COVID-19 / Coronavirus

[Argy]

Which is one of the biggest concerns - that we end up fighting something that's worse than we currently are dealing with.

Absolutely. An infectious diseases expert said last night on the tv that the best we can possibly hope for is a vaccine (most likely from either the US or UK) to be proven by November/December. By the time we can manufacture a couple of billion doses it will be December, 2021. By then the virus will have had ample time to mutate.

We are continually in catch-up mode. There is no guarantee that a vaccine, even if found, will be effective in the long term. We could have anual Corona virus outbreaks as it mutates like the normal flu.

 

[tige19]

I mean people get banned for breaking site rules but if what you said about having liberal viewpoints was true you'd not be posting right now would you

So Taita can go on a tangent and abuse people, including me, calling me all sorts of names and what exactly did you Gralin? Do tell

 

[tige19]

Which is one of the biggest concerns - that we end up fighting something that's worse than we currently are dealing with.

Have fatality rates increased? This scaremongering BS once again... Any virus can "possibly" mutate and become more infectious, does that mean it becomes more deadly or sinister?

Does anyone want to do a test study on the fatality rates in the US over the last 2-4 weeks? Or Australia? Or Italy? Or Spain? Or Germany? Cmon, who here would undertake it?

 

[tige19]

COVID Data Tracker Weekly Review

The week’s key data, narrative interpretations, & visualizations.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Brishawk]

Bris, you're categorically fos. The issue has been the handling (or lack thereof) of the quarantine protocols and that's that. The country knows, the media knows, the bloody international news know. Whether you like it or not, the ALP, Andrews and his pathetically performed health team have embarrassed the state and have enforced lockdowns on 300k citizens they represent and killed thousands of local traders. They should be held to account in a court of law.

You can’t even make up your mind about whether or not ‘dictator dan’ has been too restrictive or too flexible.

Human compliance is the weakness for all approaches unless you want to weld people into homes. It is a handful of individuals in that breached the rules responsible for the government shutting down some suburbs.

Australia is the envy of the world. You should be very thankful for the generally very good handling by the state and federal governments across the board.

 

[MightyHawks]

Have fatality rates increased? This scaremongering BS once again... Any virus can "possibly" mutate and become more infectious, does that mean it becomes more deadly or sinister?

Does anyone want to do a test study on the fatality rates in the US over the last 2-4 weeks? Or Australia? Or Italy? Or Spain? Or Germany? Cmon, who here would undertake it?

What is an acceptable fatality rate?

lets say it's 0.5% and everyone gets it - that's 125,000 dead in Australia

Ok most of them are older people or sick with something else so maybe it's just bringing forward most of these deaths by 6 months - 2 years anyway

Lets say you accept that and go ok we'll take the 125,000 and move on.

But if the 99.5% surviving haven't built up lasting immunity, then do we get the same death rate again and again and again?

Which is the problem with what Sweden have done - if there's no lasting immunity than herd immunity is unachievable

 

[Brishawk]

COVID Data Tracker Weekly Review

The week’s key data, narrative interpretations, & visualizations.

www.cdc.gov

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Do you think this is because social restrictions have been effective in limiting the growth of cases and isolating vulnerable people?

 

[Hawk Dork]

So just trying to get a grip on the narrative here
Is it a hoax ?
Are we locking down too hard for a hoax ?
Are we not locking down enough because its real ?
A few idiots not doing what their told are the direct result of bad leadership ? in a hoax or real situation ?


Maybe if you picked one scenario and tried to be consistent that would make reading this thread a lot easier

 

[phlogiston]

Stop protecting Dan, his government went down the path of hiring contractors when other states did not. NSW quarantine was run by the Police commissioner, Mr. Andrews looks like a complete and utter twat, he has not only embarrassed his state but his oversight has led to thousands of businesses being shut down and 300k people being locked in again. He is a pure piece of sh*t.

But I thought the private sector was better than the public sector? More efficient, more effective. That's what I've been told for years now.

 

[Gralin]

So Taita can go on a tangent and abuse people, including me, calling me all sorts of names and what exactly did you Gralin? Do tell

Well I'm not a mod so I didn't do anything. Did you report the offending posts?

 

[tige19]

You can’t even make up your mind about whether or not ‘dictator dan’ has been too restrictive or too flexible.

Human compliance is the weakness for all approaches unless you want to weld people into homes. It is a handful of individuals in that breached the rules responsible for the government shutting down some suburbs.

Australia is the envy of the world. You should be very thankful for the generally very good handling by the state and federal governments across the board.

The lockdowns were necessary, of course. Now, you expect that the State Government is apt enough to ensure they have correct protocols in place to successfully implement and execute all facets of the lockdown, just like every other state has managed to do. Victoria has been abysmal and there is 1 person who heads the state, he has 2 key personnel who have been involved and all 3 should go.

 

[phlogiston]

You know 2c of bugger all of expats in NY Phil, don't overstate your social network.

This coming form the poster who generalized the behaviour of all Aussie expats based on his direct knowledge of 6 people? Give me a break!

 

[Kanga Commando]

Well I'm not a mod so I didn't do anything. Did you report the offending posts?

I did. For the same reason tige19 mentioned.... that guy is holding on way too tight...

 

[Davo23]

Don;t be so cocksure...

The coronavirus may have mutated to become more infectious, Dr. Anthony Fauci says

The coronavirus may have mutated to become more infectious, Dr. Anthony Fauci says

"The data is showing there's a single mutation that makes the virus be able to replicate better and maybe have high viral loads," Fauci said in an interview.

www.cnbc.com

Yes, I'm with you because you've quoted a medical source, not a political source.

Those quoting politicians from either side of politics should just shut the **** up!

 

[Brishawk]

The lockdowns were necessary, of course. Now, you expect that the State Government is apt enough to ensure they have correct protocols in place to successfully implement and execute all facets of the lockdown, just like every other state has managed to do. Victoria has been abysmal and there is 1 person who heads the state, he has 2 key personnel who have been involved and all 3 should go.

Again, the cause of the spread of the virus is people breaching the protocols, not a flaw in the protocols. If you want out of this situation you need people to comply. Why give non-compilers an easy out?

 

[tige19]

Again, the cause of the spread of the virus is people breaching the protocols, not a flaw in the protocols. If you want out of this situation you need people to comply. Why give non-compilers an easy out?

There was a systemic floor in the protocol, are you living under a rock Bris? Our state handed the quarantine responsibility to private security firms who had little to no training, who then went and spread the virus through the community. You're telling me this was the right initiative? Which other state used private firms? Further to that, when the VIC Gov initially released the outcomes of breaches, in lieu of handing the responsibility over to VICPOL or the ADF (as was offered) they instead hired another firm who further bungled the operation.

Go ahead, please give me the reasoning as to how on earth this was not a protocol fluff up of a catastrophic nature?

 

[Kanga Commando]

Again, the cause of the spread of the virus is people breaching the protocols, not a flaw in the protocols. If you want out of this situation you need people to comply. Why give non-compilers an easy out?

It might be hard to say which protocols were breached in which way, until we know what & how they were communicated.. The media are talking about guards with 5 minutes of training... That's not a protocol in my book... But i am happy to wait and see what the inquiry says.

 

[Hawk Dork]

There was a systemic floor in the protocol, are you living under a rock Bris? Our state handed the quarantine responsibility to private security firms who had little to no training, who then went and spread the virus through the community. You're telling me this was the right initiative? Which other state used private firms? Further to that, when the VIC Gov initially released the outcomes of breaches, in lieu of handing the responsibility over to VICPOL or the ADF (as was offered) they instead hired another firm who further bungled the operation.

Go ahead, please give me the reasoning as to how on earth this was not a protocol fluff up of a catastrophic nature?

Are you against privitisation and would have prefered a communist style lock down ?

 

[Gralin]

We've now got 23 in hospital and 6 in ICU

A couple of days ago that was 9 and 1

 

[CD Xbow]

So Taita can go on a tangent and abuse people, including me, calling me all sorts of names and what exactly did you Gralin? Do tell

Have fatality rates increased? This scaremongering BS once again... Any virus can "possibly" mutate and become more infectious, does that mean it becomes more deadly or sinister?

Does anyone want to do a test study on the fatality rates in the US over the last 2-4 weeks? Or Australia? Or Italy? Or Spain? Or Germany? Cmon, who here would undertake it?

I think it's partly most of the obvious stupidity and pollicization regarding Covid-19 has come from the popularist right. The USA is a good example, as is Brazil and even UK's Boris, 'lets go for herd immunity'. To me the very definition of stupidity is to politicise masks and encourage folks to engage in dangerous activities during a serious pandemic. That's terrible leadership. Be glad you are Australian and be glad our leaders could get together and organise an effective response.

Many of those folks on the right then bag Dan for a variety of reasons (as you do, often conflicting, as pointed out in earlier post), forgetting we have had an effective response in Australia. Yes, there have been failings, the Ruby Princess in NSW and the quarantine arrangements in hotels in Victoria. It's also inevitable that there will be further outbreaks, but we have systems in place to deal with them. However personal responsibility remains the key what ever the government does.

Anyone who says 'scaremongering' has to explain to me how concern about a virus which has killed 130,000 plus Americans (more than US deaths in WWI) and is likely to kill more than 200,000 over the next 6 months is not a a scary issue. It also shows ignorance of the true effects of Covid 19, it's not just deaths. For every death in ICU there will be at around the same number who have serious long term complications, eg strokes, cognitive decline, dead legs, stuffed lungs etc. These will tend to be younger because the old folks who get these complications will simply die. So the burden of disease is much greater than the deaths.

It's almost impossible to talk meaningfully about case fatality rates at this time. It's also pretty irrelevant when you have a disease which has become so prevalent.

 

[Gralin]

I think it's partly most of the obvious stupidity and pollicization regarding Covid-19 has come from the popularist right. The USA is a good example, as is Brazil and even UK's Boris, 'lets go for herd immunity'. To me the very definition of stupidity is to politicise masks and encourage folks to engage in dangerous activities during a serious pandemic. That's terrible leadership. Be glad you are Australian and be glad our leaders could get together and organise an effective response.

Many of those folks on the right then bag Dan for a variety of reasons (as you do, often conflicting, as pointed out in earlier post), forgetting we have had an effective response in Australia. Yes, there have been failings, the Ruby Princess in NSW and the quarantine arrangements in hotels in Victoria. It's also inevitable that there will be further outbreaks, but we have systems in place to deal with them. However personal responsibility remains the key what ever the government does.

Anyone who says 'scaremongering' has to explain to me how concern about a virus which has killed 130,000 plus Americans (more than US deaths in WWI) and is likely to kill more than 200,000 over the next 6 months is not a a scary issue. It also shows ignorance of the true effects of Covid 19, it's not just deaths. For every death in ICU there will be at around the same number who have serious long term complications, eg strokes, cognitive decline, dead legs, stuffed lungs etc. These will tend to be younger because the old folks who get these complications will simply die. So the burden of disease is much greater than the deaths.

It's almost impossible to talk meaningfully about case fatality rates at this time. It's also pretty irrelevant when you have a disease which has become so prevalent.

People seem to think if you don't die from it you will be 100% fine and that only people that were going to die anyway in the next couple of years are dying from this.

I also find the it's just the flu comment funny, I wonder how many of those people have actually had the flu, whether they remembered all the people who died from the flu last year, a lot of who weren't just old sick people.

 

[tige19]

I think it's partly most of the obvious stupidity and pollicization regarding Covid-19 has come from the popularist right. The USA is a good example, as is Brazil and even UK's Boris, 'lets go for herd immunity'. To me the very definition of stupidity is to politicise masks and encourage folks to engage in dangerous activities during a serious pandemic. That's terrible leadership. Be glad you are Australian and be glad our leaders could get together and organise an effective response.

Many of those folks on the right then bag Dan for a variety of reasons (as you do, often conflicting, as pointed out in earlier post), forgetting we have had an effective response in Australia. Yes, there have been failings, the Ruby Princess in NSW and the quarantine arrangements in hotels in Victoria. It's also inevitable that there will be further outbreaks, but we have systems in place to deal with them. However personal responsibility remains the key what ever the government does.

Anyone who says 'scaremongering' has to explain to me how concern about a virus which has killed 130,000 plus Americans (more than US deaths in WWI) and is likely to kill more than 200,000 over the next 6 months is not a a scary issue. It also shows ignorance of the true effects of Covid 19, it's not just deaths. For every death in ICU there will be at around the same number who have serious long term complications, eg strokes, cognitive decline, dead legs, stuffed lungs etc. These will tend to be younger because the old folks who get these complications will simply die. So the burden of disease is much greater than the deaths.

It's almost impossible to talk meaningfully about case fatality rates at this time. It's also pretty irrelevant when you have a disease which has become so prevalent.

Do show me the data and science proving this as factual?

 

[brew]

I did. For the same reason tige19 mentioned.... that guy is holding on way too tight...

It's dependent if you align with the mods narrative.

If the mods not offended.. it's then classified as non-offensive even if it's offensive to others.


"I call "fascism" any doctrine that, whether admittedly or not, pursues the devaluation of the individual, in such a way that the individual becomes nothing, or else something insignificant or bad and henceforth its suppression seems legitimate"

-Michael Henry- From Communism to Capitalism: Theory of a Catastrophe

 

[Brishawk]

Do show me the data and science proving this as factual?

You called the severity of COVID-19 a fraud...what possible evidence will satisfy you?

 

[Kanga Commando]

It's dependent if you align with the mods narrative.

If the mods not offended.. it's then classified as non-offensive even if it's offensive to others.


"I call "fascism" any doctrine that, whether admittedly or not, pursues the devaluation of the individual, in such a way that the individual becomes nothing, or else something insignificant or bad and henceforth its suppression seems legitimate"

-Michael Henry- From Communism to Capitalism: Theory of a Catastrophe

Makes sense.

The "narrative" is probably subject to change over time...