Dane Swan vs Scott Pendlebury

[Kyle182]

Both have been fantastic servants to the club and we're extremely lucky to have both, Swan was almost delisted in 2004. Peddles was said to not be a Pick 5. Words can't describe how good they are, Can't pick one. #GoPies

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Both have been fantastic servants to the club and we're extremely lucky to have both, Swan was almost delisted in 2004. Peddles was said to not be a Pick 5. Words can't describe how good they are, Can't pick one. #GoPies

Pendles probably shouldn't have been a pick 5.




He should have been pick 1

 

[Kyle182]

Pendles probably shouldn't have been a pick 5.




He should have been pick 1

What are you talking about? Marc Murphy was clearly better Carlton drafted brilliantly that year. hahahahaha

 

[DoubleO7]

Captain Scott is quite unselfish in front of goals.

 

[doppleganger]

I checked the stats going back to 2007. Yes, Swan has kicked more goals, but Swan in that period since 07 has also spent far more time in the forward line than Pendles. Funny enough, Pendlebury kicked way more goals than Swan in 2007 which was that season Swanny was leading the Brownlow halfway through. Found that strange.

I think the goal count by the end of Pendlebury's career will either be about the same as Swan's or more anyway. Pendles is 191cm. He'll play his twilight years as an old school full forward and kick a lot of goals.

Swan's goal kicking numbers over his career are less impressive as he started off as a BP/HBF so in his first 30 or so games he was never really a chance at scoring a goal.

Pendles on the other hand was a mid from the get go, his second season is one of only two seasons where he has kicked 20 goals in a season.

Swan from 2008 to 2013 his absolute peak he played 143 games and kicked 144 goals...with five of the six seasons he kicked 20+ goals.

Playing more forward is a ridiculous call, how the feck was he avg 30+ disposals per game if he was playing up forward??

Swan is an absolute BEAST, his best is simply unstoppable due to being a power athlete who also has endurance. He isn't a pretty, clean or smooth as Pendles but his brute force, repeat efforts, ability to find the pill and simply wear out the opposition means his impact on games was just as telling, if not more IMO.

Pendles is a Rolls Royce, Swan a muscle car
Pendles a facilitator, Swan a finisher
Pendles a leader, Swan his own man
Pendles the corporate poster boy, Swan the rogue fan favourite

Both gems, but Swan at his peak in 2009-2012 was crazy good.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Playing more forward is a ridiculous call, how the feck was he avg 30+ disposals per game if he was playing up forward?

Did you read my post? I said Swan has spent more time forward than Pendlebury since 2007.

Your reply reads like I said Swan has played exclusively as a forward pocket since 2007.

 

[HFF]

Both champions but Pendlebury gets the edge for mine.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

I love them both equally! You can't separate them!

 

[doppleganger]

Did you read my post? I said Swan has spent more time forward than Pendlebury since 2007.

Your reply reads like I said Swan has played exclusively as a forward pocket since 2007.

Yes I did.

Buckley has played Swan more forward since 2013, when funnily enough his goal kicking numbers ain't improved at all.

Prior to 2013 Swan was our number 1 midfielder, spent minimal time as a forward...yet still averaged a goal per game. Hitting the scoreboard as a mid is something that Pendles needs to improve, he is well behind Swan in this area.

 

[Collingwoodity]

I actually think Dale Thomas had more natural talent than either.

Injuries to the body and to his head ruined his career.

Swan and Pendlebury are indefatigable.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Can't choose one, and I would happily sell my own mother to avoid ever having to do so.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Yes I did.

Buckley has played Swan more forward since 2013, when funnily enough his goal kicking numbers ain't improved at all.

Prior to 2013 Swan was our number 1 midfielder, spent minimal time as a forward...yet still averaged a goal per game. Hitting the scoreboard as a mid is something that Pendles needs to improve, he is well behind Swan in this area.

I wouldn't say well behind personally, but I think what he does everywhere else more than makes up the difference. Swan's disposals have cost us a lot of goals, especially this year, so he should be kicking more to cancel it out.

I think I can only remember Pendles costing us less than a handful of goals over his entire career. Swan has cost us at least 4 or 5 just this season so far. His disposal just hurts him too much to put him above Pendlebury.

 

[doppleganger]

I wouldn't say well behind personally, but I think what he does everywhere else more than makes up the difference. Swan's disposals have cost us a lot of goals, especially this year, so he should be kicking more to cancel it out.

I think I can only remember Pendles costing us less than a handful of goals over his entire career. Swan has cost us at least 4 or 5 just this season so far. His disposal just hurts him too much to put him above Pendlebury.

Back when the Pies were dominating it was because our midfield was hitting the scoreboard - Didak, Swan, Beams, Sidebottom - were our mids that were prolific ball winners but also great at hurting the opposition on the scoreboard. Pendles was never that goal scoring threat.

Yes Swan is no longer the dominant player he previously was.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Back when the Pies were dominating it was because our midfield was hitting the scoreboard - Didak, Swan, Beams, Sidebottom - were our mids that were prolific ball winners but also great at hurting the opposition on the scoreboard. Pendles was never that goal scoring threat.

Yes Swan is no longer the dominant player he previously was.

Pendles tends to pass off a lot too though. Career average for combined goals and goal assists is 1.46 per game for Swan and 1.36 per game for Pendlebury.

 

[Horaceg]

Swanny..... No. Pendles.

Pendles..... No. Swanny.


Swendles?

Both have been a massive help to each other over the journey. And both really are polar opposites as player. Both are very complimentary to eachother and it's fair to say each had made the other a better player for it.


I wonder if ed and our lab are creating a swendles hybrid as we speak. That would be the perfect player.

This, complimentary players adding something to each others game allowing each to play to their strengths.

I didn't vote BTW

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Back when the Pies were dominating it was because our midfield was hitting the scoreboard - Didak, Swan, Beams, Sidebottom - were our mids that were prolific ball winners but also great at hurting the opposition on the scoreboard. Pendles was never that goal scoring threat.

Yes Swan is no longer the dominant player he previously was.

2010 Swan 24 Pendles 17
2011 Swan 32 Pendles 24
2012 Swan 25 Pendles 11 Pendlebry broken leg for 6 weeks
2013 Swan 21 Pendles 18
2014 Swan 11 Pendles 13 Both carrying injuries all year

You act like Pendles kicks 3 goals a season. Pendlebury MORE than makes up for that difference in everything else he does around the ground. As I mentioned earlier, that difference is further reduced when you take how many Swan costs us into account. Also remember, as I said, that Swan spends more time forward than Pendlebury too. Especially post 2010.

 

[doppleganger]

2010 Swan 24 Pendles 17
2011 Swan 32 Pendles 24
2012 Swan 25 Pendles 11 Pendlebry broken leg for 6 weeks
2013 Swan 21 Pendles 18
2014 Swan 11 Pendles 13 Both carrying injuries all year

You act like Pendles kicks 3 goals a season. Pendlebury MORE than makes up for that difference in everything else he does around the ground. As I mentioned earlier, that difference is further reduced when you take how many Swan costs us into account. Also remember, as I said, that Swan spends more time forward than Pendlebury too. Especially post 2010.

You seem to think Swan being a more prolific goal kicker is somehow aligned with him playing up forward, which is dribble.

I simply said that being a prolific goal kicking midfielder is a strength of Swan's game, it aint of Pendles.

How was Swan increasing his avg disposal numbers in every year if he was spending all this time up forward??

2007- 23.8
2008- 24.4
2009- 30.8
2010- 31.5 + 24 goals
2011- 31.7 + 32 goals
2012- 34.5 + 25 goals

Swan was an absolute dominant force in the middle, and he would also stream forward and hurt teams on the scoreboard.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

You seem to think Swan being a more prolific goal kicker is somehow aligned with him playing up forward, which is dribble.

I simply said that being a prolific goal kicking midfielder is a strength of Swan's game, it aint of Pendles.

How was Swan increasing his avg disposal numbers in every year if he was spending all this time up forward??

2007- 23.8
2008- 24.4
2009- 30.8
2010- 31.5 + 24 goals
2011- 31.7 + 32 goals
2012- 34.5 + 25 goals

Swan was an absolute dominant force in the middle, and he would also stream forward and hurt teams on the scoreboard.

Why do you keep twisting my words? I've just said that he spends more time there than Pendlebury. So naturally, he will kick a few more goals. More of Pendlebury's game time is spent in the midfield (eg. Pendlebury has probably been 90/10, Swan more like 80/20 over their careers, that's all I'm saying). I"m not saying Swan doesn't kick midfield goals, which seems ot be how you interpret what I'm saying.

I'm saying if you look at the difference in the number of goalsd the two of them have kicked, a fair chunk of that difference (not Swan's goal tally overall) could be attributed to the amount of time he spends forward compared to Pendlebury.

 

[PieBeast]

Swanny has been more of a match winner for us over the years, there's absolutely no doubt about that.

 

[mike123]

They both play second fiddle to Tony Armstrong.

Finally some get its

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Tonight's game highlighted some of those difference I had been referring to. Pendles is just a far better user of the ball. Also, surprise surprise, Pendles spends time forward, kicks 3 goals. Funny enough, it was Pendlebury who was playing hurt.

 

[DT_fanatic]

Tonight's game highlighted some of those difference I had been referring to. Pendles is just a far better user of the ball. Also, surprise surprise, Pendles spends time forward, kicks 3 goals. Funny enough, it was Pendlebury who was playing hurt.

A bit unfair to compare Swan in his twilight and Pendles in his prime to support your points.

 

[Robroy22]

I like Swanny's tatts more than Pendles....and I like Pendles' beard better than Swanny's.
Seriously though how lucky have we been to have the both of them at our club?
Swanny for his grunt and his exhuberance....Pendles for his glide and his silk. Both CHAMPS in my book.

 

[TradeDraft]

Pendles was Easily Better then Swan.

Swan did not use the ball well tonight

 

[sr36]

Pendlebury is a better kick
Pendlebury is a better handball
Pendlebury has far more awareness to the point of almost never being caught, even in traffic
Pendlebury is a better kick for goal
Pendlebury has better disposal efficiency
Pendlebury is a better mark
Pendlebury has a better looking better half
Pendlebury has far more impact more often in more games

Swan is.....faster?

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I'd agree with all of those, except marking - before he had his wrist issues Swan used to be a fantastic contested mark. Pendlebury is only just beginning to look a threat in the air. However, I'd disagree with your conclusion. To me Pendlebury is the best player that he can be - considering his lack of pace and power. Except for athleticism, Pendlebury is the best player since Greg Williams. But speed, power and the ability to burst from congestion has been an incredibly important factor in what has made JUdd and Ablett the best two midfielders since Bucks and Voss and it is what has made Swan the third best.