Opinion Crushed the Culture

[D23D]

But I heard Mr Scott say on SEN that he wanted to leave an "overarching legacy"

Well he is well on the way to delivering that!

 

[Event Horizon]

we aren't a destination club, simple. we have to build through the draft

You can't build through the draft with only two half decent picks per year. You either do a massive clean out and trade into a good position (eg 5 picks inside 30 or similar) and prepare for years of pain, or you use the system best you can. Higgins is a class player who we got still at his prime. It can be done. If we can land a class young player (eg Swallow junior, JOM, Steele, Prestia, or equivalent) we would change the image you're referring to.

 

[giantroo]

You can't build through the draft with only two half decent picks per year. You either do a massive clean out and trade into a good position (eg 5 picks inside 30 or similar) and prepare for years of pain, or you use the system best you can. Higgins is a class player who we got still at his prime. It can be done. If we can land a class young player (eg Swallow junior, JOM, Steele, Prestia, or equivalent) we would change the image you're referring to.

This is what Brad said a while back on SEN.

Here is the audio:

listen to this on Audioboo

 

[Event Horizon]

You are 100% correct. Dish etc had to be dropped 6 weeks ago when the rot started to set in. Boomers departure is a joke. I just want one answer from Scott - who is Boomer keeping out of the team? Absolutely no one. Also, he along with 2 -3 others are the only players that can hit up players in our forward line. It is just laughable at how stupid it was to kick Boomer out.

The painful aspect of the Harvey decision is that he is still our best inside 50 kick by a mile. Supporters go to games to watch class players. Not simply hard nuts who dominate packs. Class is a rare commodity in this team.

 

[berniemccarthy]

The rot started this year when Scotts opened his big fat trap bitching unsubstantiated comments about the Umpires.

Toot Toot...the Karma Bus then pulled up....so to speak.

Fines...injuries...booing LT...Spud gate...on and on and on until screwing up the organization of a ending of careers.

Well you can tell the karma bus to stop by Geoff Walshs place on the way as it was his gigantic mouth that told Brad. Don't let the door hit you on the way out Geoff. Get Balme to NMFC.

 

[Event Horizon]

This is what Brad said a while back on SEN.

What exactly did he suggest we were planning? I missed it.

I hope we'll see some planned action in the offseason. Otherwise this was an amputation rather than a healthy surgery.

 

[Dugdale2Dwyer]

Wondering how much money this delistment action has cost the club through membership non renewals and fans not turning up for the rest of the year, hard to quantify I know but in business if one of the managers keeps losing the business money then eventually he is let go, it's been a costly year from JB, Geoff and Brad.

 

[giantroo]

What exactly did he suggest we were planning? I missed it.

I hope we'll see some planned action in the offseason. Otherwise this was an amputation rather than a healthy surgery.

The exact some thing you mentioned. For a full rebuild to work, you must trade and get those multiple early picks.

 

[Event Horizon]

The exact some thing you mentioned. For a full rebuild to work, you must trade and get those multiple early picks.

Yes, that's the reality. But I wonder what's his plan? Option A or Option B from my earlier post?

 

[utility]

This is what Brad said a while back on SEN.

Here is the audio:

listen to this on Audioboo

33 minutes in.

Some commentary from Malthouse 17 minutes in.

 

[Samsquanch]

The painful aspect of the Harvey decision is that he is still our best inside 50 kick by a mile. Supporters go to games to watch class players. Not simply hard nuts who dominate packs. Class is a rare commodity in this team.

How do you think the North culture could have been strengthened, if the club allowed Spitta to step down as Captain for his own sake, to allow him to play his own game without the need to be responsible for the team on the field, and reappointed Boomer for 2017 Captain, to see out his career as the on field general?

Maybe they could not have announced it until end of season, but when the news broke, it could have caused an entirely different attitude amongst supporters. In fact, there is no reason that they could not have announced it - so long as Spitta was on board with it.

 

[ozzyoslo]

I have never attended a north game which was as flat as tonight..

You didn't witness the game where Schimmabulsch coached us against Adelaide before he got the flick........maybe you were too young but the club finally have shown some ruthlessness !!

Stop with the emotional crap.......read and listen to what Petrie, Spud and Boomer have stated.....Dal doesn't count.

 

[CarnTheKANGAS]

You didn't witness the game where Schimmabulsch coached us against Adelaide before he got the flick........maybe you were too young but the club finally have shown some ruthlessness !!

Stop with the emotional crap.......read and listen to what Petrie, Spud and Boomer have stated.....Dal doesn't count.

What emotional crap? It felt like there was zero energy inside etihad last night. From the amount of likes the pist received, I suggest this feeling/observation was shared.

 

[ansonholt]

Maybe there is another way of looking at this. Football teams winning quite often come down to a core group of players. Sure, everyone plays their role in games, and some much better than others, but generally there are a few who take the lead, drive the side, set things up, do the magical, team lifting things.

Boomer has been that for us for at least 10 years.

We need others to start taking on that role. As many of them as possible. I'm thinking of Ben Brown, Mason Wood and possibly a few others outside of, say, JZ JMac and Robbie Tarrant.

There has to be more pressure on others to show leadership on the field for a team to grow and for players to be better. There also needs to be more opportunities to do this, so that players grow and take the next step, to use a well worn cliche.

I see this decision as positive in that instance. It's highly likely that Petrie, Firrito and Dal Santo would have continued to do enough to keep their places next year. But then maybe Majak gets no game time, or Ryan Clarke, or Mitch Hibberd. Or EVW or Neilsen or several others, including whoever we draft with pick 11 this year.

It's the right decision. We need to put it on the next level of leaders to start taking responsibility. Leaving Brent Harvey in the side might mean that some others don't take quite as much of a leap in their own minds as they would if he was still out there.

When he's had the footy many times this year, I think many team mates would, whether they realise it or not, just think to themselves: Boomer's got this. He'll hit that target in F50. He'll kick that team lifting goal. He'll link and run down the wing. I don't have to do it.

Now they do. It's on them. I like the decision.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

The fact that we need to get rid of Harvey for them to do that suggests they probably don't have that in them anyway tbh.

Isaac Smith doesn't defer that goal in the 2013 GF because Hodge and Mitchell are out there. Jack Steven doesn't get 30 touches in a half with finals on the line because Riewoldt is there to do it etc.

To me your post just highlights our player development issues rather than justifying letting Boomer go.

 

[ansonholt]

Player development is exactly what this is about. We can't get games into guys if older players are performing 'adequately'.

As for Boomer, it's a tough decision but I honestly think the signs were there at times this year, sometimes for entire games, sometimes for patches within games that he might have replicated Petrie's 2016 output in 2017. That's just speculation.

We have a good core group that need to lead now and stay bringing the younger guys through. That's my point. A premiership may be out of reach at the moment, so nows the time for a reset.

I'm not saying younger players don't do great things, I'm saying a bit of extra responsibility wouldn't hurt a few of our guys.

 

[Arden]

You didn't witness the game where Schimmabulsch coached us against Adelaide before he got the flick........maybe you were too young but the club finally have shown some ruthlessness !!

Stop with the emotional crap.......read and listen to what Petrie, Spud and Boomer have stated.....Dal doesn't count.

I think he's talking about the crowd mate

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Of course not, but the ones we need to step up and take the responsibility off Boomer have had games pumped into them for the last five years. If they are not doing it week in week out now they're not going to suddenly start because the legend is gone.

 

[Gasometer]

Well you can tell the karma bus to stop by Geoff Walshs place on the way as it was his gigantic mouth that told Brad. Don't let the door hit you on the way out Geoff. Get Balme to NMFC.

And Scotts didn't have the composure to shut the **** up and verify it. Idiots then...and now.

 

[shinboner magic]

When Scott took over he tried to can the shinboner spirit - the guy is a plant to destroy us from within.
No one can be this incompetent

 

[Arden_St_Forever]

Jesus Christ reincarnated could coach our side and it wouldn't matter. Not enough talent. People blaming brad Scott are delusional.

 

[Arden_St_Forever]

Jesus Christ reincarnated could coach our side and it wouldn't matter. Not enough talent. People blaming brad Scott are delusional.

And that lack of talent is a result of...recruiters....poor list management...which he has an overall say in. Thinking that we were in a premiership window to recruit players on the dawn of 30 years of age...some of the stuff that has happened this week is because he may have been delusional himself.
And what legacy did he say he wanted to leave at the Club....he knows now that his appointment at the Club won't be beyond 2018...that would complete 9 years at the Club with no premiership (lets not delude ourselves that we are anywhere near the Swans/Hawks or GWS for that matter)..so his next two seasons are purely academic

 

[Arden_St_Forever]

This board seems to attract a lot of chicken littles- the players are useless; the coach is no good; the captain can't play; the recruiters haven't recruited the last 10 Brownlow medallists etc. etc. We did make the preliminary finals the last 2 years and have made the finals this year despite a crippling run of injuries but the world is coming to an end. Why not enjoy the footy instead of whinging all the time?

Keep accepting mediocrity....yes and those preliminary final losses indicate how close we really were

 

[ApplecrossWC]

If you are reading, time to fall on your sword Mr Scotts, for the good of everyone

god bless

 

[Arden_St_Forever]

I'm from the Alanis Morrissette school of not quite knowing what irony is. So having said that, I find it ironic that many of us have lamented Brad's culture or not making hard decisions, unaccountability for performance, a sticking with senior blokes and not backing younger guys. Then when he finally makes a hard call on senior players so he can back younger players, that's what crushes the culture that we wanted crushed for a long time.

Just like rain on your wedding day I guess.

It is ironic when he categorically stated he picks players HE likes....