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I've written a bit about Bumrah the last 18 months on here. I made a short comment about him in the 1st test thread on the Cricket forum and Portmagpies36 asked is he the best overseas bowler to play in oz and deliver results here, since Ambrose? I replied I couldn't think of anyone better.

Another poster talked about Steyn and Rabada being the only ones to challenge him and said at the end of his career he will probably be considered better than both of them.

So I did some stats queries and he is looking like being the best bowler to visit Oz since Federation, out performing Ambrose. This is what I posted there.

Set at 25+ wickets taken in Oz by overseas players. 17 players have taken 50+ wickets Ambrose the most at 78 from 14 tests and Hadlee 77 from 12. Hadlee was great but he didn't have much back up to take wickets off him and he had a great last 3 tests in Oz in 1985-86 season 33 wickets, when Oz depth was hurt by the South African rebel tour.

Bumrah is 5th by average, the first 3 played in the 1880's, Hadlee is 4th, table below is sorted by average, and if you sort by strike rate, Bumrah is 5th, Hadlee 4th, and Rabada 2nd.

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Here is the data for bowlers after Ambrose's last test in Oz was in February 1997. I set the date 1st March 1997 for 25+ wickets which is what PhatBoy talked about. Rabada and Steyn are behind Bumrah on wickets and average. Only 15 bowlers have achieved 25+ wickets in Oz in that nearly 28 years.


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Bloody hell, some one who averages over 50 in domestic cricket and made almost 1.000 runs last year.

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In-form Webster surging into Test contention after being named in Australia squad

Australia have called Beau Webster into their squad for the Adelaide Test, as cover for all-rounder Mitch Marsh.
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A late bloomer who will turn 31 on Sunday, Webster made an irresistible call for selection in the past year.

He was the leading run-scorer in the Sheffield Shield last summer, with 938 at 58.62 for Tasmania.

The right-hander has then backed that up against this summer, with 448 runs at an average of 56 across all first-class cricket this season.

He can also provide an option with the ball, taking 30 wickets last season for Tasmania while able to hit the pitch hard with his medium pace and also bowl spin.
 
For refence purpose, this link is the the top 100 run makers in Sheffield Shield seasons. 911 runs gets 3 players =98th, Ponting, David Hussey and Border.

Webster's effort last year ranks him 88th. Boof Lehmann has 7 efforts, 4 times 1,000+ runs and 3 times 900-999 runs.

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Watching the Amazon Prime doco The Test re last Ashes series in UK on 7.

Cut out some basic info to keep up the drama. Just finished the Lord's test and blow up over Carey run out of Baistow. Forgot that Lyon tore his calf and missed the rest of the series.
 
At first, I thought the ICC suffered from V.S.D. (Victorian Sport Disorder).

Why giving 12 points for a win, 6 for a tie, and 4 for a draw? Those numbers are all divisive by 2. It looked as senseless as the AFL's point system.

But there's a reason. There are point deduction. I have no idea what an over rate is, but you can get a penalty for not observing it.
 
I didn't see all of Sunny Gavaskar on the Front Bar last night, but what I did was pretty entertaining. I missed this bit and glad they put it on their twitter account.






He upset Sam during his drip tray segment.


 
GremioPower I know you have learnt about Shane Warne but here is a song about him, by Paul Kelly. Kelly is a prolific song writer, over last 40 odd years and has done a lot of writing and singing calibrations with many artists. He is Oz's version of Bob Dylan.

He likes cricket and footy and has written songs about cricket players, which have no chorus. Bradman and Khawaja are a couple of others. He's a Norwood man and adopted the crows when they came in, but has a love hate relationship with Adelaide and hasn't lived here for over 40 years.

He has written a few non sports songs with no chorus, including his near 30 year old Christmas time classic How to Make Gravy about a bloke in jail who writes to his family on 21st December and says who is going to make the gravy - as that was his job Christmas time. Its a 6 minute song with no chorus.


 

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At first, I thought the ICC suffered from V.S.D. (Victorian Sport Disorder).

Why giving 12 points for a win, 6 for a tie, and 4 for a draw? Those numbers are all divisive by 2. It looked as senseless as the AFL's point system.

But there's a reason. There are point deduction. I have no idea what an over rate is, but you can get a penalty for not observing it.
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You are supposed to bowl 90 overs in a days play at test level. There are 6 hours in a normal day ( 3 x 2hr sessions) so the over rate is 15 per hour. They allow an extra 30 minutes play to make sure 90 overs get bowled to allow for time that might get lost if there are a lot of video decisions and if there are a lot of wickets or if there are other problems, like significant pitch repairs, 10 minutes for change of innings etc.

If you regularly don't get 90 overs bowled in that 6.5 hours they start deducting points, and they accelerate the penalty if you become a recidivist offender.

Sometimes the bowling side might bowl the batting side out in say 4 hours and instead of bowling the 15 overs per hour = 60 overs they might only bowl 52. The Batting side doesn't have to make up the lost 8 overs when they start bowling, before the days play ends, but they have to keep up the 15 overs per hour rate in the 2 hours they bowl or 2.5 hours they get to bowl in that last session.

If it rains, they try and make up time by starting earlier in the day. Occasionally they will go longer than the extra half hour at the end of the day, but the broadcasters don't like it and if a lot of time has to have been lost due to to rain delays, then they can go past that extra half hour. The broadcasters complained when it used to sometime go 90 minutes after the scheduled play about 15 years ago.

In Shield cricket sides have to bowl 100 overs a day. So the over rate is 17 per hour. In T20 cricket its 20 overs has to be bowled in 90 minutes, but they don't have video reviews and batters are forced to get out their quickly or they are given out, Timed Out. In some T20 competitions, if you go over time bowling the overs you bowl those overs with extra men inside the 30m circle, so you can't protect the boundaries as your penalty when batsmen are trying to hit everything to, or over the boundary.

In 50 over One Day Internationals, they have gone from just bowling into the 45 minute scheduled break between innings, then run penalties were introduced, to now if a side doesn't bowl the 50 overs in 3.5 hours, then they have to bowl the 50 overs, but they only get to bat the number of overs that they bowled by the time the clock got to the 3.5 hour mark. So the Over Rate in ODI's is effectively 14.3 overs per hour.
 
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Watching the Amazon Prime doco The Test re last Ashes series in UK on 7.

Cut out some basic info to keep up the drama. Just finished the Lord's test and blow up over Carey run out of Baistow. Forgot that Lyon tore his calf and missed the rest of the series.
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Lyon plays we win that series, similar to McGrath in 2005.
 
Just noticed on Kayo there's a T20 tournament "Global Super League" going on in Guyana at the moment...currently Guyana Amazon Warriors vs Victoria (yes as in east of the border). Only Vic players I've heard of are Jono Wells, Joe Clarke (ENG), Corey Anderson (c - NZ/USA) and Scott Edwards (NED).

Other teams are from Lahore (Pakistan), Hampshire (England) and Rangpur (Bangladesh).
 
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England giving the Kiwis a bit of a hiding in Christchurch. Replying to NZ's 348, the Poms made 499, and the home side is now 2 for 41: still 110 behind.
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The day ended with NZ six down and only four runs ahead. Watch them set the Poms a target of about 150 and win it with another Bazball flame-out...
 
Hazlewood been ruled out of Adelaide Test so Boland will get a game given they picked same 13 squad the day after Perth test.


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Australian fast bowler Josh Hazlewood has been ruled out of the second Test against India due to injury.

NSW’s Sean Abbott and South Australia’s Brendan Doggett have both been added to the squad for the second Test. Doggett impressed in Australia A’s two matches against India A, taking 6/15 in Mackay.

Worryingly, the side strain is a recurrence of the exact same injury he suffered in the 2021 and 2022 summers.
 
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A must win game at the Adelaide Oval - where have we heard that before?

Trailing 0-2 in a five Test series would be hard to overcome. It has been done but not very often.
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Only Aussie team to do it was when it had Bradman in it. 1936-37 his first year as captain against Gubby Allen.

One of the last 3 tests Oz won they got caught on a wet wicket and reversed the batting order and Bradman made 270 batting at number 7. Still the highest innings by a number 7 in test cricket.

There is no Bradman to save Oz if we go 0-2 down.
 
This is a list of series when a team has come from 0-1 down after first test to win a series be it 3, 4, 5, or 6 tests series.

1936-37 is only time its been done from 0-2 down. Bradman's 270 was in the 3rd test of the series. Oz made about 200, poms go cuaght on the wet wicket and declared 9 for 70 odd and Oz decided to reverse the order whilst wicket was wet and 11, 10, 9, 8 went in first, wicket dried up and then they went back to normal batting order.

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