Certified Legendary Thread Covid, Life, UFOs, Food, & Wordle :(

[Ulahoopski]

Just another case of authorities wanting to be seen to be doing something about a problem that cant be stopped. Meanwhile, public transport goes on. Catering to humans irrational fears. Anyone could contract covid from ONE individual they talk to in the street. Just because theres 80000 people at an event doesn't mean you're in direct contact with 79999 others. Insane over reaction by authority based on fear.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

GWS have the flag in the bag. They’d be use to playing in front of empty stadiums.


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Boy, I was wrong. That comment didn't become funnier the 150th time I heard it.

 

[soreplums]

I think the season should be played as an e-Sports competition.

Every team selects one player per round to pick up a controller of the Nintendo and play the 90’s AFL game against an opponent from the opposition according to the fixture.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Just another case of authorities wanting to be seen to be doing something about a problem that cant be stopped. Meanwhile, public transport goes on. Catering to humans irrational fears. Anyone could contract covid from ONE individual they talk to in the street. Just because theres 80000 people at an event doesn't mean you're in direct contact with 79999 others. Insane over reaction by authority based on fear.

No it is not.

It's about flattening the curve so we don't see an influx of cases all at once to the extent our health system cannot cope.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Is there a chance that it might be too late when we finally cotton on that this things serious?

Just for clarification, I do understand the reasons against shutting up shop completely. I'm just really concerned.

Financially, I have never more greatly appreciated the seriousness of a situation. My life feels very much under threat, but the actual virus is currently playing second fiddle to the hit to my hip pocket.

I worry about the likes of my Thai friend in a provincial prison near Bangkok who has suffered two severe bouts of tuberculosis during his seven years inside. With prisoners locked in large groups of up to 300 people in a confined space for 14 hours a day, my friend is as likely as anyone I know to die from the virus. Relatives on a 10 minute visit now have to wear a mask and have their temperature checked despite being totally separated from the prisoners by a glass partition.

Perhaps you are echoing the provocative thoughts of the Thai health minister who has warned Thais to steer clear of foreigners because they 'dress shabbily, don't shower and don't wear masks like 90% of Thai people'. He claimed that Europeans were fleeing the viruses and the cold in their own countries. He suggested that Westerners had closed off their countries and were avoiding each other.

The comments were somewhat insulting and unbecoming of a government minister, but there is probably no doubt that Asians, as evidenced by the Chinese lockdown program, are more programmed in their ability to adopt appropriate behaviours in situations such as this. By comparison, the USA, Australia and many European countries have not adopted the same level of group and personal protective behaviours and practices. We may need to be shocked into taking the virus seriously to significantly change our behaviour and routines.

 

[sr36]

I don't understand why the competition should be abandoned if the games are played in empty stadiums. Sure it will be weird and lack some atmosphere, but I can't think of anything I would rather do next Friday than watch the Pies on TV. Any group of workmates could infect each other with a virus, so I see no reason for teams to stop playing each other. Inevitably someone is going to contract the virus and a decision will need to be made regarding future games. In the meantime, if the AFL is OK with crowdless spectacles, then let's get the season underway.

I agree with you, but if they do call it off, they could justify it by the level of contact with others involved in a footballers occupation being far greater than it is for most other workmates.

 

[sr36]

Is there a chance that it might be too late when we finally cotton on that this things serious?

Just for clarification, I do understand the reasons against shutting up shop completely. I'm just really concerned.

Perfectly understandable. We all should be concerned. However, I think the only thing I have actually learnt from the multitude of coaches press conferences that I've watched over the years, is the Malthouse and now Buckley mantra of only worrying about the things we have control over. Ultimately, in this scenario, we have control over our own personal hygiene.

 

[Ulahoopski]

No it is not.

It's about flattening the curve so we don't see an influx of cases all at once to the extent our health system cannot cope.

The curve won't be flattened by banning crowds. Only by people being sensible about personal hygiene and taking responsibility for limiting human contact if they have symptoms.

 

[Visions]

I can see this season being cancelled and made null and void in the end.
Will start off playing in front of no crowds but eventually a player will be infected with the virus meaning they will suspend the season for a few games, which will then become ongoing as more players become infected until finally the only option is to call the season off.

 

[Kappa]

I can see this season being cancelled and made null and void in the end.
Will start off playing in front of no crowds but eventually a player will be infected with the virus meaning they will suspend the season for a few games, which will then become ongoing as more players become infected until finally the only option is to call the season off.

That is the inevitable outcome unfortunately. I'll be surprised if we even make it through round 1 without someone at a club being diagnosed.

 

[jmac70]

I think the season will end up being postponed.

 

[Finnishpie]

I definitely don't think it's a joke, but I am impressed with the speed in which the world has reacted and therefore am optimistic that it will be contained and won't become the doomsday scenario which some people believe it will be.
Of course time will tell but my gut feeling is things will return to normal sooner rather than later.

Yeah, um, not really. The President of the US said it was nothing to worry about. Iran basically denied the problem for quite a while. So not really that quick. Even Australia didn't really act that quickly.

Main thing now is for a lot of money to go into health -- at least the Chinese got that right, building entirely new hospitals in a week or two.

Here though, the Government hates public health care and health care workers, underpays them, so you know, expect them to be having breakdowns from overwork and exhaustion.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

I think the season will end up being postponed.

After round 1, which again l don't see why they are bothering to commence the season next week.
Players will be competing next week, body contact, players perspiration exchanged to each other, players getting accidentally scratched in tackles etc. Could we see a spike in players contracting the virus after next week, over the coming weeks?
Would have been better to delay the start, see where, as a nation, we are with the spread of the virus after 4 to 5 weeks, and then re-assess the season from there.
What would happen if some players refuse to play, because they don't want to be potentially infected, in turn infecting their families?

 

[Vicky Park]

Would be just like us to win it this year, and have opposition fans forever taunt us about our ‘tainted’ flag, can’t be counted, wasn’t won in a proper season etc.

Still, playing out a footy season seems a trivial matter in the face of this virus and it’s potential impacts.

Also makes a change to hear ScoMo deferring to the medical experts, even taking their advice! Apparently they are more ‘expert’ than climate scientists.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I think the season will end up being postponed.

The entire season?

I think some parts of it maybe, but by June/July we should be reasonably ok

 

[The Royal Sampler]

That is the inevitable outcome unfortunately. I'll be surprised if we even make it through round 1 without someone at a club being diagnosed.

It’s going to make the heat map much more relevant during games. “The players out on the members’ wing have hit 38.5 degrees, so the umpire has given the signal for the quarantine rule!”

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Would be just like us to win it this year, and have opposition fans forever taunt us about our ‘tainted’ flag, can’t be counted, wasn’t won in a proper season etc.

I would LOVE that. It would be like the challenge system in the 20’s. So many salty tears.

Also we could direct Carltank supporters to their asterisked 1995 flag where all the players received their salaries in a paper bag from a shell company in the Caymans.

 

[manicpie]

I think the season will end up being postponed.

Noooooooooooo

 

[Kawenda]

Yeah, um, not really. The President of the US said it was nothing to worry about. Iran basically denied the problem for quite a while. So not really that quick. Even Australia didn't really act that quickly.

Main thing now is for a lot of money to go into health -- at least the Chinese got that right, building entirely new hospitals in a week or two.

Here though, the Government hates public health care and health care workers, underpays them, so you know, expect them to be having breakdowns from overwork and exhaustion.

England is basically conscripting private gp's and nurses to the public health service.

We will likely do the same.

 

[ottoman]

Yeah, um, not really. The President of the US said it was nothing to worry about. Iran basically denied the problem for quite a while. So not really that quick. Even Australia didn't really act that quickly.

Main thing now is for a lot of money to go into health -- at least the Chinese got that right, building entirely new hospitals in a week or two.

Here though, the Government hates public health care and health care workers, underpays them, so you know, expect them to be having breakdowns from overwork and exhaustion.

Mate it's been 2 months since this thing really started happening.
I don't care what he or she said or this or that side of politics.
Stuff is happening at a really rapid rate and in political terms for that to happen in 2 months is a quick response. Normally these political basterds set up committees and research groups and discuss how it will affect their supporter base and blah blah blah and for years nothing is done.
I hate politicians as much as the next guy but let's give them credit where credit is due. They are taking decisive action. Action which they know is going to cause economic problems but are taking steps regardless.

 

[Finnishpie]

Mate it's been 2 months since this thing really started happening.
I don't care what he or she said or this or that side of politics.
Stuff is happening at a really rapid rate and in political terms for that to happen in 2 months is a quick response. Normally these political basterds set up committees and research groups and discuss how it will affect their supporter base and blah blah blah and for years nothing is done.
I hate politicians as much as the next guy but let's give them credit where credit is due. They are taking decisive action. Action which they know is going to cause economic problems but are taking steps regardless.

Yeah, it could have been a lot worse, you're right. Part of the problem is that leaders have competing interests. Public health versus economic interests (mostly corporate) -- and the latter conflict with the former a whole lot of ways. So it slows down the response. Things like this stimulus package will do nothing to fight the virus, say, but will increase "demand" and supposedly kickstart the economy. If that money, or some of it, went into properly funding public hospitals, we'd be better prepared. In Italy, doctors have been choosing who to "save" -- guidelines state they should treat it like decisions made during war. I.e., some people (older) are just not going to get treatment. You save the young and healthy. In Western countries, where there's a flood of wealth, that's abhorrent.

A shortage of medical supplies and hospital beds in Italy is forcing doctors to choose which coronavirus patients to save — and they're said to be choosing the young.

As numbers of coronavirus cases continue to rise in Italy, doctors are forced to chose who to save. The young and otherwise healthy are a priority.

www.businessinsider.com.au

 

[ottoman]

Yeah, it could have been a lot worse, you're right. Part of the problem is that leaders have competing interests. Public health versus economic interests (mostly corporate) -- and the latter conflict with the former a whole lot of ways. So it slows down the response. Things like this stimulus package will do nothing to fight the virus, say, but will increase "demand" and supposedly kickstart the economy. If that money, or some of it, went into properly funding public hospitals, we'd be better prepared. In Italy, doctors have been choosing who to "save" -- guidelines state they should treat it like decisions made during war. I.e., some people (older) are just not going to get treatment. You save the young and healthy. In Western countries, where there's a flood of wealth, that's abhorrent.

A shortage of medical supplies and hospital beds in Italy is forcing doctors to choose which coronavirus patients to save — and they're said to be choosing the young.

As numbers of coronavirus cases continue to rise in Italy, doctors are forced to chose who to save. The young and otherwise healthy are a priority.

www.businessinsider.com.au

It is abhorrent. No arguments from me. And many political questions are going to need to be asked. But...right now they are reacting. They are not sitting on their hands. Lets support them while for the first time in their lives they are actually acting and once we get over this start asking questions about how it could have been done or prepared for better.
Now is not the time to play the political game. Once it's under control then we start demanding answers.
Right now is the time to beat this thing. We have plenty of time to demand accountability later.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Mate it's been 2 months since this thing really started happening.
I don't care what he or she said or this or that side of politics.
Stuff is happening at a really rapid rate and in political terms for that to happen in 2 months is a quick response. Normally these political basterds set up committees and research groups and discuss how it will affect their supporter base and blah blah blah and for years nothing is done.
I hate politicians as much as the next guy but let's give them credit where credit is due. They are taking decisive action. Action which they know is going to cause economic problems but are taking steps regardless.

I agree O-man. We could easily have proceeded with Grand Prix, Footy, etc. until in 2 weeks time we discover there are an additional 200-300 infections which then spikes to 2000. Happened in Italy exactly this way. Much happier to be proactive, in fact it would be prudent to impose a lockdown for the next fortnight including a travel lockdown (still let flights through but screen everyone coming in). It sounds hyper-sensitive but we're dealing with a virus that has no rules of engagement.

 

[ottoman]

I agree O-man. We could easily have proceeded with Grand Prix, Footy, etc. until in 2 weeks time we discover there are an additional 200-300 infections which then spikes to 2000. Happened in Italy exactly this way. Much happier to be proactive, in fact it would be prudent to impose a lockdown for the next fortnight including a travel lockdown (still let flights through but screen everyone coming in). It sounds hyper-sensitive but we're dealing with a virus that has no rules of engagement.

Yep. Better to be safe than sorry right.

By the way I think I shot you once but I swear I didn't shoot your deputy.

 

[sideswipe]

Yeah, it could have been a lot worse, you're right. Part of the problem is that leaders have competing interests. Public health versus economic interests (mostly corporate) -- and the latter conflict with the former a whole lot of ways. So it slows down the response. Things like this stimulus package will do nothing to fight the virus, say, but will increase "demand" and supposedly kickstart the economy. If that money, or some of it, went into properly funding public hospitals, we'd be better prepared. In Italy, doctors have been choosing who to "save" -- guidelines state they should treat it like decisions made during war. I.e., some people (older) are just not going to get treatment. You save the young and healthy. In Western countries, where there's a flood of wealth, that's abhorrent.

A shortage of medical supplies and hospital beds in Italy is forcing doctors to choose which coronavirus patients to save — and they're said to be choosing the young.

As numbers of coronavirus cases continue to rise in Italy, doctors are forced to chose who to save. The young and otherwise healthy are a priority.

www.businessinsider.com.au

Sadly, triage decisions will be a fact of life in a health crisis. With nothing other than a hunch I am guessing if there had been greater spending on public hospitals over the last X amount of years it likely wouldn’t have included an increase in the current circa 250 ICU beds across Victoria to a level that might be needed soon.


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