COVID-19 / Coronavirus

[thejockey]

oh well, they should of been better prepared and saved a few $

Hopefully thats a joke ???

 

[tige19]

and that’s okay because as Australian citizens that’s their right

They came when told, they didn’t wait 3+ months

 

[Off The Couch]

Hopefully thats a joke ???

yes - it’s just a reflection of the value that some appear to have put on peoples lives

 

[Off The Couch]

They came when told, they didn’t wait 3+ months

good for them - for whatever reason others have chosen not too and as Australian citizens they can return whenever it works for them or as dictated by the Government and at this stage they continue to allow them to return

it’s not returning travellers at fault here - it’s security not doing their job properly and I call absolute bullshit on them not receiving the proper training considering all incoming were met in customs in full hazmat gear and escorted directly to the hotel and met by health officials in full hazmat gear again

This would be arse covering now by this firm for not ensuring that their staff were doing the right thing. Sharing cigarette and sex ffs - all things that responsible security organisations would engage in - you don’t need that written in black and white to know it’s wrong.

Sure there’s been mistakes - every state has made them and for Victoria this had been not testing those in quarantine - no guarantees but would of reduced the risk

The other issue is Casualisation of the workforce and that’s got absolutely nothing to do with Dan - that’s a federal issue and shit businesses not doing the right thing by workers. Of course I’m going to go to work even if I’m sick if I’m the only one putting food on the table and I’m not entitled to any leave or job security

This pandemic was the opportunity to put things to right but this federal govt doesn’t give a **** about the working class and that’s why along with no testing and security who couldn’t keep it in their pants, we are now in the middle of this absolute cluster ****

Now they just have to work on fixing it

 

[Gralin]

They came when told, they didn’t wait 3+ months

Not everyone could come home when told. Some were in countries that had already close their borders, or bordered by countries who had.

Some were looking after dying relatives or needed time to get money or didn't get a seat on the flight and then the flights stopped.

You seem to think everyone coming home now just sat on their hands for months and that's as far as you are willing to go.

No allowances for people who were stuck somewhere, no allowances for people caring for dying relatives.

 

[Gralin]

good for them - for whatever reason others have chosen not too and as Australian citizens they can return whenever it works for them or as dictated by the Government and at this stage they continue to allow them to return

it’s not returning travellers at fault here - it’s security not doing their job properly and I call absolute bullshit on them not receiving the proper training considering all incoming were met in customs in full hazmat gear and escorted directly to the hotel and met by health officials in full hazmat gear again

This would be arse covering now by this firm for not ensuring that their staff were doing the right thing. Sharing cigarette and sex ffs - all things that responsible security organisations would engage in - you don’t need that written in black and white to know it’s wrong.

Sure there’s been mistakes - every state has made them and for Victoria this had been not testing those in quarantine - no guarantees but would of reduced the risk

The other issue is Casualisation of the workforce and that’s got absolutely nothing to do with Dan - that’s a federal issue and sh*t businesses not doing the right thing by workers. Of course I’m going to go to work even if I’m sick if I’m the only one putting food on the table and I’m not entitled to any leave or job security

This pandemic was the opportunity to put things to right but this federal govt doesn’t give a fu** about the working class and that’s why along with no testing and security who couldn’t keep it in their pants, we are now in the middle of this absolute cluster fu**

Now they just have to work on fixing it

We've been testing people in Quarantine, if 70-80% of people have been tested in Quarantine in Vic it's not the testing that was the issue so much as the people that treated it like band camp

 

[Gralin]

Guy is sick, gets tested then jumps on train to Sydney, ****ing genius

Other guy gets tested, all clear, leaves quarantine, goes home, gets sick goes to work, gets sent home from work gets tested sick, people still don't ****ing get it

 

[TheFourPillars]

Guy is sick, gets tested then jumps on train to Sydney, ******* genius

Other guy gets tested, all clear, leaves quarantine, goes home, gets sick goes to work, gets sent home from work gets tested sick, people still don't ******* get it

Two reasons
One that he doesn't see it as a real problem.
Two he doesn't give a ****

Two might be related to one but needed to be said

 

[Gralin]

Two reasons
One that he doesn't see it as a real problem.
Two he doesn't give a fu**

Two might be related to one but needed to be said

Plenty of people don't give a ****

 

[tige19]

good for them - for whatever reason others have chosen not too and as Australian citizens they can return whenever it works for them or as dictated by the Government and at this stage they continue to allow them to return

it’s not returning travellers at fault here - it’s security not doing their job properly and I call absolute bullshit on them not receiving the proper training considering all incoming were met in customs in full hazmat gear and escorted directly to the hotel and met by health officials in full hazmat gear again

This would be arse covering now by this firm for not ensuring that their staff were doing the right thing. Sharing cigarette and sex ffs - all things that responsible security organisations would engage in - you don’t need that written in black and white to know it’s wrong.

Sure there’s been mistakes - every state has made them and for Victoria this had been not testing those in quarantine - no guarantees but would of reduced the risk

The other issue is Casualisation of the workforce and that’s got absolutely nothing to do with Dan - that’s a federal issue and sh*t businesses not doing the right thing by workers. Of course I’m going to go to work even if I’m sick if I’m the only one putting food on the table and I’m not entitled to any leave or job security

This pandemic was the opportunity to put things to right but this federal govt doesn’t give a fu** about the working class and that’s why along with no testing and security who couldn’t keep it in their pants, we are now in the middle of this absolute cluster fu**

Now they just have to work on fixing it

Stop protecting Dan, his government went down the path of hiring contractors when other states did not. NSW quarantine was run by the Police commissioner, Mr. Andrews looks like a complete and utter twat, he has not only embarrassed his state but his oversight has led to thousands of businesses being shut down and 300k people being locked in again. He is a pure piece of shit.

 

[tige19]

Not everyone could come home when told. Some were in countries that had already close their borders, or bordered by countries who had.

Some were looking after dying relatives or needed time to get money or didn't get a seat on the flight and then the flights stopped.

You seem to think everyone coming home now just sat on their hands for months and that's as far as you are willing to go.

No allowances for people who were stuck somewhere, no allowances for people caring for dying relatives.

Ok, so there may be a few reasons why people can't come home when advised they should. None the less, I still think there would be a significant portion of people who have decided not come and then realised that they are in fact better off being in Australia, they then decide to come back here.

There has been a calamity of fluff ups here, Victoria is a leper and there's one person who is responsible and that is the premier, it starts and ends with him.

 

[Gralin]

Stop protecting Dan, his government went down the path of hiring contractors when other states did not. NSW quarantine was run by the Police commissioner, Mr. Andrews looks like a complete and utter twat, he has not only embarrassed his state but his oversight has led to thousands of businesses being shut down and 300k people being locked in again. He is a pure piece of sh*t.

Do you know how each state and territory is running their hotel quarantine?
I've not read that Victoria is the only state using Security Guards at hotels.

Where are you getting the details on who is in charge and who is enforcing quarantine at hotels in each state?

Ok, so there may be a few reasons why people can't come home when advised they should. None the less, I still think there would be a significant portion of people who have decided not come and then realised that they are in fact better off being in Australia, they then decide to come back here.

There has been a calamity of fluff ups here, Victoria is a leper and there's one person who is responsible and that is the premier, it starts and ends with him.

You want to make it all about one person. It's not all about one person. Dan Andrews is the Premier, he isn't the person making all decisions for everything that happens across the state.

He's the leader of the State Government but that doesn't make him the person running everything. He wouldn't even be the person signing off on everything, it's not how Government works.

I get you don't like him but you're absolving everyone else of any responsiblity with this rhetoric. You want accountability you have to have it at all levels from the people in quarantine, to the staff working there, to the people overseeing them all the way up.

You want to blame the Premier for people he's never met deciding to break rules that would have been provided in writing to everyone involved in breaking the rules.

Do you blame the Premier for every time citizens break the rules?

 

[tige19]

Do you know how each state and territory is running their hotel quarantine?
I've not read that Victoria is the only state using Security Guards at hotels.

Where are you getting the details on who is in charge and who is enforcing quarantine at hotels in each state?


You want to make it all about one person. It's not all about one person. Dan Andrews is the Premier, he isn't the person making all decisions for everything that happens across the state.

He's the leader of the State Government but that doesn't make him the person running everything. He wouldn't even be the person signing off on everything, it's not how Government works.

I get you don't like him but you're absolving everyone else of any responsiblity with this rhetoric. You want accountability you have to have it at all levels from the people in quarantine, to the staff working there, to the people overseeing them all the way up.

You want to blame the Premier for people he's never met deciding to break rules that would have been provided in writing to everyone involved in breaking the rules.

Do you blame the Premier for every time citizens break the rules?

There is only 1 other state who have a comparable volume of return travellers and that's NSW, who manages their quarantine and what was their outcome? Please let me know, would also be good for you to give me a run down on results in comparison.

So if the Western Bulldogs lose the next 10 games, does Luke Beveridge keep his job? Is a football coach responsible for his team? Or do we look to blame the water guys because they brought out the wrong Gatorade during the season and it affected performance? Give me a break.

You have hypocritically been vocal against SCOMO and initiatives like Job Keeper and Seeker, yet when the coin is flipped and we have Daniel Andrews who has made categoric and preposterous mistakes you go and defend him...

You're right, I don't like the spineless moron.

** It's not all about DA, he can take Mikakos and Sutton too, both as inept as each other... Our state needs to be handed to the Commonwealth and done so quickly before we all drown in the ALP's mistakes.

 

[Pessimistic]

Non infected people got infected purely because they were in poor quarantine

Big shcemozzle all round

 

[Pessimistic]

Its a black mark on the government. slightly offsetting this is the openenness and calling an enquiry.

Not quite boris johnson level whos regime has had stuff up after stiff up and calls anyone criticizing unpatriotic

 

[Gralin]

There is only 1 other state who have a comparable volume of return travellers and that's NSW, who manages their quarantine and what was their outcome? Please let me know, would also be good for you to give me a run down on results in comparison.

So if the Western Bulldogs lose the next 10 games, does Luke Beveridge keep his job? Is a football coach responsible for his team? Or do we look to blame the water guys because they brought out the wrong Gatorade during the season and it affected performance? Give me a break.

You have hypocritically been vocal against SCOMO and initiatives like Job Keeper and Seeker, yet when the coin is flipped and we have Daniel Andrews who has made categoric and preposterous mistakes you go and defend him...

You're right, I don't like the spineless moron.

** It's not all about DA, he can take Mikakos and Sutton too, both as inept as each other... Our state needs to be handed to the Commonwealth and done so quickly before we all drown in the ALP's mistakes.

This isn't footy. I knew you were going to make a head coach comparison but its not relevant. Sure from a voting perspective people get caught up in who the parties put forward as leaders to a certain extent but most still vote based on which party that leader represents more than the leader themselves.

This isn't America where you actually vote in the Prime Minister, unless you happen to live in their seat and even then you aren't voting them in just directly voting for them, others need to vote for the same party.

I've not been hypocritically vocal against Scotty's policies on JS and JK, they are social and economic policies and have zero impact on how states run their hotel Quarantines. They also happen to be policies that I think could have been handled better and we still need resolution on what is happening come September on those.

What is the difference in how VIC and NSW run their Hotel Quarantines? Have you got any links that detail the actual differences or are you just jumping up and down on party lines because NSW is libs and therefor good and VIC is ALP and therefore bad?

Our state does not need to be handed to the Commonwealth, stop talking shit. You're looking at the outbreak in Victoria from the perspective of wanting to blame it all on the fact that the ALP are in power, yet QLD, WA, SA, NT and ACT are all ALP lead governments and I don't see them drowning as you put it.

It's clearly not the fact that it's ALP that is the issue in VIC. When the inquiry into this comes down it might point to DHHS Victoria, it might point to issues with Government Department or it might just point to ****ing shitty behavior by people in the hotels and at home.

You want to lay all of that at the feet of the ALP, its all you talk about, you don't give two shits about the reality of the situation you just want to scream blue murder at the guy you don't like.

Am I happy with what's going on in Vic at the moment? No I'm not. Am I interested in whether the Vic government has ****ed up yes I am. But I'm not automatically sayings it is like you and I'm not acting like its a ****ing football team and the coach needs to be fired so they can start winning which is just stupid.

Again you've not given me any solid details about why NSW is better other than because it is and because its not ALP run. So go find the evidence to prove your point or shut the **** up

 

[Brishawk]

There is only 1 other state who have a comparable volume of return travellers and that's NSW, who manages their quarantine and what was their outcome? Please let me know, would also be good for you to give me a run down on results in comparison.

So if the Western Bulldogs lose the next 10 games, does Luke Beveridge keep his job? Is a football coach responsible for his team? Or do we look to blame the water guys because they brought out the wrong Gatorade during the season and it affected performance? Give me a break.

You have hypocritically been vocal against SCOMO and initiatives like Job Keeper and Seeker, yet when the coin is flipped and we have Daniel Andrews who has made categoric and preposterous mistakes you go and defend him...

You're right, I don't like the spineless moron.

** It's not all about DA, he can take Mikakos and Sutton too, both as inept as each other... Our state needs to be handed to the Commonwealth and done so quickly before we all drown in the ALP's mistakes.

To use your analogy, if the water guy gets covid and breaches club protocol and infects some players and the team loses games, who do you sack? Water guy, right?

 

[Phil McCreviss]

Ok, so there may be a few reasons why people can't come home when advised they should. None the less, I still think there would be a significant portion of people who have decided not come and then realised that they are in fact better off being in Australia, they then decide to come back here.

There has been a calamity of fluff ups here, Victoria is a leper and there's one person who is responsible and that is the premier, it starts and ends with him.

Nope. In NY through the whole thing and not once did I consider going back to Aus. Still don't. The majority of expats here feel the same way. The only people who had to return were those who lost their visa dependent jobs. Not because they wanted to but because they had to return.

So there goes your theory.

 

[tige19]

Nope. In NY through the whole thing and not once did I consider going back to Aus. Still don't. The majority of expats here feel the same way. The only people who had to return were those who lost their visa dependent jobs. Not because they wanted to but because they had to return.

So there goes your theory.

You know 2c of bugger all of expats in NY Phil, don't overstate your social network.

 

[tige19]

This isn't footy. I knew you were going to make a head coach comparison but its not relevant. Sure from a voting perspective people get caught up in who the parties put forward as leaders to a certain extent but most still vote based on which party that leader represents more than the leader themselves.

This isn't America where you actually vote in the Prime Minister, unless you happen to live in their seat and even then you aren't voting them in just directly voting for them, others need to vote for the same party.

I've not been hypocritically vocal against Scotty's policies on JS and JK, they are social and economic policies and have zero impact on how states run their hotel Quarantines. They also happen to be policies that I think could have been handled better and we still need resolution on what is happening come September on those.

What is the difference in how VIC and NSW run their Hotel Quarantines? Have you got any links that detail the actual differences or are you just jumping up and down on party lines because NSW is libs and therefor good and VIC is ALP and therefore bad?

Our state does not need to be handed to the Commonwealth, stop talking sh*t. You're looking at the outbreak in Victoria from the perspective of wanting to blame it all on the fact that the ALP are in power, yet QLD, WA, SA, NT and ACT are all ALP lead governments and I don't see them drowning as you put it.

It's clearly not the fact that it's ALP that is the issue in VIC. When the inquiry into this comes down it might point to DHHS Victoria, it might point to issues with Government Department or it might just point to ******* shitty behavior by people in the hotels and at home.

You want to lay all of that at the feet of the ALP, its all you talk about, you don't give two shits about the reality of the situation you just want to scream blue murder at the guy you don't like.

Am I happy with what's going on in Vic at the moment? No I'm not. Am I interested in whether the Vic government has f’ed up yes I am. But I'm not automatically sayings it is like you and I'm not acting like its a ******* football team and the coach needs to be fired so they can start winning which is just stupid

Again you've not given me any solid details about why NSW is better other than because it is and because its not ALP run. So go find the evidence to prove your point or shut the fu** up

The NSW police commissioner manages the states quarantine process, that is a fact.

And, no it's not about the ALP, if it was the LNP and these stuff ups happened then I would be saying the exact same thing.

I have, on a number of times given Mark Mcgowan props, he is a good military man and most military vets are regimented and processed driven with discipline and that shines through in his leadership. What does Daniel portray when he talks? How is his leadership perceived? Corruption, scandals, complete and total feck ups with an array of Covid related issues. Why didn't his union bogan mates get fined yesterday? He should be locked up.

 

[tige19]

Another win for Andrews.. How incompetent can one Gov be? Let a guy out who is infectious, goes to Sydney, works and tests positive. You can't make this up.

Infectious man released from Victorian quarantine sparks health scare at NSW Woolworths

At least 50 Woolworths co-workers have been placed in self-isolation after the man returned to work.

7news.com.au

 

[Hawk Dork]

Another win for Andrews.. How incompetent can one Gov be? Let a guy out who is infectious, goes to Sydney, works and tests positive. You can't make this up.

Infectious man released from Victorian quarantine sparks health scare at NSW Woolworths

At least 50 Woolworths co-workers have been placed in self-isolation after the man returned to work.

7news.com.au

NSW Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant said with “an abundance of caution” they are treating the man as infectious despite the level being “very low”.

“The level of virus detected was very, very low and what this may reflect is just the tail end of the infection,” she said.

Tests arent 100% accurate

and apparently Dan didnt make the test or decipher the results

 

[tige19]

NSW Chief Health Officer Dr Kerry Chant said with “an abundance of caution” they are treating the man as infectious despite the level being “very low”.

“The level of virus detected was very, very low and what this may reflect is just the tail end of the infection,” she said.

Tests arent 100% accurate

and apparently Dan didnt make the test or decipher the results

Regardless of the outcome we let an infectious person leave quarantine.. what a shambles

 

[Hawk Dork]

Regardless of the outcome we let an infectious person leave quarantine.. what a shambles

I would say there is a criteria and he met it
That criteria probably needs to be looked at and adjusted for the future

 

[MightyHawks]

Regardless of the outcome we let an infectious person leave quarantine.. what a shambles

I would say there is a criteria and he met it
That criteria probably needs to be looked at and adjusted for the future

NSW weren't critical of what VIC did. Guess it' in line with how NSW would have been handling things too