Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[eddiesmith]

Triple Zero Victoria has Ministerial authorisation enabling it to release information under the FOI Act that would otherwise be confidential under the Triple Zero Act I quoted previously.

But those authorisations are within strict limitations and purposes, namely:

• educating the community or any section of the community about the role of and the services offered by the Authority
• promoting public health and safety
• responding to complaints, enquiries or compliments about or relating to the Authority, a Member of or acting Member of the Authority or an employee of the Authority
• support for the staff of the Authority, which may include commendations or other recognition
• responding to requests for access to records under the FOI Act so far as the exemptions contained in that Act (other than that contained in s 38 of that Act) do not apply to the information.

I don't see how releasing the Andrews accident 000 call meets those authorisations (maybe point 3 but that would require a public statement from the authority outlining the justification) but I freely admit I don't know the detail of its release.

I've also not seen a statement confirming how Libertarian MP David Limbrick came to hear the recording made by Andrews that he read into Hansard yesterday. His parliamentary statement yesterday calling for the recording to be publicly released suggests to me that it was not an FOI release but was accessed from other sources.

Can you confirm that this particular recording was released under FOI? And if so who made the FOI request and what were the reasons that deemed that release justified?

Because, outside of the obvious political interest, imho this information (how the recording was released for political gain and why) is more important to the public interest than the recording of call itself.

No I can’t confirm under what reasons this one was released, but it’s not that difficult if you have the right authority.

The family of the victim should be able to obtain it, especially in recent court proceedings. Plus once it’s out, it is often used in very public uses.

But this is the usual m.o when bad information is uncovered about your dear leader, go after the source and pretend that’s far worse than the actual information.

 

[Festerz]

But this is the usual m.o when bad information is uncovered about your dear leader, go after the source and pretend that’s far worse than the actual information.

LOL - I wasn't the one who raised the issue of the source of the 000 call. And it was you who made the assertion about the source being from FOI.

All I did was point out the facts around FOI access to 000 calls and why state actors breaching those legislated privacy provisions might be the bigger issue here - especially for those who make a claim to be libertarians demanding greater privacy and personal freedoms.

But rather than discussing the issue like an adult or admitting to your lack of knowledge - you pivot to parroting the empty and baseless personal political attack for someone daring to call you to account.

Why am I not surprised at your lack of self awareness here?

 

[JackFlash]

Dan the man should be in the slammer, not only for a cyclist accident, but for crimes against every Victorian..

 

[eddiesmith]

LOL - I wasn't the one who raised the issue of the source of the 000 call. And it was you who made the assertion about the source being from FOI.

All I did was point out the facts around FOI access to 000 calls and why state actors breaching those legislated privacy provisions might be the bigger issue here - especially for those who make a claim to be libertarians demanding greater privacy and personal freedoms.

But rather than discussing the issue like an adult or admitting to your lack of knowledge - you pivot to parroting the empty and baseless personal political attack for someone daring to call you to account.

Why am I not surprised at your lack of self awareness here?

lol, you’re the one who claimed that the person releasing the recording was far more interest to the public than the content as if some massive law was broken, bigger than cleaning up a cyclist and the police corruption that followed.

But I have far more knowledge of the releasing of these recordings than someone who read the 000VIC website…

 

[Festerz]

lol, you’re the one who claimed that the person releasing the recording was far more interest to the public

'LOL' indeed.

No I was talking about the 'public interest'. Not what generates the most click bait traffic on tabloid websites.

Yet again I am not surprised you don't understand the difference between 'public interest' and the populist 'interest of the public'. They are not interchangeable concepts despite what your cooker friends like Boogers might lead you to think.

Your ignorance defines you in terms of your posting history on BF. Surely you can't be happy with that?

But the shame is mine for following you down that wormhole, engaging with your idiocy and thus giving you a credibility you don't deserve. It won't happen again.

 

[eddiesmith]

Good riddance to any ass kissing fool who thinks the releasing of a 000 call is some unprecedented and terrible crime…

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Im sure the IPA is impartial.

Oh wait.

Stating there's nothing to show for it is laughable too. NEL, Metro, Railway crossings etc build themselves do they? IPA have a vested interest in what the government should spend money on so this analysis should be taken with a grain of salt. Perhaps Labor told these guys to piss off somewhere along the line. Not disagreeing the finances are in a poor place right now just the way those statements were worded.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

The debt and spending numbers contained in the IPA's report are able to be fact-checked as they are not a matter of opinion. So rather than go "teh IPA ?!??!" perhaps debunk the figures - if they are wrong, it should be simple.

Shouldn't the responsibility for clearing the PFAS have been clear in the initial agreements if they all knew it was there? Also, we should expect more of governments - it's not like a collection of people off the street with no alleged expertise in, you know, governing. Easily avoidable mistakes should be easily avoided.

The issue isn't the debt levels they have stated but trying to paint a picture of " nothing to show for it" is just political spin. If they truly cared about the economy and the state they would have listed some of the positive things the money that's been invested will achieve once completed but offset that with the unfortunate circumstances that have come with it. This is just them saying " Do things our way and you wouldn't have any of these problems" which is a load of garbage.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Kennett's strategy seemed to be austerity, cut funding (particularly if you were, say, in the arts and criticised his government), sack everyone, sell everything.

According to Sttew that was much better than how Andrews ran the state. I'd say because it may not of affected him personally so he couldn't care less how Kennett did things. The Conservative way of running things is always Austerity regardless of the situation and other alternatives. Outside of COVID if your biggest gripe with Andrews is he has racked up alot of debt than I reckon he could live with that. Much rather proactive government than a government that cuts services across the board than tells everybody to suck it we had no choice. Newman tried to do this in QLD and look how far it got him.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

This is a thread about Daniel Andrews not Covid. It pays to consider context instead of sniping

COVID and Andrews are related are they not? You seem to bring up COVID alot so which is it? Is he or is he not responsible?.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

You voted for him metaphorically at least, as your posts were always supporting him and slagging off the Feds (who admittedly deserved their share of blame too).

Glad you put that last bit in there. And you go on about the sycophants. The obsession with anything Dan on the other side is far worse.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Conservatives are happy to lock up refugees for decades, but can't handle a few months of soft lockdown during a pandemic.

You forget Selfish entitled conservatives.

 

[FIGJAM]

Glad you put that last bit in there. And you go on about the sycophants. The obsession with anything Dan on the other side is far worse.

Well, you see, the damage caused by Dan was immeasurably worse than anything the Federal government did or didn't do.

With the Feds; the AZ situation was terrible (albeit because the risk / reward was too low due to our comparatively low numbers to actually use it), supporting ****wit Clive Palmer against McGowan, failing to carry the $60 billion in the Job Keeper calcs etc. There are some obvious faceplants.

But this isn't the thread for that and any push to include the Feds' performance is is exactly what I said it was to Festerz in another post; deflection by Labor Party shills.

I voted for my then local member Richard Wynne in 2018 FWIW, so I technically voted Dan in for the then unknowable at the time pandemic. I thought they were doing a good job generally, although as a property professional, I thought some of Wynne's measures as Planning Minister were a bit too restrictive. That said, I thought Guy and Madden's planning policies were all about lining the coffers (and possibly their own!), so Wynne's policies against that process was commendable, albeit (IMHO) a swing too far away from ensuring that houses and apartments got supplied (and we're suffering as a result a bit now, although it's also to a large degree a worldwide problem like inflation).

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Dan Andrews is the T-1000 of Bruce Lehrmanns

 

[Xtreme]

Dan Andrews is the T-1000 of Bruce Lehrmanns

He still has more lives than a cat

 

[Not Important]

He still has more lives than a cat

if it wasn’t for the diarrhea factory, he’d have faded into virtual obscurity by now. interesting how they take no interest in former lib pollies like stuart robert, who resigned in disgrace.

 

[MarcMaverick]

if it wasn’t for the diarrhea factory, he’d have faded into virtual obscurity by now. interesting how they take no interest in former lib pollies like stuart robert, who resigned in disgrace.

Was Stuart Robert in power between 2014-22? No he was not.

 

[Sttew]

if it wasn’t for the diarrhea factory, he’d have faded into virtual obscurity by now. interesting how they take no interest in former lib pollies like stuart robert, who resigned in disgrace.

There’s still threads on Morrison and Howard

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Well, you see, the damage caused by Dan was immeasurably worse than anything the Federal government did or didn't do.

With the Feds; the AZ situation was terrible (albeit because the risk / reward was too low due to our comparatively low numbers to actually use it), supporting ****wit Clive Palmer against McGowan, failing to carry the $60 billion in the Job Keeper calcs etc. There are some obvious faceplants.

But this isn't the thread for that and any push to include the Feds' performance is is exactly what I said it was to Festerz in another post; deflection by Labor Party shills.

I voted for my then local member Richard Wynne in 2018 FWIW, so I technically voted Dan in for the then unknowable at the time pandemic. I thought they were doing a good job generally, although as a property professional, I thought some of Wynne's measures as Planning Minister were a bit too restrictive. That said, I thought Guy and Madden's planning policies were all about lining the coffers (and possibly their own!), so Wynne's policies against that process was commendable, albeit (IMHO) a swing too far away from ensuring that houses and apartments got supplied (and we're suffering as a result a bit now, although it's also to a large degree a worldwide problem like inflation).

I'm still not sure what you're on about. Last time i checked Andrews won a hat-trick of elections - a rare feat anywhere this day and age. Most of them by a landslide. Yet youre on here doing an "i told you so" routine'? you need to get over it ( and yourself while youre at it)

He still has more lives than a cat

only in the eyes of those who wish they could even lay a glove on him.

 

[Xtreme]

only in the eyes of those who wish they could even lay a glove on him.

Sure lets give a statue to the man who's bone headed decision killed 800 Victorians and would go on to bankrupt the state. While also shooting Australia's sporting reputation in the foot.

Great job Dan

 

[Not Important]

There’s still threads on Morrison and Howard

nothing like the persistent personal invective directed not only toward andrews but his family, too. nor the misinformation. i mean, one of the diarrhea factory operatives claimed he was denied membership at a golf club. it was front page. that churnalist didn’t bother to call the golf club to check the accuracy. doing that would have killed the story cos there wasn’t an atom of truth in it.

and i don’t think either has required added personal security due to the heat generated by the media - most notably from the diarrhea factory.

 

[eddiesmith]

There’s still threads on Morrison and Howard

These idiots who want everyone to forget their hero still blame Jeff Kennett for everything wrong in the state…

 

[kalex6251]

nothing like the persistent personal invective directed not only toward andrews but his family, too. nor the misinformation. i mean, one of the diarrhea factory operatives claimed he was denied membership at a golf club. it was front page. that churnalist didn’t bother to call the golf club to check the accuracy. doing that would have killed the story cos there wasn’t an atom of truth in it.

and i don’t think either has required added personal security due to the heat generated by the media - most notably from the diarrhea factory.

he will live rent free in the heads of conservatives, the murdocracy, unhinged Qookers and other fellow travellers down that shared road of stupidity for the rest of days ..... that is his greatest legacy ..... well played

 

[Not Important]

These idiots who want everyone to forget their hero still blame Jeff Kennett for everything wrong in the state…

the overrated big mouth continues to make himself a target. other pollies just want to leave the stage but continue to be hounded.

 

[Gavin Excell]

He thumbed his nose at Murdoch who were incensed

All the.reporting since is payback