News Dan Houston traded to Collingwood

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afl2004 said:
Who's decision was it to go after ratugolea for 2 years ? , he was average at his best , going after him was horrible recruiting
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Rat polled B&F votes in 19 games last year. He’s a role player. All casual fans see is a dropped mark or an errant kick but there’s a lot more to it.
 
Tibbs said:
LOL ... If we got 2 first round picks from Melbourne, they would NOT have been early picks. They would have split their first pick, and given us two later 1st rounders.

And guess what? - We would probably have selected ....... Joe Berry & Jack Whitlock!
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Also Melbourne's offer was there 1st and a future 1st. So we wouldn't have gotten an extra pick in this years draft. We would've gotten an extra pick in next years draft.

And as for trading up with Melbourne's future 1st, North didn't get a bite on their future 1st until the final pick of the 1st round. And that'll probably be a top 5 pick.

And the Dees offer came before their season totally imploded, so they were never going to be sending pick 5 and a future 1st our way.
 
I think Cripps got the best out of a turd of a situation. Petraccas tantrum, strong draft, Richmond's situation, and Dan's own antics turned this trade into a perfect storm of underpaying ****ery.
 

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shewho said:
Rat polled B&F votes in 19 games last year. He’s a role player. All casual fans see is a dropped mark or an errant kick but there’s a lot more to it.
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True. There’s his falling over.
 
chiwigi said:
Are people really here trying to make out we did well on the trade?

****s sake.
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No ... Read the room!

We didnt do well. Due to a number of reasons, we were screwed over. But IMO, the club had little choice. Forcing Houston to stay would have been counter-productive on multiple fronts. Also IMO, while Houston was a gun in his position, he is replaceable, and the addition of Berry, Whitlock, and Moraes, offers exciting potential.

In the end, we have come out of this ok. As with all draftees, we will only know definitively in years to come just how well we went.
 
Tibbs said:
You try that with Houston, and the message you send to other Vic players at Port is not good.
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Any player who doesn't want to come here because we don't want to let a player out of a three year contract for massive unders because he got a new girlfriend isn't a player I want here anyway.

The actual message we sent to the competition which I'm worried about is 'apply the slightest bit of pressure to us at the trade table and even if we have all the leverage we'll still cave like a Tasmanian mine'. And you can bet that's gonna have consequences next year and beyond.
 
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Schulzenfest said:
Any player who doesn't want to come here because we don't want to let a player out of a three year contract for massive unders because he got a new girlfriend isn't a player I want here anyway.

The actual message we sent to the competition which I'm worried about is 'apply the slightest bit of pressure to us at the trade table and even if we have all the leverage we'll still cave like a Tasmanian mine'. And you can bet that's gonna have consequences next year and beyond.
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It already was evident this year.

Everyone knew we'd crumble.

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Tibbs said:
No ... Read the room!

We didnt do well. Due to a number of reasons, we were screwed over. But IMO, the club had little choice. Forcing Houston to stay would have been counter-productive on multiple fronts. Also IMO, while Houston was a gun in his position, he is replaceable, and the addition of Berry, Whitlock, and Moraes, offers exciting potential.

In the end, we have come out of this ok. As with all draftees, we will only know definitively in years to come just how well we went.
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Bullshit!
You read the room, you're objectively wrong. We got screwed compared to similar trades and situations, absolutely rammed!
 
chiwigi said:
Bullshit!
You read the room, you're objectively wrong. We got screwed compared to similar trades and situations, absolutely rammed!
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Rubbish pal ... "Objectively wrong"? .... Geez, you obviously cant read English! Firstly, I said "we were screwed over" ... The point I was making, that in the end we were forced by the combined circumstances to get the deal done. Those ARE the "objective facts."

Secondly, name just ONE similar situation that you mention?

1] Interstate contracted player wants to go back home to be with partner
2] Said player dicks around, changing nominated clubs, finally picks club with the worst capital
3] Only way we can get the deal done is to work with a third club, who has another offer, giving us a deadline.
4] Another deal to trade in a top-tier player hinges on it getting done
5] The following year's draft is massively compromised.

Those are the objective facts. People can get angry over it, but many are just being stupid!
 

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Schulzenfest said:
Any player who doesn't want to come here because we don't want to let a player out of a three year contract for massive unders because he got a new girlfriend isn't a player I want here anyway.

The actual message we sent to the competition which I'm worried about is 'apply the slightest bit of pressure to us at the trade table and even if we have all the leverage we'll still cave like a Tasmanian mine'. And you can bet that's gonna have consequences next year and beyond.
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I cant argue with that. The only thing I can say, is that pressure wasnt slight, and it didnt just come from one club, it was from all fronts. The alternative, digging our heels in and walking away would have been disastrous IMO.

You are correct though. I am sure other clubs love dealing with us, knowing we like to facilitate player requests. The Dodoros of the AFL world come with knives to nego table. But then conversely, that reputation sits well with the more reasonable clubs, and we have been able to get some good deals done with GWS, North, WCE, etc.

Finally. I may be in the minority, but I just feel that supporters are overstating the worth of Houston. A player that will be 28 y/o at the start of next season. The position he plays, while he does it well, is easily replaceable IMO. We didnt get a soggy bag of chips for him. This was a good draft, and everyone knew. So in the end it was ok ... Just ok.

I am hugely p!ssed off with the club on many fronts, but happy to take the 'Devil's Advocate' on this.
 
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Wargreymon90 said:
Even if Berry and Whitlock turned into Ablett and Franklin, it is still a bad trade. We would just be saved by amazing drafting/luck.
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This is like saying the Shaun Burgoyne trade was great but we just ruined it with bad drafting.

When you're trading for magic beans, what you do with those magic beans matters. Sure, a trade can 'look' better when it is made due to getting a superior quality and/or quantity of magic beans but what you do with them is an absolutely critical part of the trade, you just don't know how it's going to turn out at the time.
 
I am optimistic that replacing Dan with a more dour defender/loose ball winner type player down back will change how teams set up against Port on the rebound and give teams more confidence to push higher up defensively which may allow Ports midfield to weave the ball forward quickly into a more open forward half.

Would be good to play a more slingshot style of football.
 
Tibbs said:
I cant argue with that. The only thing I can say, is that pressure wasnt slight, and it didnt just come from one club, it was from all fronts. The alternative, digging our heels in and walking away would have been disastrous IMO.

You are correct though. I am sure other clubs love dealing with us, knowing we like to facilitate player requests. The Dodoros of the AFL world come with knives to nego table. But then conversely, that reputation sits well with the more reasonable clubs, and we have been able to get some good deals done with GWS, North, WCE, etc.

Finally. I may be in the minority, but I just feel that supporters are overstating the worth of Houston. A player that will be 28 y/o at the start of next season. The position he plays, while he does it well, is easily replaceable IMO. We didnt get a soggy bag of chips for him. This was a good draft, and everyone knew. So in the end it was ok ... Just ok.

I am hugely p!ssed off with the club on many fronts, but happy to take the 'Devil's Advocate' on this.
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He will be 28? Yes so what he has been AA the last 2 years, his foot skills are irreplaceable in a side that is lacking in that area. Ridiculous to let him go.
 
Tibbs said:
I cant argue with that. The only thing I can say, is that pressure wasnt slight, and it didnt just come from one club, it was from all fronts. The alternative, digging our heels in and walking away would have been disastrous IMO.

You are correct though. I am sure other clubs love dealing with us, knowing we like to facilitate player requests. The Dodoros of the AFL world come with knives to nego table. But then conversely, that reputation sits well with the more reasonable clubs, and we have been able to get some good deals done with GWS, North, WCE, etc.

Finally. I may be in the minority, but I just feel that supporters are overstating the worth of Houston. A player that will be 28 y/o at the start of next season. The position he plays, while he does it well, is easily replaceable IMO. We didnt get a soggy bag of chips for him. This was a good draft, and everyone knew. So in the end it was ok ... Just ok.

I am hugely p!ssed off with the club on many fronts, but happy to take the 'Devil's Advocate' on this.
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I am a bit with you on this one Tibbs.

Houston is turning 28 and I think we over value him just a little bit. Very reliable and consistent but definitely replaceable. I think we absolutely 100 percent had to get into this draft and I feel like we have done well with our picks.

Bringing in 3 young guns plus Luko and Richards has given me some enthusiasm for the coming season which I did not have before the Trade/Draft.

These 3 could be 3 first rounders in many other drafts.
 
Rowd072 said:
I am a bit with you on this one Tibbs.

Houston is turning 28 and I think we over value him just a little bit. Very reliable and consistent but definitely replaceable. I think we absolutely 100 percent had to get into this draft and I feel like we have done well with our picks.

Bringing in 3 young guns plus Luko and Richards has given me some enthusiasm for the coming season which I did not have before the Trade/Draft.

These 3 could be 3 first rounders in many other drafts.
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Can say any player is Replaceable Really
 
Tibbs said:
Your opinion. But I 100% disagree. Melbourne did it with Petracca & Oliver, but 1] Being Victorian players at a Melbourne club, they might be able to get away with it, but even then, 2] their culture is stuffed, and this will set them back further next year.

You try that with Houston, and the message you send to other Vic players at Port is not good. Then as the Doctor mentioned, if we told Houston "No deal," then the Luko deal falls through.

So if we keep a p!ssed-off Houston, we miss out on Luko, walk away from this draft with very little, then Houston's value plummets, and we have a f1 pick next year that gets us a 50/50 player in the compromised draft.

Nah ... We've done ok.
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What about when say, Geelong held firm on Tim Kelly and still got an excellent deal the following season with no damage to their culture at all? What about when Sydney held Papley to his contract and he ended up signing a new one?

Houston would have gotten over it and played as normal. The idea that he would have thrown his toys out of the pram and been disruptive is silly. He's a professional. You don't have to let players with 3 years on their deal go for unders.

Also, I don't believe for a second that we're missing out on Luko for a future first. We could have gotten that deal over the line independently of the Houston deal if that was our sole focus.
 
Tibbs said:
LOL ... If we got 2 first round picks from Melbourne, they would NOT have been early picks. They would have split their first pick, and given us two later 1st rounders.

And guess what? - We would probably have selected ....... Joe Berry & Jack Whitlock!
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I'm sorry, but how is 2 late first rounders not better than 1 late first rounder?
 
El_Scorcho said:
The idea that he would have thrown his toys out of the pram and been disruptive is silly. He's a professional.
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Throwing his toys out of the pram, being disruptive and being unprofessional would be an excellent way to describe his behaviour towards club officials during the trade period.

I'm glad he's gone.
 
El_Scorcho said:
What about when say, Geelong held firm on Tim Kelly and still got an excellent deal the following season with no damage to their culture at all? What about when Sydney held Papley to his contract and he ended up signing a new one?

Houston would have gotten over it and played as normal. The idea that he would have thrown his toys out of the pram and been disruptive is silly. He's a professional. You don't have to let players with 3 years on their deal go for unders.

Also, I don't believe for a second that we're missing out on Luko for a future first. We could have gotten that deal over the line independently of the Houston deal if that was our sole focus.
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History is littered with players being held to their contracts. We most noticeably have been bent over thrice in three seasons, with Geelong keeping Ratugolea, then still making out like bandits even though he was uncontracted!! and now Houston.

We are the Port Adelaide Cucks at the trade table, everyone gets a turn with our players/picks.
 
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