Cricket Discussion - Part 2

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Wouldn't it be a feat similar to rugby football? If I am not mistaken, it wouldn't be uncommon for players that excel in one code (either union, league, or seven) to struggle in another. I imagine that test, one-day, and T20 cricket could demand some different set of skills.
T20 is evolving because it's a relatively new game and its only really 15 years old and 6 or 7 years really seriously played in Oz. 3 or 4 years ago spinners and leg spinners in particular, looked like they had no place in T20 teams, but now leg spinners are dominating and every team plays one.

Warner played T20 for Australia and ODI's before he played red ball cricket for New South Wales. But he adapted took a couple of years, and is a fantastic Test player. 6 to 8 of the Test team will play ODI's and T20 for Australia.

With the cricket schedule so full these days the best Test players only really play regular T20 cricket in the Indian Premier League comp that runs early April to late may. The Big Bash league runs whilst the last 3 tests are on and there is no red ball cricket played at state level for 6 weeks. There isn't a lot of T20 played at international level, mainly because of the tight schedule and every country wants to play a T20 local comp because its big and lucrative. See graph below

T20 and ODI players are similar ie have to be able to bowl short tight spots, be a very good fieldsmen and be able to hit big shots and score quickly. There are some plays who are young enough, fit enough and good enough to play all 3 forms.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22041342/afghanistan-premier-league-slated-october-2018

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Why has Aaron Finch never been given the opportunity to open at Test level? It's not like we haven't seen half a dozen players rotated through that position over the last few years. His innings yesterday was patient and well constructed.
 
Why has Aaron Finch never been given the opportunity to open at Test level? It's not like we haven't seen half a dozen players rotated through that position over the last few years. His innings yesterday was patient and well constructed.
Since Warner last batted with Chris Rodgers in 2015 who has opened long term rather than the odd innings here and there like Khawaja and Maxwell in India?

Joe Burns, Matt Renshaw, Shaun Marsh, Cam Bancroftt. Anyone else? He hasn't banged down the door at shield level saying pick me. He only averages about 36 at first class level. Looking at his shield average is poor at 30.76 only 2 hundreds out of 89 innings doesn't say pick me, pick me.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...ages/batting.html?id=114;team=635;type=trophy
AJ Finch 2010-2017 50 89 3 2646 102 30.76 2 20 12
 
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Why has Aaron Finch never been given the opportunity to open at Test level? It's not like we haven't seen half a dozen players rotated through that position over the last few years. His innings yesterday was patient and well constructed.

Carn.

His first class record for the opportunities that have been thrust on him is bordering on abysmal. Tried repeatedly as a both an opener and in the middle order for both Victoria and Yorkshire and has never looked close to making the grade.

Terrific short format batsman, but quite clearly a stand and deliver slugger completely un-analogous to Warner who made an obscene amount of runs in the shield from a variety of positions to overcome the perception he was a one day player only.

Our good friends over the ditch have kindly already donated the research showing the futility of persisting with a one day beast ill equipped to handle a non-binary situation requiring patience and defensive skill- refer Martin Guptill's test career. Even then I'd be staggered if Finch managed to average 29.
 
As far as the answer goes, for me it will come from patience with one / both of Bancroft and Renshaw.
 
Terrific short format batsman, but quite clearly a stand and deliver slugger completely un-analogous to Warner who made an obscene amount of runs in the shield from a variety of positions to overcome the perception he was a one day player only....
Warner only had 1 decent season of shield cricket. He has only played 19 games since his debut in early 2009
 
Carn.

His first class record for the opportunities that have been thrust on him is bordering on abysmal. Tried repeatedly as a both an opener and in the middle order for both Victoria and Yorkshire and has never looked close to making the grade.

Terrific short format batsman, but quite clearly a stand and deliver slugger completely un-analogous to Warner who made an obscene amount of runs in the shield from a variety of positions to overcome the perception he was a one day player only.

Our good friends over the ditch have kindly already donated the research showing the futility of persisting with a one day beast ill equipped to handle a non-binary situation requiring patience and defensive skill- refer Martin Guptill's test career. Even then I'd be staggered if Finch managed to average 29.

I'm not an avid follower of state cricket so I take your point.

What were the shield averages of all those other guys REH mentioned before they got called up? A little bit better, significantly better?
 
Warner only had 1 decent season of shield cricket. He has only played 19 games since his debut in early 2009

True he hadn't been around long but was averaging 45 in his six innings in the year he was picked. Don't forget that they had taken him over to Zimbabwe where they played a few FC games against them and SA (from memory can't access itinerary) where he averaged well over 100 and made a double ton there.

I'm not an avid follower of state cricket so I take your point.

What were the shield averages of all those other guys REH mentioned before they got called up? A little bit better, significantly better?

Fair enough. Shield stats breakdown can be a real bitch now but Renshaw and Bancroft both around the 40 mark, though like Warner both had done well in the A side tours and in representative warm up games. Bancroft had an excellent 2015/16, but average gets dragged down to his Marvin Attapattu-like run of ducks single figure scores in his first few matches. Langer kept the faith through that period though and has reaped the dividends. Renshaw made a more stable start, and was pretty prolific in 15/16 where averaged around 45, so got the nod based on that.
 
I see vKohli has been in trouble for his petulance during the current test vs SAF, being fined 25% of his match fee and receiving one demerit point.

Saw the overnight score this morning and India are in a bit of trouble at 3/35 chasing a target of 287. I was pleased to see that vKohli is one of the three men out. LBW. Which he reviewed :D:p
 
I see vKohli has been in trouble for his petulance during the current test vs SAF, being fined 25% of his match fee and receiving one demerit point.

Saw the overnight score this morning and India are in a bit of trouble at 3/35 chasing a target of 287. I was pleased to see that vKohli is one of the three men out. LBW. Which he reviewed :D:p
The funniest review was when they were bowling. They appealed for an LBW when Bumrah was bowling, given not out and Kohli called for a review.

The ball hit the middle of the bat.

Kohli seems to be a bit petulant, as you say, but he is a damn fine batsman. In the last 2 years he has scored 10 centuries, 2 low centuries where he has been not out both times, 2 X 150’s and 6 double tons. That is fair batting.
 
The funniest review was when they were bowling. They appealed for an LBW when Bumrah was bowling, given not out and Kohli called for a review.

The ball hit the middle of the bat.

Kohli seems to be a bit petulant, as you say, but he is a damn fine batsman. In the last 2 years he has scored 10 centuries, 2 low centuries where he has been not out both times, 2 X 150’s and 6 double tons. That is fair batting.


His and Joe Root's test records are almost identical, except Kohli has scored 21 centuries (incl 6 double tons) to Root's 13 (2 doubles), so Root more often gets to 50, but when Kohli does he's more likely to convert it to a really big score.
 
Can anyone who was playing along at home last night for the Strikers game give any insight as to why Siddle didn't bowl the 18th and 20th overs? Did the umpire deem him to have not been on the field for long enough (after his dislocation was it?) to bowl the 18th over?
 

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The Brisbane Heat have just been thumped by the Sydney Sixers who won by 9 wickets on the last ball of the 10th over. This does not mean much to the Sixers who are well and truly out of the finals race but it puts the Heat on the same points as the Renegades and .676 NRR less than them. The Renegades also have 2 games in hand over them.
The game saw a huge shift in NRR, the Heat went from .167 to -.331 and the Sixers went from -0233 to.236
 
that was pretty average from Head then.

Hopefully Alex gets a chance with bat later. Plays spin pretty well so conditions will suit
 
The ODI question last night on Ch 9 was about which captain of 3 had lost an ODI to England at the Gabba. The answer was Warne. I was pretty sure that Warne's ODI captaincy record was 10 wins and 1 loss. I checked it this morning and indeed that is his record and it was his only loss. Ian Chappell won 6 of his 11 games and Gilchrist 12 of his 17 for some reference for short term Oz ODI captain's. Warne would have made a great captain but Cricket Australia would never appoint him the long term captain.

Long term the best winning percentage ;
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283747.html
Kohli 78.5% of 48 games
Lloyd 77.7% of 84 games
Ponting 76.1% of 230 games
Cronje 73.7% of 138 games
Clarke 70.4% of 74 games
Gatting 70.3% of 37 games

Of the guys who have captained at least 50 games the next best 2 are almost idnetical

S Waugh 65.2% of 106 games 67 W 35 L 3 Tied 1 No Result
Richards. 65.0% of 105 games 67 W 36 L 0 Tied 2 No Result

Edit Faf du Plessis had captained SAF 12 times for 11 wins so he is ahead of Warne.
 
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