Cummins Overrated?
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wow , how stats can be stretched
he bowled 48 over zampa only one close with 50 overs. 11 wkts
rest about 25 overs
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ling_by_team.html?id=12791;team=2;type=series
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14 wickets in 48 overs is an elite strike rate, any way you slice it.
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A strike rate of 20 in a series is ****ing unbelievable.
No, no, he's not a bad player, goes alright. Just not 'world class'.
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Not sure but thinking that Cummins is a bit inflated for the group that he is in.. they are all a bit inflationary and they all
need to catch a bit of history with all this.. Read a bit about the previous history and you will know the lengths that the
others have gone to get where 'you' are...
need to catch a bit of history with all this.. Read a bit about the previous history and you will know the lengths that the
others have gone to get where 'you' are...
Back in the side and takes a lazy 3 for 24.
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how good is our bowling attack at the moment. Cummins, Hazelwood, Siddle, Lyon, Starc and Pattinson
That's impressive both in quality and depth
That's impressive both in quality and depth
Currently has the fifth highest ICC bowling peak ranking of all time, on level pegging with McGrath circa 2001 and behind only Lohmann, Barnes, Imran and Murali.
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- Mar 25, 2003
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Big fan of Cummins but that seems a bit excessively high to me.
Would love to know how they get to that figure.
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Probably due to the fact he's performed everywhere and taken a bucketload of wickets with plenty of them on lifeless decks in the last 12 months.
Players are rated on their relative performance to others in the game so I'd imagine he gets plenty of points for the India series for example.
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Yep I remember reading something about relativity to other performances in the match they played, which would account for a lot.
It's interesting that a number of the West Indies great bowlers are lower than you would expect... Are they punished too much for having such good performers around them?
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Quite likely although I remember Ponting having a very high max rating
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Amazing! It's funny because for the first time this ridiculous thread title actually has some relevance haha i.e. he is nowhere near top 5 all time (yet).
But just goes to show how consistently good he has been since debut. Now that he has reached 100 wickets there is no handbrake on his ranking, and certainly bowlers who have little competition for wickets benefit (see Murali). He also gets highly rated batsmen out a lot which helps his ranking.
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It's not saying he's the 5th best ever. It's saying the last year or however long the ranking period is for is amongst the best years any bowlers have had, given the conditions, which doesn't seem unreasonable at all.
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It actually does take the player's whole career into account, but it is weighted towards recent performances. You can't just get up to high 800s rating after a decent year. As a best ever rating I think it offers a good balance between rating players at their 'peak' and judging their body of work.
He's got a strike rate of 45 which is very good, will probably drop a little at some point and he keeps taking wickets. He's so consistent that I'm starting to take him for granted. Always thought he had the best brain out of our bowlers by some way. But long way to go in his career yet.
His batting has played a part in Smith's great run as well, Smith would have probably been cost 5 tons in recent years without Cummins hanging in with him.
Great to have a tailender who doesn't just slog his way out of trouble.
Great to have a tailender who doesn't just slog his way out of trouble.
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as usual special treatment for any NSW player
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Yes his short ball is a weapon but I still feel like not enough of his deliveries with the new ball are hitting the stumps or 4th stump line.
Certainly hasn't stopped him this series though! Currently sitting on 14 wickets @ 14.5 runs/wicket.
Certainly hasn't stopped him this series though! Currently sitting on 14 wickets @ 14.5 runs/wicket.
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I stole this from reddit but this goes to show just how unbelievable he has been
Since his return in 2017 he's averaged:
30 with 8 wickets in India
29 with 6 wickets in Bangladesh
24 with 23 wickets against England
21 with 22 wickets in South Africa
27 with 22 wickets against India
7 with 22 wickets against Sri Lanka (not a typo)
14 with 16 wickets in England.
Those averages are insane.
