Cricket Discussion - Part 2

[Ford Fairlane]

It better. 5/36 - are we trying to lose the unloseable test?

 

[philreich]

I'm getting Headingley 1981 vibes about this game - suddenly I wouldn't mind in the slightest if the heavens were to open, and wipe out the rest of the day!!!

 

[Powerade 08]

Mitch Marsh won the 2024 Alan Border Medal. Watching him bat 20 mins ago, shows you how rooted we are.

Might be the dumbest player in the team. hes lucky Labuschagne and McSweeney exist.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

7/89 declared. This is the Brisbane radar - all that activity is heading up towards Brisbane.

 

[philreich]

Talk on Fox Cricket that Travis Head might have a groin injury. If we lose him, I think we lose the series!!!

 

[raptalia]

I am not quite sure what went down here. I guess Australia could hide behind the quick runs excuse. India need 267 runs from 51.5 overs weather permitting. Slightly over 5 runs an over, that is a 'gettable' target if the weather does not intervene which is likely. Australia scored at 4.95 runs an over but lost seven wickets in the process. India have the advantage that they can shut the shop if they loose a few wickets.

As I post the 'MATCH DELAYED BY RAIN' message is posted on Cricinfo. The Indian hierarchy have probably approached the Umpires asking for the Duckworth Lewis System to be applied.

 

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[Ford Fairlane]

Match called off

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

On SEN during the innings rain break I heard a discussion between Adam Collins and Bharat Sundaresan of SEN, think also Ravi Shastri was involved about the score below in 1948 for Bhausaheb Nimbalkar to surpass Bradman as the highest scorer in first class cricket at the time.

Its a story I have never heard before and is born out of shear bloody mindedness and a bit of Indian caste system I think. Below is the story from a 2006 Cricinfo article.

DG Bradman	452*	415	465	49	0	NSW	v Queensland	Sydney	3 Jan 1930	FC
BB Nimbalkar	443*	494	-	49	1	Maharashtra	v Kathiawar	Pune	16 Dec 1948	FC

The Indian world record thwarted by a sulk

Martin Williamson looks back at BB Nimbalkar's innings of 443 not out ... and a record that would have been but for a princely sulk

www.espncricinfo.com

The Ranji Trophy match between Maharashtra and Kathiawar in December 1948 has gone down in the record books for two things. One is that the result was a rarity in that one side - Kathiawar - forfeited the match as a result of boredom - and the other is that during it Bhausaheb Babasaheb Nimbalkar set what still remains the record for the highest first-class score by an Indian.

The match came in an era of big scores in the Ranji Trophy, partly caused by the competition rules which stated that in the event of a drawn match the side leading after the first innings were the winners.

On a balmy December day at Poona, Kathiawar were bowled out for 238 on the first day of the four-day match, and by the close Maharashtra were well placed at 132 for 1. Nimbalkar, a 29-year-old right-hand batsman, joined KV Bhandarkar at 81 for 1. They were not to be parted until shortly before the close on the second day, by which time they had added 455 for the second wicket in a little over five hours. Bhandarkar was dismissed for 205, but Nimbalkar found another ally in SD Deodhar, and brought up his 300 in the last over.

The third day started with Maharashtra on 587 for 2, and the relentless run-scoring continued unchecked. Nimbalkar and Deodhar put on 242 for the third wicket. There was a slight wobble when Deodhar fell within sight of a hundred and then Mohan Lal soon followed, but Nimbalkar pressed on. He passed 400 and headed towards the world-record - Don Bradman's 452. By the time the weary Kathiawar fielders took tea - they stayed in the middle in those days - Nimbalkar had made 443 out of a total of 826 for 4. There could only be one result, and all that there was to play for was pride and personal glory.

However, His Highness the Thakur Sahib of Rajkot, Kathiawar 's captain whose title was more impressive than his ability, had had enough of chasing leather. He gave his opposite number an ultimatum - declare or he and his side would go home. [Bharat said he was the prince and ruler of a small principality.]

Neither side would back down, although Raja Gokhale, Maharashtra 's captain, and the match officials did ask Kathiawar to continue for two overs to allow Nimbalkar to break The Don's record. They refused, trooped off to pack their bags and then headed to the station. "They kept saying that you have already scored so many runs, why do you want to get more," Nimbalkar recalled years later. "Their skipper felt that the name of the Kathiawar team would figure in the record books for the wrong reasons. I was left stranded in the middle of the ground.

"I didn't like the approach of the Kathiawar team. How could they be so unsporting? Once I came to know that I was just 10 runs short of a world record, I was desperate to achieve it because it would have put Sir Don's name behind me. But this didn't happen."

Nimbalkar explained that it was only at tea that he became aware of the record. "Had I known, I would have gone for the runs. My captain sent me a message that I should stay at the wicket, so I did just as I was asked. I did not put my personal objectives ahead of the side. I played for the team."

Nimbalkar had batted for eight hours and 14 minutes and had hit 46 fours and a six. And Bradman's was not the only record under threat. Maharashtra were within sight of the highest score in the Ranji Trophy, 912, made by Holkar four years earlier.

There was some consolation for Nimbalkar. "I remember that I had got a personal message from Sir Don Bradman that I should go for the record and he congratulated me as well. I still remember he ranked my innings above his own, such was the greatness of The Don. Even though he had the world record and I had only the record in India, he still rated my innings as better."

Despite a good record in first-class cricket - he scored 4841 runs at 47.93 in 80 matches - there was to be no international recognition for Nimbalkar. The closest he came was in 1949-50, when he was chosen for an Indian XI in an unofficial Test against a Commonwealth XI. "I think I was really good enough to play for India in Tests with a splendid performance," Nimbalkar reflected. "I don't know why the selectors sidelined me all the time. What really hurt me was that some of the less talented players got a chance to represent the country."

Of the 11 scores of 400+ in first class cricket 2 are by Lara and 2 by Ponsford. Lara's 501 was made in 1994.

FC matches | Batting records | Most runs in an innings | ESPNcricinfo

Find records of Most runs in an innings in FC matches only on ESPNcricinfo.

www.espncricinfo.com

Nimbalkar recalls Bradman's `personal message'

Don Bradman is no more

www.espncricinfo.com

Bradman sent Nimbalkar a greeting note congratulating him on his innings. Nimbalkar was the happiest man at the time at having been complimented by the Don himself.

"I remember that I had got a personal message from Sir Don Bradman that I should go for the record and he congratulated me as well. I still remember he ranked my innings above his own, such was the greatness of the Don. Even though he had the World record and I had only the record in India, he still rated my innings as better."

 

[philreich]

Match called off

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And guess what - the next 6 days in Brisbane are all sunny!!!

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Ashwin has retired. He is one of 11 test crickets to do the 3000/300 double.

 

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Ashwin's International career record

Bowling

Format	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	4w	5w	10w
Tests	106	200	27246	12891	537	7/59	13/140	24.00	2.83	50.7	25	37	8
ODIs	116	114	6303	5180	156	4/25	4/25	33.20	4.93	40.4	1	0	0
T20Is	65	65	1452	1672	72	4/8	4/8	23.22	6.90	20.1	2	0	0

Batting

Format	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100s	50s	4s	6s	Ct	St
Tests	106	151	15	3503	124	25.75	6423	54.53	6	14	399	23	36	0
ODIs	116	63	20	707	65	16.44	813	86.96	0	1	60	7	31	0
T20Is	65	19	12	184	31*	26.28	160	114.99	0	0	17	4	11	0

Test match history
P 106 W 61 L 28 D 17 = win % of 57.55%

Of players who have played 50 tests or more only about 15 of them have a win % of 60+%

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Head won back to back Man of the Match. That means he has won 9 from 52 tests he has played = 17.3%

Players with a similar % of tests where they win man of the match below taken from the Cricinfo link. They were talking about this on SEN during one of the many rain breaks, that if Head wins it for this test, he has the highest % of Man of the Match awards for tests played.

Test matches | Individual records (captains, players, umpires) | Most player-of-the-match awards | ESPNcricinfo

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At least 30 tests
Wasim Akram 17 times from 104 tests = 16.3%
Muralidaran 19 times from 133 tests = 14.3%
Ambrose 14 times from 98 tests = 14.3%
Kallis 23 times from 166 tests = 13.9% *** Kallis has won the most and Murali the 2nd most and Akram 3rd most

Under 30 tests
Prabath Jayasuriya 5 times from 18 tests = 27.8%
Harry Brook 5 times from 24 tests = 20.8%

Had to look up Jayasuriya's record as I know nothing about. He is a 33 year old Sri Lankan left arm orthodox spinner, who made his debut in July 2022 against Australia in the 2 Test series.

He has taken 107 wickets at 29.21, strike rate of 55.1, best bowling figures of 7/52, taken 5 wickets in an innings 10 times and twice taken 10 wickets in a match.

He is equal 2nd fastest to 100 wickets in his 17th match ( with 4 others and only George Lohmann English bowler in the 1880's got there quicker in 16 tests). Was also equal 2nd quickest to 50 wickets with 2 others in their 7th test.

Has played 10 of his 18 tests in Sri Lanka and taken 81 wickets at 23.64. Away from home 8 tests 26 wickets at 46.57 and one 5 wickets in an Innings in South Africa.

We are playing 2 tests in Sri Lanka in February. He didn't play in the first test v Australia in 2022 series that we won by 10 wickets but he played in the 2nd test at Galle and he took 6/118 and 6/59 and Sri Lanka won by an Innings and 39 runs.

Guess I will be watching him in February a lot closer than in the past.

 

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Jadeja didn't take a wicket in the test, but his 77 was pretty important.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Haha I should have have looked for this tweet last night rather than adding up the totals myself.

India's total of 1260 runs includes 106 extras which makes it the 5th highest scorer for India so far.

Australia's total of 1232 runs includes 94 extras which makes it the 4th highest scorer for Australia so far.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This is interesting bit of history.

Changes the last few tests
2nd Test v NZ March 2024 ----> Perth 1st Test v India, Green out, McSweeney in (Smith drops down the list)
1st Test -----> 2nd Test Hazlewood out, Boland in
2nd Test ----> 3rd Test Boland out, Hazlewood in
3rd Test -----> 4th Test Hazlewood out, Boland in

If Australia get steam rolled in Melbourne, because of poor batting, say another 200+ run loss, I don't think any of the batsmen will get dropped.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Pity Swamp didn't do some stats on the other member of the so called big 4 - Kholi.

 

[raptalia]

On SEN during the innings rain break I heard a discussion between Adam Collins and Bharat Sundaresan of SEN, think also Ravi Shastri was involved about the score below in 1948 for Bhausaheb Nimbalkar to surpass Bradman as the highest scorer in first class cricket at the time.

Its a story I have never heard before and is born out of shear bloody mindedness and a bit of Indian caste system I think. Below is the story from a 2006 Cricinfo article.

DG Bradman	452*	415	465	49	0	NSW	v Queensland	Sydney	3 Jan 1930	FC
BB Nimbalkar	443*	494	-	49	1	Maharashtra	v Kathiawar	Pune	16 Dec 1948	FC

The Indian world record thwarted by a sulk

Martin Williamson looks back at BB Nimbalkar's innings of 443 not out ... and a record that would have been but for a princely sulk

www.espncricinfo.com

The Ranji Trophy match between Maharashtra and Kathiawar in December 1948 has gone down in the record books for two things. One is that the result was a rarity in that one side - Kathiawar - forfeited the match as a result of boredom - and the other is that during it Bhausaheb Babasaheb Nimbalkar set what still remains the record for the highest first-class score by an Indian.

The match came in an era of big scores in the Ranji Trophy, partly caused by the competition rules which stated that in the event of a drawn match the side leading after the first innings were the winners.

On a balmy December day at Poona, Kathiawar were bowled out for 238 on the first day of the four-day match, and by the close Maharashtra were well placed at 132 for 1. Nimbalkar, a 29-year-old right-hand batsman, joined KV Bhandarkar at 81 for 1. They were not to be parted until shortly before the close on the second day, by which time they had added 455 for the second wicket in a little over five hours. Bhandarkar was dismissed for 205, but Nimbalkar found another ally in SD Deodhar, and brought up his 300 in the last over.

The third day started with Maharashtra on 587 for 2, and the relentless run-scoring continued unchecked. Nimbalkar and Deodhar put on 242 for the third wicket. There was a slight wobble when Deodhar fell within sight of a hundred and then Mohan Lal soon followed, but Nimbalkar pressed on. He passed 400 and headed towards the world-record - Don Bradman's 452. By the time the weary Kathiawar fielders took tea - they stayed in the middle in those days - Nimbalkar had made 443 out of a total of 826 for 4. There could only be one result, and all that there was to play for was pride and personal glory.

However, His Highness the Thakur Sahib of Rajkot, Kathiawar 's captain whose title was more impressive than his ability, had had enough of chasing leather. He gave his opposite number an ultimatum - declare or he and his side would go home. [Bharat said he was the prince and ruler of a small principality.]

Neither side would back down, although Raja Gokhale, Maharashtra 's captain, and the match officials did ask Kathiawar to continue for two overs to allow Nimbalkar to break The Don's record. They refused, trooped off to pack their bags and then headed to the station. "They kept saying that you have already scored so many runs, why do you want to get more," Nimbalkar recalled years later. "Their skipper felt that the name of the Kathiawar team would figure in the record books for the wrong reasons. I was left stranded in the middle of the ground.

"I didn't like the approach of the Kathiawar team. How could they be so unsporting? Once I came to know that I was just 10 runs short of a world record, I was desperate to achieve it because it would have put Sir Don's name behind me. But this didn't happen."

Nimbalkar explained that it was only at tea that he became aware of the record. "Had I known, I would have gone for the runs. My captain sent me a message that I should stay at the wicket, so I did just as I was asked. I did not put my personal objectives ahead of the side. I played for the team."

Nimbalkar had batted for eight hours and 14 minutes and had hit 46 fours and a six. And Bradman's was not the only record under threat. Maharashtra were within sight of the highest score in the Ranji Trophy, 912, made by Holkar four years earlier.

There was some consolation for Nimbalkar. "I remember that I had got a personal message from Sir Don Bradman that I should go for the record and he congratulated me as well. I still remember he ranked my innings above his own, such was the greatness of The Don. Even though he had the world record and I had only the record in India, he still rated my innings as better."

Despite a good record in first-class cricket - he scored 4841 runs at 47.93 in 80 matches - there was to be no international recognition for Nimbalkar. The closest he came was in 1949-50, when he was chosen for an Indian XI in an unofficial Test against a Commonwealth XI. "I think I was really good enough to play for India in Tests with a splendid performance," Nimbalkar reflected. "I don't know why the selectors sidelined me all the time. What really hurt me was that some of the less talented players got a chance to represent the country."

Of the 11 scores of 400+ in first class cricket 2 are by Lara and 2 by Ponsford. Lara's 501 was made in 1994.

FC matches | Batting records | Most runs in an innings | ESPNcricinfo

Find records of Most runs in an innings in FC matches only on ESPNcricinfo.

www.espncricinfo.com

Nimbalkar recalls Bradman's `personal message'

Don Bradman is no more

www.espncricinfo.com

Bradman sent Nimbalkar a greeting note congratulating him on his innings. Nimbalkar was the happiest man at the time at having been complimented by the Don himself.

"I remember that I had got a personal message from Sir Don Bradman that I should go for the record and he congratulated me as well. I still remember he ranked my innings above his own, such was the greatness of the Don. Even though he had the World record and I had only the record in India, he still rated my innings as better."

That is the sort of story commentators bring up to fill in time during rain breaks in play.

 

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Daniel Cherry from Code Sports/ Newscorp going with McSweeney has been dropped.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

9 Newspapers going with the McSweeney dropped story as well.

McSweeney dropped, Konstas added to Test squad

Nathan McSweeney is poised to be axed from Australia’s squad ahead of the Boxing Day Test at the MCG, with young NSW sensation Sam Konstas told on Friday that he’s in the squad.

www.smh.com.au

Nathan McSweeney is set to be dropped from Australia’s squad for the Boxing Day Test, with NSW young gun Sam Konstas poised for a call-up.

Selectors will announce a squad for the fourth Test against India on Friday afternoon, but one name that won’t be on the list is that of McSweeney. Although there has been no formal announcement, Konstas, 19, could make his debut in front of more than 90,000 fans at the MCG after an impressive year with the bat.

This masthead can reveal that Konstas received a phone call early on Friday afternoon after Sydney Thunder training informing him of his selection in Australia’s squad.

Josh Inglis has also been in the Australia’s squad as a spare batsman and could come into calculations for the MCG Test.

 

[philreich]

Not surprised really. Konstas is a helluva talent - we need to see what he can do before the tour of Sri Lanka.

Early forecast for Boxing Day in Melbourne is 40C. Makes me wonder if that'll lower the chances of getting a full house at the G.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Not surprised really. Konstas is a helluva talent - we need to see what he can do before the tour of Sri Lanka.

Early forecast for Boxing Day in Melbourne is 40C. Makes me wonder if that'll lower the chances of getting a full house at the G.

Only surprise is that they wont move on Khawaja and Labuschagne if they make bugger all runs in the 4th test.

If Australia lose in Melbourne and those 2 fail badly they should be dropped, but they wont be .... stability, don't panic, captain Cummins backs his men, yadha, yadha will be spin.

Take away their best inning and the top 4 have made
Smith 23 runs
Marnus 18 runs
McSwenney 33 runs
Khawaja 42 runs.

Edit Marsh batting at 6, 22 runs

Player

Mat

Inns

NO

50s

100s

0s

HS

Runs

S/R

Avg

Ca

St

% Team Runs

Head, T M​

3​

5​

0​

1​

2​

0​

152​

409​

94.24​

81.80​

2​

0​

33.20%​

Carey, A T​

3​

5​

1​

1​

0​

0​

70​

162​

70.74​

40.50​

13​

2​

13.15%​

Smith, S P D​

3​

5​

0​

0​

1​

1​

101​

124​

46.44​

24.80​

6​

0​

10.06%​

Starc, M A​

3​

5​

1​

0​

0​

0​

26​

76​

39.18​

19.00​

0​

0​

6.17%​

Labuschagne, M​

3​

5​

0​

1​

0​

0​

64​

82​

33.20​

16.40​

3​

0​

6.66%​

McSweeney, N A​

3​

6​

1​

0​

0​

1​

39​

72​

33.96​

14.40​

3​

0​

5.84%​

Marsh, M R​

3​

5​

0​

0​

0​

0​

47​

69​

48.94​

13.80​

3​

0​

5.60%​

Khawaja, U T​

3​

6​

1​

0​

0​

0​

21​

63​

46.32​

12.60​

4​

0​

5.11%​

Cummins, P J​

3​

5​

0​

0​

0​

0​

22​

59​

75.64​

11.80​

0​

0​

4.79%​

Lyon, N M​

3​

4​

1​

0​

0​

1​

5​

11​

20.37​

3.67​

0​

0​

0.89%​

Boland, S M​

1​

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0.00​

0.00​

0​

0​

​

Hazlewood, J R​

2​

3​

3​

0​

0​

0​

7*​

11​

25.00​

-​

0​

0​

0.89%​

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

What happens if Bumrah get Konstas out for bugger all in both Melbourne and Sydney?? instantly gets a tour to Sri Lanka because he is young and needs the experience??