News Dan Houston traded to Collingwood

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Talks are about 6 and 20 haha what do you mean they aren't getting 6. The only thing that might go the other way is a future 3rd.
Whose talks? Some big footy nuffs?

Rioli ain't worth 6.

We're never getting pick 2 anyway, but I was just playing around with how a trade of fair value might get it done.
 
Whose talks? Some big footy nuffs?

Rioli ain't worth 6.

We're never getting pick 2 anyway, but I was just playing around with how a trade of fair value might get it done.
Just Cal Twomey, Riley Beveridge, Mitch Cleary who've mentioned it

I think you're just undervaluing the modern trades value massively.
 
I feel like I’m losing my mind hearing all these undervaluations of Dan Houston.

He’s 27 and the back to back AA HBF. About to hit his prime. I expect him to win 4 of the next 5 AA HBF selections. He will retire at least a 6 time AA player. Any team he goes into, he will be a top 3 player at the club and poll top 3 in their B&F for quite a few years.

Let’s be real here. Pick 2 is a nice number. Pick 2 could be the next Petracca or it could be the next O’Rourke.

Pick 2 doesn’t even come close to Houston’s value. If the deal was pick 2 for Houston plus something back, I would be beyond livid.

The starting point should be pick 2 plus something else.

A more suitable trade would be:
Port in: pick 2 & north F1
North in: Houston & port f2
 

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I feel like I’m losing my mind hearing all these undervaluations of Dan Houston.

He’s 27 and the back to back AA HBF. About to hit his prime. I expect him to win 4 of the next 5 AA HBF selections. He will retire at least a 6 time AA player. Any team he goes into, he will be a top 3 player at the club and poll top 3 in their B&F for quite a few years.

Let’s be real here. Pick 2 is a nice number. Pick 2 could be the next Petracca or it could be the next O’Rourke.

Pick 2 doesn’t even come close to Houston’s value. If the deal was pick 2 for Houston plus something back, I would be beyond livid.

The starting point should be pick 2 plus something else.

A more suitable trade would be:
Port in: pick 2 & north F1
North in: Houston & port f2
You've just gone some undervaluation to severe overvaluation. Dan Houston for pick 2, fair deal and everyone moves on. Yes he could be get another 2 AA and be a B&F winner at his next club but that doesnt mean we are gonna get pick 2 and possibly pick 2-6 for him next year too.
 
Isn’t it funny how a pick 1 can get you a Jack watts but it’s an absurd notion to suggest anything near it could get you a Dan Houston
 
Some random Pies supporter on the main board reckons Dan Houston will nominate the Pies as his preferred club of choice next week.

If true, looks like Chris Davies is really working the phones before he crosses the border.
 
Some random Pies supporter on the main board reckons Dan Houston will nominate the Pies as his preferred club of choice next week.

If true, looks like Chris Davies is really working the phones before he crosses the border.
Its probably why he was non-committal on the value we are placing on Houston. So he can get him for unders on the other side.

The only way we should agree to a deal is by taking pick 12 and future 1st, nothing back. Thats if they get 12 for Noble by giving up plenty of other picks to make up the points.
 
I feel like I’m losing my mind hearing all these undervaluations of Dan Houston.

He’s 27 and the back to back AA HBF. About to hit his prime. I expect him to win 4 of the next 5 AA HBF selections. He will retire at least a 6 time AA player. Any team he goes into, he will be a top 3 player at the club and poll top 3 in their B&F for quite a few years.

Let’s be real here. Pick 2 is a nice number. Pick 2 could be the next Petracca or it could be the next O’Rourke.

Pick 2 doesn’t even come close to Houston’s value. If the deal was pick 2 for Houston plus something back, I would be beyond livid.

The starting point should be pick 2 plus something else.

A more suitable trade would be:
Port in: pick 2 & north F1
North in: Houston & port f2
Pick #2 is worth so much more than Houston it isn't funny. This is crazy talk. A 14-16 year near guaranteed gun, for a gun player with maybe 5-6 years left, and a couple before the decline. Theres just no way that balances.

Think about the JHF/Daicos draft. Imagine you said, you would take 5-6 years of Houston ahead of either of those 2 for beyond the next decade, you'd be kidding yourself.
 
Some random Pies supporter on the main board reckons Dan Houston will nominate the Pies as his preferred club of choice next week.

If true, looks like Chris Davies is really working the phones before he crosses the border.
I can't see Houston nominating a club that can't get the deal done. Collingwood only have pick 33.
 
Maybe Future 1st, Richards & a swap of later picks?

With Howe nearing retirement, a play for Dan makes a lot of sense.
As far as I understand, we want a pick this year. Don't get that and I can't see a deal happening.

Hopefully Richards signs on with Collingwood and we don't need to worry about him.
 
As far as I understand, we want a pick this year. Don't get that and I can't see a deal happening.

Hopefully Richards signs on with Collingwood and we don't need to worry about him.

If there’s legs to the story, I don’t think Dan would nominate the Pies unless his Manager is confident a deal can get done that will satisfy all parties.

Maybe we are interested in another Pies player? Harvey Harrison is an SA lad who goes alright.
 
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Pick #2 is worth so much more than Houston it isn't funny. This is crazy talk. A 14-16 year near guaranteed gun, for a gun player with maybe 5-6 years left, and a couple before the decline. Theres just no way that balances.

Think about the JHF/Daicos draft. Imagine you said, you would take 5-6 years of Houston ahead of either of those 2 for beyond the next decade, you'd be kidding yourself.
Except what you're missing out is this draft, while it is even and deep, doesn't have players like JHF and Daicos in it. After watching a ton of CTL, National Championships, SANFL u18s games and some VFL and WAFL vision, there literally is no one in the ilk of JHF, Daicos and Reid. Hence why there's a genuine confusion as to who's no.1. There's a good chance, greater than its been in the last 5 years at least, that the kid you pick at pick 2 could be just as good in raw terms as the kid you pick at 10 or perhaps even 15. Its all relative, and if Port were to give a F1 back to North for getting 2 and whatever in this draft that would be short of Houston's valuation in this market.

And the counter argument to yours is, what if North messes up its pick and takes a Will Phillips, Schache, O'Rourke, Bennell, Trengove, Plowman or Dow? Would they rather those or 5-6 years of Houston?
 
Whose talks? Some big footy nuffs?

Rioli ain't worth 6.
It kind of baffled me too but it seems the concept is that Richmond will pay all of Riolis salary during his time at the Suns. So the Tigers are basically buying pick 6, and the Suns are expanding their salary cap.

The Suns are playing with a different deck to everyone else, and it's kind of smart that they are finding ways to leverage their resources when the endless carousel of early picks hasn't worked.

It's frustrating though that they are entering into these funky pick buying deals with Vic clubs without too much questioning of it by the media- you'd imagine if Port or Adelaide had been the ones to benefit initially then there wouldve been uproar about the integrity of the draft.
 
Some random Pies supporter on the main board reckons Dan Houston will nominate the Pies as his preferred club of choice next week.

If true, looks like Chris Davies is really working the phones before he crosses the border.
I can only see Dan nomonating the Pies if Port get Perryman.

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Some random Pies supporter on the main board reckons Dan Houston will nominate the Pies as his preferred club of choice next week.

If true, looks like Chris Davies is really working the phones before he crosses the border.
If Dan nominated Collingwood, that would signify to me he doesn't really want to leave Port. :)
It's just a token gesture "See, I tried to get home but a trade couldn't get done..."
 
Richmond aren't getting 6 for Rioli. They would only get it with a shit load of 2025 points/picks. GC don't need 6, so they'll be happy to trade, but they won't be doing it for Rioli, they'd be getting there monies worth in additional value.

North don't have a reason to cough up 2. 2 is of huge value. Way, way more than Houston is worth.

We get pick 12 from Gold Coast in the Luko deal somehow ( future first?) we have Houston and 12 for pick 2? We could then work something around that to balance it out?
 
It kind of baffled me too but it seems the concept is that Richmond will pay all of Riolis salary during his time at the Suns. So the Tigers are basically buying pick 6, and the Suns are expanding their salary cap.

The Suns are playing with a different deck to everyone else, and it's kind of smart that they are finding ways to leverage their resources when the endless carousel of early picks hasn't worked.

It's frustrating though that they are entering into these funky pick buying deals with Vic clubs without too much questioning of it by the media- you'd imagine if Port or Adelaide had been the ones to benefit initially then there wouldve been uproar about the integrity of the draft.
Yeah well there you go. There has to be something more to it than just trading Rioli for 6, the other posters inference was that Rioli was worth 6 so Houston is worth more. But Rioli isn't worth 6, never will be, never has been. But 100's of 1000's of $ in the salary cap, might be to GC. Else they'll be pushing as I said for 2025 draft picks.
 
We get pick 12 from Gold Coast in the Luko deal somehow ( future first?) we have Houston and 12 for pick 2? We could then work something around that to balance it out?
So you think we should give up Houston and a future first for pick 2? Absolutely not. That would be one of the worst trades we've ever done.
 
Pick #2 is worth so much more than Houston it isn't funny. This is crazy talk. A 14-16 year near guaranteed gun, for a gun player with maybe 5-6 years left, and a couple before the decline. Theres just no way that balances.

Think about the JHF/Daicos draft. Imagine you said, you would take 5-6 years of Houston ahead of either of those 2 for beyond the next decade, you'd be kidding yourself.
It’s not guaranteed, or near, it’s potentially a gun.

This gun could have a severe injury, concussion issues or want to leave after two years.

I’d take pick 2 to limit our risk “, that’s it. What was Josh Sinn? Pick 12? Are you swapping Dan for the potential of Josh?
 
We get pick 12 from Gold Coast in the Luko deal somehow ( future first?) we have Houston and 12 for pick 2? We could then work something around that to balance it out?
If GC want more than a future 2nd for Luko, we say that we're not paying his salary dump.
 
We get pick 12 from Gold Coast in the Luko deal somehow ( future first?) we have Houston and 12 for pick 2? We could then work something around that to balance it out?
Make it a future second at most, not a future first (because GC are dumping his salary, just like Bowes a few years back) and then forget adding 12 in as part of the Houston deal.
 
I’d like us to convert Houston and Soldo into Lukosius and two top 20 draft picks in this year’s draft without giving up next year’s future first rounder. Alternatively Lukosius, a top 10 pick and a pick between 30-40.

If you break it down, I really think that’s fair.

Houston should be worth a pick between 7 and 12, and a second pick between 15-20. Turn the latter into Lukosius.

Soldo should be worth pick 30-40.

Go into this year’s draft and turn pick 7-12 into the best available midfielder and pick 30-40 into the best available dynamic small-mid forward.

Use existing pick 36 for a KPP (forward or back).

Use our third round pick for Richards if possible.

Use one of the remaining picks for Barrett.

Take the F-Ss in the rookie draft.

If possible turn Clurey into a third developing ruckman.

Delist F. Evans, Narkle, Kyle Marshall, Charleson.


Outs:
Houston
Soldo
Dixon
McKenzie
McCallum
F. Evans
Narkle
Charleson
K. Marshall
Clurey

Ins:
Lukosius
Richards
Pick 7-12 (midfielder)
Pick 30-40 (small-mid forward)
Pick 36 (KPP)
Barrett
Burgoyne
Montgomery
Developing/backup ruckman
Francou


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The only reason for singling out Evans and Narkle for delisting is that McEntee is contracted, which is ridiculous.

The alternative is to keep one of them if Boak retires.

I realise the above changes leave us with little mature depth, but we’ve missed out on Perryman and Cumming which doesn’t help there, and I’d rather us recycle young players to find those that can actually make it rather than persist with list cloggers with low ceilings.
 
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