Cripps or Oliver.

[La Dispute]

Cripps hasn't been better than Oliver in entirety though

Cripps last 2 years has ben shitter than anything Oliver has ever produced and your reasoning backs up why these polls are useless

I don't think any Melbourne supporter is salty, winning the premiership washed that salt away pretty quickly. I think its the Carlton supporters that are salty af that the only thing they could cling to was that Cripps was a gun and for the last two years he has become a plodder.

There’s a lot of recency bias with Oliver.

In 2019 Cripps was doing what Oliver did in 2021 - and he certainly didn’t have arguably the best player in the league to assist in the midfield either. Just an 18-year old Sam Walsh and a bunch of battlers.

The average Dees fan overrates Oliver and underrates Cripps, which makes sense given most fairweather Melbourne fans started following last season and certainly weren’t paying attention as Cripps destroyed all and sundry in 2019.

In between polo meets and organising afternoon tea with Aunt Mildred how many Dees supporters had time to watch the rudderless Blues under David Teague?

Like the majority of Bigfooty, still leaning with Cripps on this one.

 

[00Stinger]

There’s a lot of recency bias with Oliver.

In 2019 Cripps was doing what Oliver did in 2021 - and he certainly didn’t have arguably the best player in the league to assist in the midfield either. Just an 18-year old Sam Walsh and a bunch of battlers.

The average Dees fan overrates Oliver and underrates Cripps, which makes sense given most fairweather Melbourne fans started following last season and certainly weren’t paying attention as Cripps destroyed all and sundry in 2019.

In between polo meets and organising afternoon tea with Aunt Mildred how many Dees supporters had time to watch the rudderless Blues under David Teague?

Like the majority of Bigfooty, still leaning with Cripps on this one.

over rating the defending AFLCA winner who just won the b&f in the premiership team?

Oliver was AA before Petracca even broke on to the scene, is that over looked?

The thing is Oliver has been top level since his second year, he has never been a plodder like Cripps has his last 2 years. That is indisputable, blaming the coach is piss weak for a guy whose only trick is the win contested football in the middle

 

[La Dispute]

over rating the defending AFLCA winner who just won the b&f in the premiership team?

Oliver was AA before Petracca even broke on to the scene, is that over looked?

The thing is Oliver has been top level since his second year, he has never been a plodder like Cripps has his last 2 years. That is indisputable, blaming the coach is piss weak for a guy whose only trick is the win contested football in the middle

And Cripps was AFLCA player of the year, and a dominant contested beast since his second season in the worst team in the league. 2 sub-par seasons don’t erase his full body of work.

Does Oliver reach the same heights with the same number of disadvantages as Cripps, including zero support in the midfield? Very unlikely.

Dees fans are content because Oliver has had a good couple of seasons while Cripps has struggled individually, but Cripps has also been there and done that.

Crazy Vossy has already turned Ollie Wines into a Brownlow medal winner, restoring Cripps to his former glory is his next project.

 

[Foxman98]

And Cripps was AFLCA player of the year, and a dominant contested beast since his second season in the worst team in the league. 2 sub-par seasons don’t erase his full body of work.

Does Oliver reach the same heights with the same number of disadvantages as Cripps, including zero support in the midfield? Very unlikely.

Dees fans are content because Oliver has had a good couple of seasons while Cripps has struggled individually, but Cripps has also been there and done that.

Crazy Vossy has already turned Ollie Wines into a Brownlow medal winner, restoring Cripps to his former glory is his next project.

What advantages did Oliver have? Their experienced mids were Jones and Vince thats it. The rest were young high draft picks Trac, Brayshaw, Viney with Trengrove and Tyson as the ones in between.

Wines was always a good player injured his shoulder had a poor year and bounced back. Why you think this was down to Voss alone is laughable. He also would be lucky to have been a top 10 mid last year and only won the brownlow as Boak is their next best midfielder and they have no real standouts.

Cripps had 2 good years for his body of work however he was actually made to stand out more then he should've e.g Rockliff at Brisbane because he was in a poor team hence why he has dropped off now the team is no longer a complete basket case bottom 2 club

 

[ManOfClay]

Wines … also would be lucky to have been a top 10 mid last year and only won the brownlow as Boak is their next best midfielder and they have no real

This is not a great take, but wouldn’t make the top 5 worst takes in this thread going by most of what la dispute posts

 

[La Dispute]

What advantages did Oliver have? Their experienced mids were Jones and Vince thats it. The rest were young high draft picks Trac, Brayshaw, Viney with Trengrove and Tyson as the ones in between.

Wines was always a good player injured his shoulder had a poor year and bounced back. Why you think this was down to Voss alone is laughable. He also would be lucky to have been a top 10 mid last year and only won the brownlow as Boak is their next best midfielder and they have no real standouts.

Cripps had 2 good years for his body of work however he was actually made to stand out more then he should've e.g Rockliff at Brisbane because he was in a poor team hence why he has dropped off now the team is no longer a complete basket case bottom 2 club

Certainly can’t recall Rockliff being confirmed as the best player in the league at any point. Are there any other comparisons other than he used to win a stupid amount of the ball?

You’ve pretty much answered your own question by listing Oliver’s supporting cast. Jones was a very good player before a steep drop off, Viney played 3 seasons at the elite level before Oliver was brought in via the draft. Vince was handy for a couple of years (Cross for a year?). Brayshaw was a good contributor from his first season. That group is a little one-paced and blunt, but that’s a decent set of inside mids for a young contested player to learn from and develop with.

Oliver has also had the benefit of Gawn’s best years, giving him silver service. Cripps had one year of peak Kreuzer and a cast of C-grade rucks otherwise.

Wines re-emerged as an elite mid following injury. Again - that is the point. Cripps has been in the wilderness through injury and has the opportunity to return to form under Crazy Vossy’s tutelage.

 

[La Dispute]

This is not a great take, but wouldn’t make the top 5 worst takes in this thread going by most of what la dispute posts

At least give us a tag.

Less conviction than Bailey Smith over a hard ball in the Grand Final.

 

[00Stinger]

And Cripps was AFLCA player of the year, and a dominant contested beast since his second season in the worst team in the league. 2 sub-par seasons don’t erase his full body of work.

Does Oliver reach the same heights with the same number of disadvantages as Cripps, including zero support in the midfield? Very unlikely.

Dees fans are content because Oliver has had a good couple of seasons while Cripps has struggled individually, but Cripps has also been there and done that.

Crazy Vossy has already turned Ollie Wines into a Brownlow medal winner, restoring Cripps to his former glory is his next project.

Stop it lol

Cripps is Mark Murphy MK2. Hit a high peak early on and then will just plod along for the next 7-10 or so years

Fact is that if all 18 teams have a choice between Oliver & Cripps ain't nobody taking Cripps

 

[00Stinger]

At least give us a tag.

Less conviction than Bailey Smith over a hard ball in the Grand Final.

Still has more hardballs in a grand final than anyone wearing a Carlton jumper in 20 years lol

 

[La Dispute]

Stop it lol

Cripps is Mark Murphy MK2. Hit a high peak early on and then will just plod along for the next 7-10 or so years

Fact is that if all 18 teams have a choice between Oliver & Cripps ain't nobody taking Cripps

Cripps is dominating the general poll, and it’s not even close.

Take off the blue and red glasses.

 

[La Dispute]

Still has more hardballs in a grand final than anyone wearing a Carlton jumper in 20 years lol

Gee we’re at a low bar here.

Unfortunately for Doggies fans they would have been better served if Smith had’ve watched the game from the comfort of his lounge room.

 

[00Stinger]

Cripps is dominating the general poll, and it’s not even close.

Take off the blue and red glasses.

hahaha because people voted stupidly 4 years ago. But like I said 18 clubs are taking the reigning AFLCA winning, b& f in the reigning premiership team who is 2 years younger over a bloke who is plodding along in a pretty average side

Its funny because on one thread you say Melbourne have Petracca and Oliver and the rest are just average yet you come on here and say Oliver benefits from being surrounded by guns, so which is it?

 

[La Dispute]

hahaha because people voted stupidly 4 years ago. But like I said 18 clubs are taking the reigning AFLCA winning, b& f in the reigning premiership team who is 2 years younger over a bloke who is plodding along in a pretty average side

Its funny because on one thread you say Melbourne have Petracca and Oliver and the rest are just average yet you come on here and say Oliver benefits from being surrounded by guns, so which is it?

Where is the proof 18 clubs (including by deduction the Blues) are taking Oliver over the people’s champion?

Meanwhile a neutral crowd poll has Cripps the consensus winner by a landslide margin.

I’ve said Oliver is benefitting from having the best midfielder and arguably the best ruckman in the league alongside. Surely that isn’t up for debate? Melbourne then have a couple of gritty inside mids in that mix who help lighten the load in Viney and Harmes. They might be median standard players, but that is far better than being surrounded by the likes of Ed Curnow, Matt Kennedy and a busted Marc Murphy.

You’re a bit all over the shop mate.

 

[BRider]

Oliver is BY far the superior player.

The guy can seriously play./

 

[Dez!]

Why are people getting sucked in by Carlton potatoes taking the piss?

 

[ManOfClay]

Why are people getting sucked in by Carlton potatoes taking the piss?

Are you new to bigfooty?

 

[Ash24]

Fact is that if all 18 teams have a choice between Oliver & Cripps ain't nobody taking Cripps

Lol when I bumped the thread I said that Cripps is back, as in back to the midfield bull who we saw in 2018-19. This would be evident to anyone who watched match sim through the pre-season or the practice match this week. Nobody here said that he's currently better than Oliver.

 

[schmuttt]

No because I know Dees fans are salty as fk that Cripps still has majority of votes and its the little things that keep us Blues fans going during the rabble of the last 20 years. Ill rethink my vote when they both call time on their careers and I can judge who was overall the better player over the span of their career. So far its been Cripps then Oliver and the next few years who knows who will come out on top

You are the only Carlton poster I like on here mate, keep it up (Well you and SolGoodman).

 

[danster168]

Cripps is dominating the general poll, and it’s not even close.

Take off the blue and red glasses.

lol. dude, the votes were from years ago. If they did the poll last year, the name of the thread should be Harmes vs Cripps. Cripps isn't close to Oliver. This whole thread is embarrassing now for Cripps. For Melbourne, Cripps wouldn't even make our starting midfield.

 

[La Dispute]

lol. dude, the votes were from years ago. If they did the poll last year, the name of the thread should be Harmes vs Cripps. Cripps isn't close to Oliver. This whole thread is embarrassing now for Cripps. For Melbourne, Cripps wouldn't even make our starting midfield.

Great sense of humour mate.

Cripps destroyed the competition in a rubbish side, he’d be a dual Brownlow medallist with Gawn and Petracca sitting alongside him at the stoppages.

Dee supporters have short memories and a lot tuned out completely after the 186 and tanking debacles - they just aren’t footy purists.

 

[Ash24]

lol. dude, the votes were from years ago. If they did the poll last year, the name of the thread should be Harmes vs Cripps. Cripps isn't close to Oliver. This whole thread is embarrassing now for Cripps. For Melbourne, Cripps wouldn't even make our starting midfield.

Let's revisit this after tonight, shall we?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Let's revisit this after tonight, shall we?

U just had to go and jinx it

 

[schmuttt]

Let's revisit this after tonight, shall we?

Practice match form meaning anything would have James Sellar as the next David Neitz.

 

[Trav 20]

Credit where it's due, I've seen enough of Cripps to suggest he's going to be a far better version of himself in 2022. Moving well.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Credit where it's due, I've seen enough of Cripps to suggest he's going to be a far better version of himself in 2022. Moving well.

Would be good for footy and this thread if he could continue form for the year instead of crashing and burning looking like a hobbled old man by Rd 3