Dale Thomas-finally shaking the overrated tag?

[chop_me]

this thread is rubbish...

how about waiting at least until mid-season before starting this type of thread?

if he puts in a bad one this week.. .and this thread will be brought up again..

the reason why he is overrated is that people start yelling on the forum that he is "the one" as soon as he strings together a few games...


there's no need to tell people that he is not overrated..... if he plays well, people will recognize him eventually... .just let it be

 

[Vendrell]

He's one of Buckley's favourites because of his hard training and hard running.

Bucks was right about what he saw in Maxwell so we'll see what happens with Thomas.

 

[Blues_Man]

this thread is rubbish...

how about waiting at least until mid-season before starting this type of thread?

if he puts in a bad one this week.. .and this thread will be brought up again..

the reason why he is overrated is that people start yelling on the forum that he is "the one" as soon as he strings together a few games...


there's no need to tell people that he is not overrated..... if he plays well, people will recognize him eventually... .just let it be

This ^^^ consistency is the key ..it's how all players should be rated.

 

[absfab]

No, he has the profile of a pop star. Kids like him.

As a footballer he has progressed steadily.

By what measure?

To the end of 09 he has for four seasons been a less than goal a game small forward with a poor tackling record, who has had an occasional run further up the ground without getting a lot of ball, and without doing earth shattering things with it when he does. In fact has done some mind blowingly terrible things with it. Most memorable to date for the underground pass to nobody.

You want a measure to put things in perspective?

Try Eddie Betts, who will soon be Carlton's third choice small forward. Equivalent age and experience, but by all key measures other than cheesie advertising Betts is way ahead. Allmost a goal a game ahead in scoring, massively ahead in tackling and pressure, more or less equivalent in getting the hands on the ball. And has improved in those measurements every year since debut.

Nobody rates Eddie as more than a contributor, and he deserves the question marks over him, but he is to date streets ahead of Thomas.

 

[Gone Critical]

By what measure?

To the end of 09 he has for four seasons been a less than goal a game small forward with a poor tackling record, who has had an occasional run further up the ground without getting a lot of ball, and without doing earth shattering things with it when he does. In fact has done some mind blowingly terrible things with it. Most memorable to date for the underground pass to nobody.

You want a measure to put things in perspective?

Try Eddie Betts, who will soon be Carlton's third choice small forward. Equivalent age and experience, but by all key measures other than cheesie advertising Betts is way ahead. Allmost a goal a game ahead in scoring, massively ahead in tackling and pressure, more or less equivalent in getting the hands on the ball. And has improved in those measurements every year since debut.

Nobody rates Eddie as more than a contributor, and he deserves the question marks over him, but he is to date streets ahead of Thomas.

Thomas should be seen as what he is a good young player , not great, who has started 2010 in good style. This thread will only probably serve to stimulate the many who have an axe to grind re Thomas and see only the image

You obviously fall into this group. Betts v Thomas is a poor comparison and you should know it. They are v different players. Thomas plays much further up the ground as a rule. Stats are not the only way of judging a player but its the only measure you have used.

Spin this another way if a swap was proposed btween Thomas and Betts Collingwood would reject it outright but Carlton would be keen in my view.

Its not I dont rate Eddie, he is a good forward pocket specialist (I am suprised you have elevated Garlett and Yarran above him so quickly) but Thomas just offers a lot more

 

[smiddaz123]

Has Eddie Betts ever played as a tagger?

 

[robertg22]

FWIW, Thomas hasn't played exclusively as a small forward since mid 2008.

 

[Dynamics]

Betts and Thomas makes little sense as a comparison as Daisy has played in positions Eddie hasn't regularly in order to develop his all around game. Played a lot of defensive roles last year - looking forward to seeing Betts do the same, along with some regular hard running in the midfield. Not saying he can't do it or his coach won't ask it of him, but it's not a just comparison right now.

In terms of the OP, very happy with the form thus far this year but let's wait and see. I have faith in the kid and have always thought he would be a good footballer , but many a thing can happen between Round 4 and the GF.

And for those asking "why" Daisy has the media profile he does with what he's achieved on the ground thus far, just look at the response to this thread. Say "Dale Thomas" and watch the heads turn. Love him or hate him, that's just reality.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Waste of time starting a thread prasing Thomas. He is a good but not great player. He is underrated on Bigfooty, rated fairly by footy fans in general and over rated by some media scribes.

The one thing that I do know is when people say he is soft their opinions don't count. These opinions are either hopelessly biased or come from opinionated people who just don't know much.

Nailed it.

 

[FootyJunkie]

Dale is still, like, OMG, so hawwwttt!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Try Eddie Betts, who will soon be Carlton's third choice small forward. Equivalent age and experience, but by all key measures other than cheesie advertising Betts is way ahead. Allmost a goal a game ahead in scoring, massively ahead in tackling and pressure, more or less equivalent in getting the hands on the ball. And has improved in those measurements every year since debut.

Nobody rates Eddie as more than a contributor, and he deserves the question marks over him, but he is to date streets ahead of Thomas.

Thomas is Collingwoods fifth or sixth choice small forward, behind Didak Davis Medhurst and probably also Dick and Lockyer. He is on no way comparable to Betts, who is a good player but a one trick pony.

 

[PAUR]

Starting a thread about your own teams player on an open forum is just silly IMO.

Every team has a team board, this stuff should go there. Otherwise it just makes the board filled with "I like this player, everyone please agree with me"

On the OP, wait till seasons end: What has more chance of occurring, more than 70% of ten coin flips being heads or more than 70% of ten thousand coin flips being heads? Assuming 50% odds for heads or tails the answer is the lesser coin flips. If that didn't go over your head its the same reason why a player can play awesome for 5 games but isn't a superstar.

 

[The Fireman]

We all know that Collingwood heads the pack in overating their own but the funny thing is that they tend to choose the flashy pretentious ordinary player over much better ones.

For EG...Maxwell swoops on the ball and kicks a goal...cheers and some friendly applause...Daisy does the same and the roof comes down.
Funny people.

 

[Nathan Q Brown]

We all know that Collingwood heads the pack in overating their own but the funny thing is that they tend to choose the flashy pretentious ordinary player over much better ones.

For EG...Maxwell swoops on the ball and kicks a goal...cheers and some friendly applause...Daisy does the same and the roof comes down.
Funny people.

you are just making stuff up. a maxwell goal would bring the house down. Thomas has been in great form and got the max votes from both coaches last week. just coz you keep bleating that he has been playing "ordinary" won't make it so! now get back to the Saint Salary Cap threads! - if you can handle it without JD

 

[The Fireman]

you are just making stuff up. a maxwell goal would bring the house down. Thomas has been in great form and got the max votes from both coaches last week. just coz you keep bleating that he has been playing "ordinary" won't make it so! now get back to the Saint Salary Cap threads! - if you can handle it without JD

Do you really think I'm the only one that sees it?

 

[LordJimmy]

this thread is rubbish...

how about waiting at least until mid-season before starting this type of thread?

if he puts in a bad one this week.. .and this thread will be brought up again..

the reason why he is overrated is that people start yelling on the forum that he is "the one" as soon as he strings together a few games...


there's no need to tell people that he is not overrated..... if he plays well, people will recognize him eventually... .just let it be

Great post. This is a silly thread.

I think Thomas has it in him - often belies his typecast role.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Rubbish, was one of Collingwood's best that day.

Two years ago, he was a one way runner, but at the start of last year he took that out of his game and was very defensively minded. Too much so. Didn't run or create enough, but this year he seems to have found a good mix of both.

IMO the only opposition supporter who deserves any credit for their contribution to this thread.

You have assessed him perfectly and I think it's because MM was trying to round out his game a bit. He played a lot of roles as a defensive forward and played decently without setting the world on fire. The highlights of his 2009 were the defensive role he played on Drummond (killed him) and he tagged Judd for half a game and toweled him up. This is no mean feat. There were of course other games where he just wasn't involved enough and that has been the knock on him so far in his career.

This season he has played 4 good games with 2 of them very very good and he would be top 3 in the Copeland right now along with Wellingham and O'Brien. He looks like he has learned where to run and it appear like he has been given his offensive license back, although now he is chasing hard when he doesn't have the ball.

The calls that Dale is soft are simply ignorant and idiotic. These are people who don't watch him play, hate his face when they see him on tv and think "he's flashy, he must be soft". It's funny that most of the calls are coming from Carlton fans as well; the club that has Bryce Gibbs and Heath Scotland on their list. This is the same team that had Nick Stevens in it until recently and has a whole midfield of one way runners who refuse to chase at any point. I include Judd and Murphy in that debate as well and although the Carlton midfield has a lot of talent, it is terrible when an opposition player has the ball. Dale is and always has been a very courageous player. He ALWAYS puts his head over it when it's his time to go and has been in the 2 or 3 hardest runners at the club for a couple of years now. The problem was that he was lightweight, had a small tank and didn't know where to run. He has gotten bigger since last season, has improved his endurance and has learned where to run probably due to following around some stars last season. The increase in his possession number is testament to this. He is a good player (not a very good player) who is threatening to take that next step. Personally I think he will.

 

[stanley86]

i know it makes no difference to playing ability but he is one of the nicest blokes you will ever meet, i wont go into my personal dealings with him (no im not a friend or relation, just someone who through a bad situation got a chance to meet him) and i will never forget it ... he was superfit last year but told to concentrate on his defensive aspects, he seems to have found a balance at the start of this year and doing well
i hope he keeps it up not only for the team i support but for him personally to change some perceptions of him in the public, and im happy to admit i couldn't help but feel he wasn't getting the most out of himself in previous years, which is once again that consitency word

 

[absfab]

FWIW, Thomas hasn't played exclusively as a small forward since mid 2008.

Very very few players do. The half back lines and increasingly the forward lines are midfield rotations in every team.

Yet the Collingwood website lists him as a small forward.


If you want to call him a midfielder to excuse the paltry forward line contribution - then his contribution still fails to impress.

 

[absfab]

Thomas is Collingwoods fifth or sixth choice small forward, behind Didak Davis Medhurst and probably also Dick and Lockyer. He is on no way comparable to Betts, who is a good player but a one trick pony.

I won't even waste the letters to point out the holes in that fantasy.

 

[robertg22]

Very very few players do. The half back lines and increasingly the forward lines are midfield rotations in every team.

Yet the Collingwood website lists him as a small forward.


If you want to call him a midfielder to excuse the paltry forward line contribution - then his contribution still fails to impress.

Played a bunch of run with roles last year, most of the time lines up on a wing. Versatile player...