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Crows devoid of passion -Grant Thomas
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I think we play with plenty of passion BUT i agree with
Neil Craig; deadpan, mellow, considered, measured, meticulous school teacher type managing a highly disciplined, robotic, professional outfit that has little emotion and truckloads of science. Michael Malthouse; assertive, aggressive, hunter, backs against the wall, planner, coaching a passionate, bubbling, energetic, emotional team that loves a challenge and an opportunity to proudly display their ability to deliver against the odds.
This game – to me was a classic case of the methodical and professional structured game plan being completely minimised and broken down by an aggressive and highly charged, emotional and passionate, bunch of guys who refused to believe they would be beaten.
Making 69 tackles to their 38 is symptomatic of the aggression and passion delivered to the Crows. In any fight their are two sets of rules; "Marques of Queensbury" or "dog and goanna". Obviously the former are the proper, professional, technically correct application – the latter being the "no holds barred", anything goes, little technique and lots of guts, passion and determination.
What we do is great and will win us a lot of games but when it comes to finals sometimes you just have to crash in forget about zones and the like just go get the ball kick it forward crash in again the well organised stuff works well and we see us win a lot of games every now and then you just have to forget about it and go back to basics OLD FASHIONED footy
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I wouldn't even wipe my arse with that crap article. Did he even watch the game? After the final siren you could see the devastation on all the faces of our players, yet Anthony bawls like a baby after kicking that goal and suddenly we have no passion?
I probably would, but only if it was printed on 4 ply tissue!
Seriously. I really can't see the use of getting fired up about articles like this from Vic-centric jouros. They're a dime a dozen and come from a position of ignorance and self promotion. Its like all those supporters who get fired up by Rucci. He's there to sell papers, and controversy sells. If you don't respect the writer though, then who cares what they write.
I think its better to find your zen and then look forward to what the Crows may accomplish in 2010 and beyond. The future is definietly bright.
What a piece of flipping dribble. I am going to tune into FC again tonight, Lyon normally defends us so I would like to see Thomas try and explain this. That is just sinking the boot in. No wonder he is getting sacked from all forms of media he is involved in.
Complete hack
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After hearing from an inside source the way Thomas shafted Blight and his team to get the saints gig i have no respect for him whatsoever. Consequently ignore everything he says.
Scheming, backstabbing, worm.
Scheming, backstabbing, worm.
I heard that there was a pretty scathing article written about Adelaide, so I decided to read it, not knowing the author.
Then I saw it was Grant Thomas. I had a chuckle, and proceeded to wipe my arse with it.
Then I saw it was Grant Thomas. I had a chuckle, and proceeded to wipe my arse with it.
The bloke still mixes up his basic "their/there" and is forced to stoop to the shallow depths of writing a random blog for Wide World Of Sports.
Grant Thomas - moving up in the world.
Grant Thomas - moving up in the world.
I was thinking the same thing PJ, its funny that he has to publish these in his own blog, can't even get that rubbish printed in the paid media.
Thomas eats passion for breakfast
it's one of his KPIs
it's one of his KPIs
Grant Thomas is a skid mark on the jockstrap of the AFL.
Yeah, that article is pretty much crap. One different decision and he'd be writing about how being "well-drilled" and "disclipined" allowed us to hold out the Pies.
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You guys don't think that there is just a hint of truth to the article?
Firstly let me say that the headline is just wrong. We are a passionate club. As a club we have never lost fewer than 8 games in a season. Ever. That is absolutely ridiculous and testament to the consistent pride and passion we display on a week to week basis. We never roll over and die, in particular under Craig. And we never accept that we are out of the running for a flag. We have rabid, passionate belief in what we do.
However, as a club we are not overly demonstrative with our passions or emotions. Goody's jump or Macca's brief point to the crowd are about the only consistent flashes of outward exuberance I can think of. Heck, Craig gave a player a public bake this season for the first time I can remember... and he apologised profusely!
As a club we seem to try not to fall victim to emotion. Emotion clouds your judgment and decision making, so we seek to control our emotions with how we play, how we select teams, how we manage contracts etc. Cold, hard, logic is how we operate. We process information and make the correct decision. Not sexy but that's the best way to operate IMO. I don't know why you are all so up in arms about the Thomas article. I would have thought that we would be proud of the clinical and professional way our club is run.
Anyhow, to the small hint of truth in the article. I wonder whether we do have the steetfighter, scrapper element in us to just get the job done when it counts, anytime, anyhow?
That last clearance against Collingwood we just had to win it. Just had to. No maybe. If we wanted to win the game, we had to get our hands on the ball. Our lives depended on it. Brent Harvey would have got his hands on the ball. Fraser Brown would have got his hands on the ball. Luke Hodge would have got his hands on the ball. They would have found a way. Somehow. Doesn't mean that any of them are better players or have had better careers than any of our guys but do we have that element of c*** in us to just get the job done when it counts?
Firstly let me say that the headline is just wrong. We are a passionate club. As a club we have never lost fewer than 8 games in a season. Ever. That is absolutely ridiculous and testament to the consistent pride and passion we display on a week to week basis. We never roll over and die, in particular under Craig. And we never accept that we are out of the running for a flag. We have rabid, passionate belief in what we do.
However, as a club we are not overly demonstrative with our passions or emotions. Goody's jump or Macca's brief point to the crowd are about the only consistent flashes of outward exuberance I can think of. Heck, Craig gave a player a public bake this season for the first time I can remember... and he apologised profusely!
As a club we seem to try not to fall victim to emotion. Emotion clouds your judgment and decision making, so we seek to control our emotions with how we play, how we select teams, how we manage contracts etc. Cold, hard, logic is how we operate. We process information and make the correct decision. Not sexy but that's the best way to operate IMO. I don't know why you are all so up in arms about the Thomas article. I would have thought that we would be proud of the clinical and professional way our club is run.
Anyhow, to the small hint of truth in the article. I wonder whether we do have the steetfighter, scrapper element in us to just get the job done when it counts, anytime, anyhow?
That last clearance against Collingwood we just had to win it. Just had to. No maybe. If we wanted to win the game, we had to get our hands on the ball. Our lives depended on it. Brent Harvey would have got his hands on the ball. Fraser Brown would have got his hands on the ball. Luke Hodge would have got his hands on the ball. They would have found a way. Somehow. Doesn't mean that any of them are better players or have had better careers than any of our guys but do we have that element of c*** in us to just get the job done when it counts?
Dangermouse did exactly that - he just couldn't handle it cleanly and get it into our forward line in time. What's your point?
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I was talking about the clearance prior to that. Maxwell gets the kick forward that leads to the winning goal. It was the third clearance attempt after a couple of ball ups were forced. But in three goes we couldn't clear it at the most important stage of the season.
These are the moments I'm talking about. The huge moments in games where the outcome is on the end of them. We've been on the wrong end of a number of games decided by less than a kick. I forget the stat but we are well behind. We rarely find a late goal. We concede plenty. When was our last Zaharakis moment? Our Luke Hodge late match winning goal? Our last Leo Barry Mark? Or our last Fraser Brown tackle?
Nothing to do with the coaches. Just a player standing up and delivering when it counts and deciding that today the team is not going to lose.
I agree.............When was our last moment when a player said **** this i am gonna win it myself off my own foot......No i mean really Win It!...Seriously..win it, not he almost got the clearance......he almost got the goal..but actually did it...not if he had 1 minute on clock.but did it before the final siren...........Zaharakis indeed.
Zaharakis hardly said **** it and won the game himself. He had hardly moved from his zone and got the ball passed to him, all he had to do was turn around and kick it through the sticks. Amazing way to win I know but hardly a, '**** it I am going to win this for my team, crash a pack, win the clerance, kind of moment'
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Don't really want to argue what exactly constitues one of these moments. If you don't think Zaharakis showed some balls by doing what he did, fine. But it doesn't really affect the question being asked here.
Would one of our players have been capable of doing the same?
I don't know. But I've never seen any one of our players do something similar, in recent times anyway.
There was a time, mainly 2007 and 2008, where I doubted the amount of passion the Crows played with.
We just never won close games and could always been written off if we were down at half time.
I don't know whether it was because we weren't playing with much flair, or just plain weren't up to scratch but it frustrated me. I just wanted the players to try, to bust their gut and give their all but it didn't look like that at times.
This year I haven't doubted them for once. The win in round 1 was just so amazing because we finally had the close win where we came from behind and I think that instilled the players with a lot of belief.
We just never won close games and could always been written off if we were down at half time.
I don't know whether it was because we weren't playing with much flair, or just plain weren't up to scratch but it frustrated me. I just wanted the players to try, to bust their gut and give their all but it didn't look like that at times.
This year I haven't doubted them for once. The win in round 1 was just so amazing because we finally had the close win where we came from behind and I think that instilled the players with a lot of belief.
Carl if the free isn't paid(I know it was and it was there) then Ottens' mark would be that huge moment in the game,he didn't know a free kick was going to be given as he stood up in the dieing seconds and took it under enormous pressure.
Tippett kicks a goal on the angle at his absolute limit and puts us in front.
The pressure was on and he didn't wilt.
The free isn't paid we win the game and these moments are the memorable ones.
There have been plenty of moments like that in the Crows history.
Jarman standing up in the last quarter in two finals,our comeback against the Dogs in a preliminary final.
These final four teams have won 5 grand finals between them in the last 50 years. Surely that stat alone demostrates that very few people get to stand up and just win it even if they wanted to. It's not that simple!
I witnessed Ablett kick nine goals and single handedly pull a team to within a whisker of winning a premiership, it didn't happen but not from want of trying.
Twiggy Dunn took a pack mark in a grand final,slotted the goal and gave Collingwood a second chance by drawing the game.... 'he found a way' but in the replay although they gave their all Collingwood found it wasn't enough.
Don't buy into this c**p... football is rarely like that.
Games of football ebb and flow, monentum changes and oppostion always come back if they have character. Luck,injuries and umpires do play a part, sometimes they go your way on this occassion it didn't.
Our team fights above it's weight time and time again and never gives in. The thing that marks the Crows as a proud team is that they keep coming back after the disappointments that losses like this brings.
Neil Craig will rightly congratulate the winning team and begin the hard work again it's the only thing you can do.Hard work and persistence will win us a premiership.
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grant thomas was devoid of any coaching skills himself so not sure we should worry about what that outsider has to say.
I get where you are coming from, Carl, but there were at least two free kicks that could (should?) have been paid against Sydney players in that marking contest. Sampi was clearly held by Kenneally. Roberts-Thompson barrelled into Chris Judd with no eyes on the ball.
If the umpire pays either of those, Leo Barry is Andy Otten 4 years too soon.
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Thats a laugh. Did Grant Thomas ever show any passion. Mick Malthouse shows passion and still hasnt won a flag at Filthwood. Paul Roos is the iceman and has won a flag.
Grant - THE WORST analyser in the game - Thomas. No wonder he gets sacked from every job he fills.
Grant - THE WORST analyser in the game - Thomas. No wonder he gets sacked from every job he fills.
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Fair posts from both of you and it was probably a little simplistic of me to pick out these individual moments.
The Bulldogs '97 preliminary there were so many small moments of quality in those frantic final moments from our players that contributed to the win. Kane Johnson's perfect pass, Jarman's set shot, Tyson Edwards' smother and final timely mark. If we falter at any of these stages then we lose the game. Crucially we didn't and we won the game. Now, you can put that down to good luck but the bottom line is that we won. We could have lost but we didn't.
The Kangaroos in the 90's had such a good track record in winning close games. Whether they were coming from behind or hanging on grimly to a lead they prevailed so often in those final quarter skirmishes, against all comers too. And in finals. Even after their glory days were finished they still had an unnerving knack of winning tight matches like these. Brent Harvey and Shannon Grant in particular would have big last quarters.
It happened too often for it to be just luck.
And I guess that's where I'm coming from. Is it happening too often to us that we cannot simply put it down to bad luck? Ross Lyon says that as a coach he is looking for patterns. He doesn't intervene every single time there is an error or something goes wrong but only if a pattern emerges.
