 56.65839% down on anerobic capacity

Never a truer word spoken.

 

[FuManchu]

And you'll come up with a counter argument every time. Even when you agree with her.

read my additional piece, thats the crap she expects us to believe. But I will always await her Monday morning guff with much anticipation, because where else can I find such fantasy? Its much cheaper than a trip to Disneyland.

 

[loki04]

I wasnt reffering to them as a group, I was suggesting Dane Swans influence, compared with Selwood or Ablett doesnt stack up.

Dane Swans hurt factor disposal wise is not what I'd call elite.

You are either a troll, a uninformed Carlton supporter or an idiot.

 

[Claude Balls]

Yes, I belive the could be on of the best lists going around. Tis is all IMO so please do not bag me out. I am a richmond supporter so ther is no bias opinion here. I feel they have a team that can go all the way. Sorry if I have missed any 1 obvious.

Backline
Elite: Prestigiacomo.
Premium: Shaw, O'Brien, Maxwell.
Above average: Toovey.
Good back-up:L Brown, Goldsack, N Brown.
Rucks
Elite: Jolly.
Premium: Fraser.
Good back-up: Wood.
Midfield
Elite: Swan, Pendlebury.
Premium: Ball, Davis, Didak.
Above average: O'Bree, Johnson.
Good back-up: Beams, Wellingham, Sidebottom.
Fowards
Elite: Lockyer.
Premium: Medhurst.
Above average: Cloke, Thomas.
Good back-up: Anthony, Dick, Rusling, B Ried.

One of the best Mids going around, 2 of the best Rucks in the league to ad to that. A really solid backline and although the fowards might not look super strong you gotta ad in Didak and Davis who play a dual role, and the high spread of goals amongst the team.

2 of the best rucks in the league? Do you mean Fraser?
Lockyer elite?
5 elite and 8 premium players in the 22?

Fair enough it's just your opinion but if you regard Collingwood's list as per the above I'd love to see your summation of the Cats, Saints or Dogs.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

read my additional piece, thats the crap she expects us to believe..

Off topic. Yes she rambles. Theres a news alert.


In this case however, some dimwit posted that we had no experienced finals hardened talls, and KS pointed out we had Jolly.

Thats all she said.

You attacked her and then went on to agree that Jolly will be good for Collingwood.

For what its worth I agree that his game was below par but it wasnt shocking. His main job is to get hitouts and he got enough of them. Hudson was fantastic on the weekend and would have beaten anybody on the day. Around the ground he'll get better when he adjusts to Collingwoods game-plan - its a lot different from the Swans.

 

[AG]

Didak and Davis aren't midfielders KS. Everyone knows Swan and Didak should have swapped categories in the AA squad.

 

[KissStephanie]

KS would never admit Jolly had a poor game

He was serviceable on the weekend. His boundary tap in that resulted in a goal to Dane Swan at the 12 minute mark of the final quarter was a beauty! A number of players have improvement in them though which is important at this time of the year, and Jolly can definitely play better than that. He was serviceable in Round 1 of last season as well, but he got much better after that.

Off topic. Yes she rambles. Theres a news alert.

Who does?

 

[MACDAICOS]

As per Falchoon, she will come up with all manner of stats to argue the opposite of what reality is. And she will................... again and again.

She will come up with some contrived garbage along the lines that his 3 kicks and 3 handballs were far more effective than Minsons 20 or so possesions because he gave them off in the dangerous area 6.3472834 metres inside the 50 metre arc on average at the 27.563483293 minute mark of every qtr when the opposition backs are 56.65839% down on anerobic capacity

At last.

 

[doppleganger]

Didak and Davis aren't midfielders KS. Everyone knows Swan and Didak should have swapped categories in the AA squad.

Didak is very similar to Chapman.....ie a high HF

Didak averaged 25+ disposals per game in 2009, he definately was playing the majority of his time in the middle.

 

[FuManchu]

Off topic. Yes she rambles. Theres a news alert.


In this case however, some dimwit posted that we had no experienced finals hardened talls, and KS pointed out we had Jolly.

Thats all she said.

You attacked her and then went on to agree that Jolly will be good for Collingwood.

For what its worth I agree that his game was below par but it wasnt shocking. His main job is to get hitouts and he got enough of them. Hudson was fantastic on the weekend and would have beaten anybody on the day. Around the ground he'll get better when he adjusts to Collingwoods game-plan - its a lot different from the Swans.

I didnt read where she said Jolly would be any good, I think we all agree he will be. Thats not the issue, i was waiting to see what stat she would come up with to show us how good he was on the weekend. We got one tap to a player for a goal, she didnt let us down. Isolated instances dont amount to a good performance.

She also said he was serviceable on the weekend!!! Just when was he serviceable? Maybe his missus might agree, but in reality, he got beat and well beat all day.

As for attacking KS, its more that I will continually question her garbage about every year being our year and then coming out with all the excuses at years end, which she forgets to cite during the year as to why we might perform below par. She over rates pretty much every Collingwood player and will cite facts from some fantasy she has going on in her head to justify what is quite plainly not true.

If she actually posted with some semblance of reality, she wouldn't get criticised near as much as she does. But every week, every year its the same old crap ............. fact this, fact that, we will win we wont lose, blah blah blah.

And then the little pearls of wisdom like her countering the claim that our mids are not in the same league as Geelong's with something along the lines that both clubs are in the Australian Football league!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me a break!!! What sort of response is that? Surely there is a better response than that!!!! Surely?

I guess it was better than some fangled stat tho

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

She also said he was serviceable on the weekend!!!

But that wasnt until after you sledged her.

As a ruckman he did his job at the bounces so I can see how the adjective "serviceable" could be used. I probably wouldnt describe his game that way but it wasnt the worst I've ever seen.

 

[loki04]

Didak is very similar to Chapman.....ie a high HF

Didak averaged 25+ disposals per game in 2009, he definately was playing the majority of his time in the middle.

his best footy is played at HF and it is where he is elite, the midfield he is just a good footballer who lacks physicality to star there.

 

[loki04]

Fu or KS.. it's like picking between Hitler and Stalin

Must make Timmy, George Bush? sticking his nose in fighting other peoples wars?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Didak is very similar to Chapman.....ie a high HF

Didak averaged 25+ disposals per game in 2009, he definately was playing the majority of his time in the middle.

I think we'll find Didak (and Davis) back near goals now that Ball has joined the club and Wellingham Beams and Sidebottom add to the midfield rotations with another year under their belts.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Must make Timmy, George Bush? sticking his nose in fighting other peoples wars?

They should get a room and leave the intelligent football debate to the rest of us, ie me.

 

[PieLebo87]

Backline -

Elite: Simon Prestigiacomo
Premium: Heath Shaw, Harry O'Brien
Above average: Nick Maxwell
Does the job: Alan Toovey, Tyson Goldsack, Nathan Brown

There is no doubt that Presti is an elite FB of the comp, in the top 3 FBs, and very consistent. Highly rated by opposition FFs. Did a good job on Hall in Round 1. Shaw and Harry O are on the cusp of becoming elite backmen with their defensive skills as well as rebounding. Harry O will come close to an AA this year, if you watch the evolution of his game in the last 2-3 years, you'll notice he is getting very close.

Ruck -

Elite: Darren Jolly
Premium: Josh Fraser
Handy back-up: Cameron Wood

No doubt that Jolly is an elite ruckman. Josh Fraser is a shocking #1 ruckman, but as a back-up, he is quality, and would be up there as one of the best back-up ruckmen in the league, in 2010, thats why he is premium, because he only has to ruck 25-50% of games, which keeps him fresh.

Midfield -

Elite: Dane Swan
Premium: Scott Pendlebury
Above average: Luke Ball, Sharrod Wellingham, Dayne Beams, Steele Sidebottom
Does the job: Shane O'Bree, Ben Johnson, John McCarthy

If you're still doubting that Dane Swan is an elite player in the AFL, then you don't understand football. Scott Pendlebury is close, but seems to have become stagnant since his foot injury, and last few weeks of '09. He was progressing into an elite mid, and hopefully '10-'11 will see the youngster become that elite midfielder. Sharrod, Beams and Steele are on the way to becoming premiums very soon.

Forward line -

Elite: Alan Didak, Leon Davis
Premium: Paul Medhurst, Tarkyn Lockyer
Above average: Travis Cloke, Dale Thomas, John Anthony
Good back-up: Brad Dick, Sean Rusling, Leroy Brown

Maybe not elite footballers in the eyes of the other fans, but definitely elite forwards are Didak and Davis. Would slot in nicely in any forward line in the AFL, even if its just a high HF position. Medhurst, hopefully, can pull himself into the elite forward category by years end by recapturing his '08 form which saw him win AA and kick 50 goals as a small forward. Thomas, Cloke and Anthony could be anything, considering they're all under the age of 22. Dick, Brown and Rusling are more than adequate depth players.

That was as unbias as you'd get.

 

[grogan]

why not

 

[Claude Balls]

Backline -

Elite: Simon Prestigiacomo
Premium: Heath Shaw, Harry O'Brien
Above average: Nick Maxwell
Does the job: Alan Toovey, Tyson Goldsack, Nathan Brown

There is no doubt that Presti is an elite FB of the comp, in the top 3 FBs, and very consistent. Highly rated by opposition FFs. Did a good job on Hall in Round 1. Shaw and Harry O are on the cusp of becoming elite backmen with their defensive skills as well as rebounding. Harry O will come close to an AA this year, if you watch the evolution of his game in the last 2-3 years, you'll notice he is getting very close.

Ruck -

Elite: Darren Jolly
Premium: Josh Fraser
Handy back-up: Cameron Wood

No doubt that Jolly is an elite ruckman. Josh Fraser is a shocking #1 ruckman, but as a back-up, he is quality, and would be up there as one of the best back-up ruckmen in the league, in 2010, thats why he is premium, because he only has to ruck 25-50% of games, which keeps him fresh.

Midfield -

Elite: Dane Swan
Premium: Scott Pendlebury
Above average: Luke Ball, Sharrod Wellingham, Dayne Beams, Steele Sidebottom
Does the job: Shane O'Bree, Ben Johnson, John McCarthy

If you're still doubting that Dane Swan is an elite player in the AFL, then you don't understand football. Scott Pendlebury is close, but seems to have become stagnant since his foot injury, and last few weeks of '09. He was progressing into an elite mid, and hopefully '10-'11 will see the youngster become that elite midfielder. Sharrod, Beams and Steele are on the way to becoming premiums very soon.

Forward line -

Elite: Alan Didak, Leon Davis
Premium: Paul Medhurst, Tarkyn Lockyer
Above average: Travis Cloke, Dale Thomas, John Anthony
Good back-up: Brad Dick, Sean Rusling, Leroy Brown

Maybe not elite footballers in the eyes of the other fans, but definitely elite forwards are Didak and Davis. Would slot in nicely in any forward line in the AFL, even if its just a high HF position. Medhurst, hopefully, can pull himself into the elite forward category by years end by recapturing his '08 form which saw him win AA and kick 50 goals as a small forward. Thomas, Cloke and Anthony could be anything, considering they're all under the age of 22. Dick, Brown and Rusling are more than adequate depth players.

That was as unbias as you'd get.

A much better assesment in my opinion than the Richmond guy's. The only glaring untruths I'd point out are Leon Davis, who certainly is not an elite forward, and Tarkyn Lockyer, who certainly isn't a premium. Drop them down a rung respectively and I'd be happy to sign off as a neutral supporter.

PS. I'd rate Presti 4th best fullback in the comp, after Scarlett, Lake and Glass.