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I think it was interesting that Peter Doherty said that the discussion on schools is treating all levels of schooling as the same.

The risks seem to be higher with older students, kinder and primary school seem to be low risk for transmission from children to each other or children to adults etc

The older the kids get the greater the risk seems to be with covid19 and nobody knows why studies around the world all match this
 
TylerDurden said:
Staggering they couldn't equip the schools with the same sanitary protocols.
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The priority was hospitals which is fair enough. But now there should be sufficient stock to allow classrooms to contain those things. Queensland are planning a staggered return to school starting from the 11th. Preps and ones. And 11s and 12s. Then looking at the 25th for the rest so long as new cases remain small.
 
Brishawk said:
The priority was hospitals which is fair enough. But now there should be sufficient stock to allow classrooms to contain those things. Queensland are planning a staggered return to school starting from the 11th. Preps and ones. And 11s and 12s. Then looking at the 25th for the rest so long as new cases remain small.
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We'll be the last to return. Start of term 3 at best.
 

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UsedtoKick50 said:
We cannot run from this mate. It's here until we have a vaccine. I suggest you look deeper into a Suppression Strategy. We are not just fighting a health crisis. Responses need to be proportionate to the risk. And that risk is overwhelming a health care system we have spent months preparing for. We are nowhere near this. We have greater capacity. We have greater methods to trace the spread, and we have far greater testing available.

If a kid tests positive at school, we have the strategy to lockdown the class, school if needed, and contact trace. People will need to isolate for 14 days. Those that are High Risk, sadly, they need to remain isolated until we have a vaccine. If families remain concerned, allow them to have their children remain attending class online. That's reasonable.

Right now we have 95 deaths in Australia. We will be lucky if only 12% of Australians are unemployed when the results are out in June. At a guess, more people will commit suicide, turn to drugs or commit family violence if we continue, in Victoria, to neglect the economic crisis we are facing. We are not balancing things well in this state. Lifting the doona from our heads is critical.
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Imo they are absolutely trying to balance education, health and the economy among other things. My wife has decided on a mid life career change. She is currently running a business, working part time as a teachers aid and doing her teaching degree. She does not want to go back to school and I do not blame her. (Currently working from home and home schooling). I am doing 10 hour days on average. Would love a call from health to self isolate for 14 days atm as we are knackered (tongue in cheeek).

You comments on health care a re correct. Over here all elective surgery was canned in the event of hospital being unable to cope with the sick. That was the logic. Tests have increased and the methodology behind tracing is being improved. People are better trained in this area now as well after an initial recruiting drive. (Had a tour of the sate tracing call centre the other day that was very interesting)

The director of health over here does not want to lock down entire towns. If there is a case dept of health prefers to lock down individuals or families rather than impose restrictions on businesses and activities which impact everybody in different ways. Its an interesting strategy especially if applied to schools.
 
TylerDurden said:
We'll be the last to return. Start of term 3 at best.
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Bit early to be saying that. Also a bit early to say if that is actually a bad thing

Andrews has said from the start that the plan is remote learning for all of Term 2, currently nothing has changed.

They are also in the middle of a testing blitz which will give them a better idea of whether there is much community transmission going on that they are unaware of.

Just because other states are easing restrictions doesn't mean that it should be for everyone.

If you've got no new cases and no community transmission you can behave differently than if you keep finding new pockets
 
34 cases in Victoria all linked to that ONE meat processing place now.

That's one small hub.
 
cryptor said:
thenewdaily.com.au

Police force Queenslanders back home as crowds defy social distancing

thenewdaily.com.au thenewdaily.com.au

Well, I called it. It's not hard to predict human nature. There's always a minority of selfish idiots who will ruin it for the majority of people doing the right thing.

This is why Daniel Andrews has made the right move in holding back on lifting restrictions. We get to see the inevitable happen interstate and (hopefully) not go make the same mistake.
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Please don't compare us to Queenslanders.
 
eldorado said:
34 cases in Victoria all linked to that ONE meat processing place now.

That's one small hub.
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That cluster in NW Tassie was traced back to 2 passengers from the Ruby Princess. 120 people and 11 deaths related to those 2 original cases.

It can get out of hand quickly
 
rogiebear93 said:
Please don't compare us to Queenslanders.
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You do realise there are Queenslanders posting in this thread right?

I think we've seen people in every state not follow the rules.

Plenty of cases in Victoria of people doing the wrong thing
 
Gralin said:
That cluster in NW Tassie was traced back to 2 passengers from the Ruby Princess. 120 people and 11 deaths related to those 2 original cases.

It can get out of hand quickly
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Yeah highly contagious which is why we need to open in phrases, we aren't eradicating it, so the best we can do is try and keep it at levels where everyone that needs an ICU bed will get one. I think 50 000 active cases is about the ceiling that Australia can cope with given a medical resources etc.

People will have to accept that deaths will happen and it's unavoidable and waiting and praying for a vaccine just isn't feasible.
 
HODGEYROAD said:
Yeah highly contagious which is why we need to open in phrases, we aren't eradicating it, so the best we can do is try and keep it at levels where everyone that needs an ICU bed will get one. I think 50 000 active cases is about the ceiling that Australia can cope with given a medical resources etc.

People will have to accept that deaths will happen and it's unavoidable and waiting and praying for a vaccine just isn't feasible.
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The issue Vic has is a large number of community transmissions from unknown sources

If they can't trace a cluster back to the source the risk is that other clusters are going to pop up.

The testing blitz they are doing at the moment is a good idea. Letting other states go first to open up is also a good idea.

Andrews is being more risk adverse that other leaders at the moment, whether that is the right choice or not I don't know.

I do know a lot of people are pretty cavalier about deaths, either they don't know anyone that is at risk or just don't think the people they know will end up dead.

I can't tell which
 
Gralin said:
You do realise there are Queenslanders posting in this thread right?

I think we've seen people in every state not follow the rules.

Plenty of cases in Victoria of people doing the wrong thing
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Just trying to be lighthearted.
 

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Brishawk said:
At daycare they have gloves, working soap dispensers, hand sanitizer, protocols for wiping down surfaces regularly etc. They are equiped to protect the staff from infection because they already were equiped. Now it may prove inadequate against this virus but those procedures ensure they don’t lose their whole staff every time a virus enters the centre.

I can tell you that my son’s before and after school centre remained open and then a staff member had to go into isolation. As my son is asthmatic, I had already pulled him from there fortunately but he won’t be going back any time soon.

the thing about the schools is that it is inconsistent with what much of the oecd are doing. The only thing Sweden have outright shut are high schools and universities. The gov say keep schools open but provide nothing but a statement of assurance that they will be safe but completely ignore kids potential role as a vector Of covid-19 to move from household to household. Clearly none of the states were convinced by whatever the explanation provided via the national cabinet. Either they put out real details or people will take a risk averse approach.
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makes you wonder why daycare bothers with all that sanitation when apparently the top medical advice in Australia is that kids aren’t in danger from and don’t pass on infection.
Oh wait. Corona Is different. It’s the most infectious disease we have found for decades, but the only one not infectious in kids. Yep people will buy that
 
Gralin said:
That cluster in NW Tassie was traced back to 2 passengers from the Ruby Princess. 120 people and 11 deaths related to those 2 original cases.

It can get out of hand quickly
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Gumnt getting all antsy about the way China went about an outbreak of an unknown at the time virus, but not wanting to discuss our own governments handling of the ruby princess.
Much more was known about the virus when the ruby princess episode happened. In fact when Australia repatriated Aussies from the diamond princess, the wen straight from the plane to mandatory 2 weeks isolation

(Not excusing Chinese guvment by the way)
 
First let me say the UK govt seems to do a lot of talk and not much action.

it seems we will go from working from home where we have a fair slab of freedom in how we arrange our day, back to the office where there will be strict protocols around everything. Not sure it will be all that attractive

in fact for traffic congested affected cities, cutting just 10% of the traffic makes the whole thing more efficient.- more return than the 10% Don’t think many cities are saying this could save billions in new infrastructure. The mass commute seems to one of the most ridiculous things we do

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UK to recommend sweeping workplace changes

The British government will recommend a wide range of changes to how people organise their working lives when the coronavirus lockdown is gradually loosened, according to a report.
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HODGEYROAD said:
WA, SA, ACT, NT & TAS pretty much have this thing under control.
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Tassie are only getting under control after heavy lock down of NW after the outbreak there
 
TylerDurden said:
Mate there are under privileged kids, and kids like my own that are losing a term of education coz their parents are working 50 hour weeks.
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A term of education is nothing. Lots of kids lose that when their parents take them out of school for a European holiday or a tour around Australia.
 

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