Resource COVID19 V - The Info Thread
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I've backed WA's response the whole way through, and the results speak for themselves, but once you're at 80% boosted (and it will get higher because the workplace vaccination mandate isn't going away) it's really hard to justify retaining restrictions when hospitalisation and ICU rates are under control and well below predictions. So I feel they've made the right call again.
This isn't a Wuhan or Delta strain ripping through an unvaccinated population situation.
Will be interesting to see how responsible people really are though. Staying home when sick etc. Before covid you'd have your "heroes" coming into work coughing and spluttering everywhere like the campaigners they are, boasting about how much sick leave they've accumulated while infecting everyone else. K. Hunts.
And then there's the whole issue of how businesses will treat their casual employees who get sick.
I hope things have changed, but I doubt it. Campaigners gonna campaign.
This isn't a Wuhan or Delta strain ripping through an unvaccinated population situation.
Will be interesting to see how responsible people really are though. Staying home when sick etc. Before covid you'd have your "heroes" coming into work coughing and spluttering everywhere like the campaigners they are, boasting about how much sick leave they've accumulated while infecting everyone else. K. Hunts.
And then there's the whole issue of how businesses will treat their casual employees who get sick.
I hope things have changed, but I doubt it. Campaigners gonna campaign.
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the good thing out of this whole pandemic has allowed for flexibility even in industries where if you ever mentioned it youd be ridiculed or shunned (i'm looking at you construction)
it was indirectly encouraged back in the day to come into work even sick. thank god thats out the window now. I'll work from home now if i have a cold.
it was indirectly encouraged back in the day to come into work even sick. thank god thats out the window now. I'll work from home now if i have a cold.
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not in my office unfortunately (construction) - taking sick leave VERY MUCH frowned upon, and WFH non existent
Still adjusting in my office (construction) but yes it's gone from the bosses outright assuming how someone has chucked a sickie when they don't come in to the rest of us workers telling someone jokingly to get their Covid out of the office if they have a cough or a sneeze.
It was long overdue. We're still behind on the WFH thing. If I randomly woke up sick I don't really have the ability to just remote in. Would need to drive in and grab a spare computer and screen to get anything meaningful done. Best I could achieve otherwise is responding to emails.
Oh yeah, the loss of productivity because everyone gets legitimately sick because workplace culture expects them to work through it vs the productivity lost because of "sickies" would be ridiculous, yet the focus is on stamping out sickies and looking down on people using their entitled sick leave.
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People are stupid. Once we believe something, we don't budge from a position easily even when the evidence is overwhelming.
The war on drugs has been going on for 60 odd years? Everytime the drugs score a goal, we double down on the same gameplan
Feels a lot like the war on drugs is run by the west coast administration & coaching staff
People are stupid. Once we believe something, we don't budge from a position easily even when the evidence is overwhelming.
The war on drugs has been going on for 60 odd years? Everytime the drugs score a goal, we double down on the same gameplan
Feels a lot like the war on drugs is run by the west coast administration & coaching staff
Ben, do you take drugs?
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I didn't think so. Run along you little scamp!
While I agree with you , 50 people a day or thereabouts are dying of covid every day in Australia.
It seems to have been swept under the carpet but it is still a high price to pay for opening up.
I get that we can't do any more re vaccinations and life has to get back to something approaching normalcy it just seems to me the people dying are being written off as collateral damage.
What's the alternative? The vaccine development seems to have stalled as has the treatments. Virus isn't going away, so everyone is getting it eventually. These people aren't dying because the hospitals were too overloaded to treat them, so it was just bad luck that they weren't able to survive it.
You can't save everyone.
An overwhelming majority of these people were likely to pass away of something else in the near future.
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In my opinion the more important stat at this stage is that of those 50people how many were excess deaths. In Jan 22 we saw an excess of about 20% when omicron swept through the east coast.
Agree that the narrative has changed, this is partly political and partly peoples attention span/care factor.
Keen for the stats gurus to give us that number. Find it hard to believe it's as high as 20% here, but I don't know.
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I have seen this one:
Provisional Mortality Statistics, Jan - Aug 2024
Provisional deaths data for measuring changes in patterns of mortality
www.abs.gov.au
That's the ABS Australia wide, my emphasis. I assume WA was pretty much 0 during this period and I haven't seen anything for WA specifically, particularly not for March or April.
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Must be different science in the ACT to the other states that are still clinging to these rules.
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ACT also has the highest vaccine coverage of all jurisdictions in Australia so it makes sense to start removing mandates. I expect the rest of Australia (including WA) to gradually follow as vaccine coverage approaches ACT levels - it hit 93% of all residents being fully vaccinated in February.
Just 1 per cent of eligible Canberrans are unvaccinated as the capital becomes one of world's most-vaccinated cities
ACT residents were the quickest in Australia to get vaccinated, which means their community's protection may be waning faster than elsewhere.
www.abc.net.au
There is nothing in that article or elsewhere to suggest vaccine mandates would never be reintroduced when that percentage drops.
I mean it's obvious to anyone who looked at our vaccination rates at the start of the strollout, and saw how the outer suburbs lagged badly compared to the inner city, and the regions lagged badly compared to the outer suburbs, but still:
If only everyone was a well educated rich kent, then we wouldn't need mandates.
If only everyone was a well educated rich kent, then we wouldn't need mandates.
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3rd dose rate is nearly identical for ACT and WA, yet industry rules for mandates are very different.ACT also has the highest vaccine coverage of all jurisdictions in Australia so it makes sense to start removing mandates. I expect the rest of Australia (including WA) to gradually follow as vaccine coverage approaches ACT levels - it hit 93% of all residents being fully vaccinated in February.
Just 1 per cent of eligible Canberrans are unvaccinated as the capital becomes one of world's most-vaccinated cities
ACT residents were the quickest in Australia to get vaccinated, which means their community's protection may be waning faster than elsewhere.
There is nothing in that article or elsewhere to suggest vaccine mandates would never be reintroduced when that percentage drops.
2nd dose rate is about 2% higher in ACT, but really what difference does that make when most 2nd doses were months ago and for earlier variants.
COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia | covid19data.com.au
Data tracking of COVID-19 vaccines in Australia including doses and populations with state and territory breakdowns. Embeddable visualisations.
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77.2% of peeps eligible to have their booster in the ACT have had it vs 84.1% of eligible Western Australians.
So I guess if you want booster levels as high as two dose levels, you probably do need mandates.
So I guess if you want booster levels as high as two dose levels, you probably do need mandates.
It's interesting that no-one has talked about what happens to mandates when people hit the 12 month point from their first vaccine. The current ruling says you have to be "fully vaccinated" which will require you to get a 4th dose (if we announce it becomes an annual requirement - again no confirmation of that but it is likely). The questions is whether the public will accept that vaccine mandates can keep running indefinitely.
I've always thought they were a crude way to get people to comply, but hindsight says they helped drive a great result. I'm not comfortable with the idea that it is an ongoing thing now that COVID has spread and we already have a high vaccine rate. If COVID mutates to a vastly different strain and we need new vaccines (as far as I know they haven't changed vaccines yet), then I'm happy to revisit it, but that's not the case right now.
I'm guessing after 12 months everyone will have had their two shots + booster and/or will have caught it, achieving herd immunity, and it'll become like the flu with seasonal mutations and annual boosters. Booked in for my flu shot in a couple of weeks.
I can't see it becoming a rolling mandate but hopefully we'll see higher uptakes of the flu shot (which I'm hoping will be become a combined flu/covid shot). At least, until everyone becomes complacent again.
I can't see it becoming a rolling mandate but hopefully we'll see higher uptakes of the flu shot (which I'm hoping will be become a combined flu/covid shot). At least, until everyone becomes complacent again.
I think this is likely too. If so, the mandates probably end at the end of the year at latest.
