Cricket Discussion - Part 2

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Great test match so far and really sets up the series nicely.

Was thinking what a disaster this test series could be after India were bowled out for 150 but my man Bumrah came to the rescue.

Maybe having great express fast bowlers as captains and going after the oppo is better than a batsmen who can score big runs and occupy the crease all day in modern day cricket that has been affected by so much by T20 cricket.

Unbelievable that when Bumrah plays its 19 wins and 18 losses and 3 draws and when he hasn't played because of injury since his first test, India are 18 wins 4 losses and 3 draws and most of those games have been in India ie 14 wins 1 loss and 1 draw.

Completely forgot until I looked up how many runs Travis Head had made this morning, that this is Head's 50th test and becomes only the 3rd born and bred South Aussie to play 50 tests behind the Chappell brothers. Gillespie was born in Sydney and moved to Adelaide when he was 10, so he learnt his real cricket development in the SA system.

Clem Hill played 49 and Greg Blewett 46. Carey is playing his 33rd test and should be the next one to 50, if selectors don't panic and play Inglis because he is perceived as a better batsmen. Carey is the better keeper.

A few SA born and bred and some adopted players have got to the 30's - Ashley Mallet and Rodney Hogg 38, Clarrie Grimmett 37, Joe Darling 34 and George Giffen 31.
 
How can there be so much difference between Day1 and Day 2 of a Test? It cannot be down to the wicket alone it has to be inept batting. My concern is that Australia's out of form batting will not be able to replicate what the Indians have done.

At 38 David Warner has retired, or at least rumours persist that he has, Khawaja is 38 and Smith is pushing 36 so a large part of the batting is getting over the hill quickly.

India now have Australia on the ropes in this Test and it will take a concerted rear guard action to save the match from here.
 

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raptalia said:
How can there be so much difference between Day1 and Day 2 of a Test? It cannot be down to the wicket alone it has to be inept batting. My concern is that Australia's out of form batting will not be able to replicate what the Indians have done.

At 38 David Warner has retired, or at least rumours persist that he has, Khawaja is 38 and Smith is pushing 36 so a large part of the batting is getting over the hill quickly.

India now have Australia on the ropes in this Test and it will take a concerted rear guard action to save the match from here.
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Its been evident for a long time now. These 2 great post from Marstermind in the 1st Test thread on the cricket board yesterday sum up how poor out batting has been the last 8 tests. Yes Warner played and contributed in 2 of the 3 tests against Pakistan before retiring as well as Cam Green being in the side.

Marstermind said:
Since the start of last summer
Khawaja - 41, 90, 42, 0, 47, 0, 45, 9*, 75, 10, 33, 28, 16, 11, 8 - Average 32.5.
Out 23 times since his last century with 5 fifties and 4 single digit scores in that. Long way to go, but if Australia lose this series and Uzzie maintains an average of 32, as the oldest bloke in the team he'll be finished.

Labuschagne - 4, 60, 62*, 10, 1*, 3, 5, 1, 2, 90, 6, 2 - Average 24.6
Out 15 times since his last century with 4 fifties and 9 single digit scores in that. Passed 10 once in his last 9 completed digs and looks terrible. Would have to be close to being dropped now. Batting median score of just 5.5 in this time.

Smith - 31, 45, 26, 50, 38, 4*, 12, 11*, 6, 91*, 31, 0, 11, 9, 0 - Average 30.4
Out 19 times since his last century with 4 fifties and 5 single digit scores in that. Highlighted to the selectors that he was struggling so moved top open. When that changed nothing he's got nowhere to hide anymore. Like Ponting and Hayden when they hit around Smith's age, it looks like his eye has gone. The unbeaten 91 sure helps that average.

Head - 40, 14, 17, 0, 10, 119, 0, 0 , 1, 29, 21, 18, 11 - Average 21.5
He is most definitely out of form with the worst average of all Australian batters since the start of last summer even with the only century. That century is his only score over 50 in his last 17 innings, with six sub 10 scores. Median of 17.

Marsh - 90, 63*, 41, 96, 54, 5, 21, 10, 40, 0, 0, 80, 6 - Average 42.2
The much maligned Marsh is actually the best Aussie batter in the last 10 months. 16 innings since his last century, but 6 fifties. Five sub 10 scores - 3 in the last 4 innings. But good numbers given how often he comes in at 4 for not-much. Wouldn't have won in Melbourne or Christchurch without him.

Carey - 34, 4, 53, 38, 15, 65, 2, 10, 3, 14, 98*, 19* - Average 35.5
Good numbers for a number 7 keeper. Like Marsh, he's had to come in at 5 for too few too often. 26 dismissals since his only century and his lack of a really big score so far in his career is the only knock on his batting.

You could argue that none of the top 5 are locks for the Ashes with McSweeney obviously having not cemented a spot. Green comes back and one of Labuschagne and Smith has to go. But as he's like-for-like with Marsh the selectors would be stupid enough to ditch him. Head won't be dropped, but his form is yuck and he can't keep that up and not be under pressure. Got a ripping ball yesterday, but his feet were nowhere and he gave himself no chance.
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Marstermind said:
Fall of the 4th wicket
v Pakistan in Perth - 4/304 & 4/107
v Pakistan in Melbourne - 4/204 & 4/16
v Pakistan in Sydney - 4/187 & N/A
v West Indies in Adelaide - 4/113 & N/A
v West Indies in Brisbane - 4/24 & 4/113
v New Zealand in Wellington - 4/89 & 4/81
v New Zealand in Christchurch - 4/107 & 4/34
v India in Perth - 4/31
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I heard this stat on the radio yesterday and was going to look what these 4/for ended up turning into but HowSTAT server is incredibly slow and crashing today, so I haven't looked up the final total but probably 1/3rd of those innings if you look up what the 5th wicket fell for the last 5 wickets added more runs.
 
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Discovered how to efficiently use Statsguru

Follow up to Marstermind's stats with totals in each innings

Fall of the 4th wicket
v Pakistan in Perth - 4/304 & 4/107 ............................ 487 and 5/233 dec won test
v Pakistan in Melbourne - 4/204 & 4/16....................... 318 and 262 won test
v Pakistan in Sydney - 4/187 & N/A............................... 299 and 2/130 won by 8 wickets
v West Indies in Adelaide - 4/113 & N/A........................ 283 and 0/26 won by 10 wickets
v West Indies in Brisbane - 4/24 & 4/113 ..................... 9/289 and 207 lost test by 8 runs
v New Zealand in Wellington - 4/89 & 4/81 .................. 383 and 164 won test
v New Zealand in Christchurch - 4/107 & 4/34 ............. 256 and 7/281 won by 3 wickets thanks to Marsh 80, Carey 98 n.o.
v India in Perth - 4/31 ................................................ 104
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Its been evident for a long time now. These 2 great post from Marstermind in the 1st Test thread on the cricket board yesterday sum up how poor out batting has been the last 8 tests. Yes Warner played and contributed in 2 of the 3 tests against Pakistan before retiring as well as Cam Green being in the side.





I heard this stat on the radio yesterday and was going to look what these 4/for ended up turning into but HowSTAT server is incredibly slow and crashing today, so I haven't looked up the final total but probably 1/3rd of those innings if you look up what the 5th wicket fell for the last 5 wickets added more runs.
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Of course the situation is not helped by the lack of ready made replacements for our aging batting stars. This lack of replacements convinced the selectors to make Steve Smith into an opener.
 
Jhye Richardon’s long-awaited return to Sheffield Shield cricket has been marred by a shoulder injury, sustained while celebrating a wicket during his first over of the match. Richardson claimed back-to-back wickets in his opening over, removing South Australian opener Conor McInerney and No. 3 Daniel Drew in consecutive balls. However, after high-fiving a couple of his teammates, Richardson grabbed at his right shoulder and dropped to the turf in agony, with a team medic running onto the field. The right-armed quick left the field for further treatment, denied a chance at a hat-trick.
 
Holden Hillbilly said:
Jhye Richardon’s long-awaited return to Sheffield Shield cricket has been marred by a shoulder injury, sustained while celebrating a wicket during his first over of the match. Richardson claimed back-to-back wickets in his opening over, removing South Australian opener Conor McInerney and No. 3 Daniel Drew in consecutive balls. However, after high-fiving a couple of his teammates, Richardson grabbed at his right shoulder and dropped to the turf in agony, with a team medic running onto the field. The right-armed quick left the field for further treatment, denied a chance at a hat-trick.
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He got better.
 

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Not that we want to see a return of the days when Geoff Thompson said he liked to see a batsman's blood on the pitch, but in my opinion the Indians have become way too comfortable in Aussie conditions to where they are now the aggressors and we had a 21 yo who got cocky enough to tell Starc he was bowling `too slow,' for which all he got in return was a meek smile! o_O

Not many batsmen would have been game enough to try that stuff with Lillee and Thommo on a Perth pitch, but that was obviously well before they were all mates and earning millions in the IPL.
 
Nathan Mc Sweeney runs the risk of being a one test player. Maybe the selectors will have the courage to pick him for his home deck in Adelaide but I suspect not. The name Marcus Harris looms large.

In his last eight completed innings Marnus Labuschagne has had one score in double figures for an average of 14.00. He scored 90 against New Zealand in Christchurch back in March. Take that 90 out and it makes 22 runs from seven innings. Marnus has made only one century for Australia since December 2022. On the form Marnus should go but the question remains where is the replacement?

Add Steve Smith's mediocre form to that of Marnus and things do not look good. Smith has not scored a century for Australia since his 110 in the Lord's Test back in June 2023. He has only passed fifty four times in his last 22 innings.

On the other side Virat Kohli seems to make a career out of tormenting Australia. He can be in the worst form of his career but he comes to Australia and we pay.

As if the batting woes weren't enough Australia's bowlers took a pounding in India's second innings. **** this could get ugly. There may be plenty of happy taxi and Uber drivers this summer.
 
raptalia said:
Nathan Mc Sweeney runs the risk of being a one test player. Maybe the selectors will have the courage to pick him for his home deck in Adelaide but I suspect not. The name Marcus Harris looms large.

In his last eight completed innings Marnus Labuschagne has had one score in double figures for an average of 14.00. He scored 90 against New Zealand in Christchurch back in March. Take that 90 out and it makes 22 runs from seven innings. Marnus has made only one century for Australia since December 2022. On the form Marnus should go but the question remains where is the replacement?

Add Steve Smith's mediocre form to that of Marnus and things do not look good. Smith has not scored a century for Australia since his 110 in the Lord's Test back in June 2023. He has only passed fifty four times in his last 22 innings.

On the other side Virat Kohli seems to make a career out of tormenting Australia. He can be in the worst form of his career but he comes to Australia and we pay.

As if the batting woes weren't enough Australia's bowlers took a pounding in India's second innings. **** this could get ugly. There may be plenty of happy taxi and Uber drivers this summer.
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It was only a matter of time before Loosebuschange's penchant for playing and missing countless times before he had reached double figures had to eventually catch up with him, and now that Smith's hand eye coordination is on the wane his non existent footwork has been regularly exposed in recent years.
 
philreich said:
Tom Rehn predicted 4-1 in Australia's favour last week - I daresay he'll be adjusting that prediction.
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Did Glen McGrath do his usual Australia to win 5-0 prediction?
 
If you set this Run chase wizard linked below to Australia, 534 to win is the 12th highest total Australia has been set and 16 times all up its been 500+ to win.

3 of those 11 times Oz has made 300+ and twice has been against South Africa at the WACA and lost by 310 runs in 2012 and 178 runs in 2016. In 1928 Australia were caught on a wet wicket in Brisbane and made 66 chasing 742. The other 7 times we have made 100 odd 3 times and 4 times 200 odd so the likely hood Oz will make around 250-300 this innings.

The other 4 times of 500-533 runs to win range twice Oz has made low 400's in England and twice made 190's.


Test Cricket - Run Chases

Test Cricket - Run chase wizard - show run chase results for selected targets, countries and grounds
www.howstat.com
 
1954 said:
It was only a matter of time before Loosebuschange's penchant for playing and missing countless times before he had reached double figures had to eventually catch up with him, and now that Smith's hand eye coordination is on the wane his non existent footwork has been regularly exposed in recent years.
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RussellEbertHandball said:
If you set this Run chase wizard linked below to Australia, 534 to win is the 12th highest total Australia has been set and 16 times all up its been 500+ to win.

3 of those 11 times Oz has made 300+ and twice has been against South Africa at the WACA and lost by 310 runs in 2012 and 178 runs in 2016. In 1928 Australia were caught on a wet wicket in Brisbane and made 66 chasing 742. The other 7 times we have made 100 odd 3 times and 4 times 200 odd so the likely hood Oz will make around 250-300 this innings.

The other 4 times of 500-533 runs to win range twice Oz has made low 400's in England and twice made 190's.


Test Cricket - Run Chases

Test Cricket - Run chase wizard - show run chase results for selected targets, countries and grounds
www.howstat.com
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Starting the day at 3 for 12, I'd actually be ecstatic if we can reach 250. Given our dodgy batting, I can't see it happening.
 
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