Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[Number37]

Can you be any more naïve?

This is what Operation Daintree found:

• Although the contract value was more than $1 million, a competitive procurement process was not followed.
• The project was awarded to a single provider, HEF, which:

- was newly formed and had no relevant experience
- at the time of engagement was not a registered training organisation
- was not financially established and thereby posed a risk of non-delivery
- did not have sound governance arrangements
- had directors who held executive positions at the Health Workers Union (HWU).

• HEF was not on the approved training register and would have been unlikely to qualify for inclusion.
• A partial upfront payment was approved prior to delivery of any training despite the finance division of DHHS advising against this.

When the Andrews government was elected in 2014, it amended the IBAC legislation by narrowing the definition of corrupt conduct to encompass only a narrow range of particular indictable criminal offences.

So, the IBAC Commissioner found no crime had been committed under the narrow definition of corruption in the IBAC legislation. But the Commissioner still found wrongdoing - “The whole report is about findings of misconduct, and all of those findings go to a lack of integrity in the way in which the decisions that pertained to the union were made... that is corruption"

But Number37 cannot see anything wrong with what happened. In fact he says it is only "cookers" who would say anything wrong happened.

That doesn't say anything about adverse findings against Dan.

Let me remind you again, this discussion started when it was claimed there were adverse findings against Dan.
There aren't adverse findings against Dan.

 

[MarcMaverick]

That doesn't say anything about adverse findings against Dan.

Let me remind you again, this discussion started when it was claimed there were adverse findings against Dan.
There aren't adverse findings against Dan.

"Blah Blah Blah I Love Dan Andrews Blah Blah Blah Dan Andrews does nothing wrong Blah Blah Blah" is what every post that you make sounds like.

 

[The Punter]

At the risk of breaking my rule of not giving people the right of reply (tee hee hee):

Ministerial responsibility means accepting the consequences of your actions and that of your office. A fearful tonguelashing in an op ed in The Oz or the Hun does not a consequence make. The Premier is responsible for his Ministers. This is the same Premier who appointed Adem Somyurek to the Cabinet, sacked him for gross incomptence, then appointed him a second time. For this there were no meaningful consequences.

And again, there is no defence of the action provided here, just the banging on about what adverse findings constitutes according to the IBAC legislation, which is different to what everyone else in the world thinks adverse means.

 

[MarcMaverick]

At the risk of breaking my rule of not giving people the right of reply (tee hee hee):

Ministerial responsibility means accepting the consequences of your actions and that of your office. A fearful tonguelashing in an op ed in The Oz or the Hun does not a consequence make. The Premier is responsible for his Ministers. This is the same Premier who appointed Adem Somyurek to the Cabinet, sacked him for gross incomptence, then appointed him a second time. For this there were no meaningful consequences.

And again, there is no defence of the action provided here, just the banging on about what adverse findings constitutes according to the IBAC legislation, which is different to what everyone else in the world thinks adverse means.

Dan is not responsible for anything. Its either creeping assumptions or convenient amnesia. Nothing is ever his fault. Its always somebody or something else to blame. Not him. And he has enough lackeys and easy targets to toss under the bus or in the wood chipper. But its not his fault.

 

[kalex6251]

 

[Festerz]

While the Resolve polling is in no way a sign the Victorian Liberals are on the way back it definitely signals that Andrews himself has lost his sheen with voters. Something a hypothetical 2PP assessment (which is pretty useless as an analytical tool at this stage of the electoral cycle) completely glosses over.

Indeed, the binary nature of the preferred Premier question (which merely asks respondents to say whether they prefer one candidate over another) may well under-estimate the slip in Andrew's popularity, given Pesutto is the benchmark he is being measured against.

'Voters have cut their support for Labor and given Premier Daniel Andrews his lowest score as preferred premier in two years after a string of polarising policy announcements and political scandals, but the party continues to maintain a strong lead over the Victorian Coalition.'

'The findings are contained in a survey by Resolve Political Monitor, conducted exclusively for The Age, which reveals the state government’s primary vote has slipped from 41 per cent to 39 since June.'

'While Victorians continued to back Andrews over Pesutto as preferred premier, the gap between the two leaders narrowed from 23 to 15 percentage points.'

Labor’s lead stays strong but Andrews’ personal popularity falls

Victorian voters are still backing Labor, but the Premier’s likeability rating is down after a string of controversial decisions and political scandals.

www.theage.com.au

 

[My_Username]

And who was the Minister?
Not Dan.

If you bother to read the report it says Dan, as Premier, has overall responsibility for all Ministers.
If you bother to read the report it makes numerous recommendations in relation to accountability.

This was my take from the Hotel Quarantine inquiry.

If all the ministries were confused about who was responsible, resulting in none of them taking the blame, then basic management standards means the person in charge of all of them was the one responsible.

 

[Roby]

This was my take from the Hotel Quarantine inquiry.

If all the ministries were confused about who was responsible, resulting in none of them taking the blame, then basic management standards means the person in charge of all of them was the one responsible.

Scott Morrison

 

[peetoo]

Scott Morrison

The day you realised the threat wasn’t ‘that bad’ when they started playing politics with it

 

[Rob R]

So when is Dan announcing a bid for the white elephant soccer world cup that Vic could never afford to distract from the latest allegations of corruption.

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[Crankyhawk]

So when is Dan announcing a bid for the white elephant soccer world cup that Vic could never afford to distract from the latest allegations of corruption.

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I suspect that it would not be successful (as in successful as a distraction) coming on the heels of the failed Comm games which questions are still not being answered. And it is issues like this that cut through more easily to the public IMO.

 

[nut]

I blame Dan for the only state where the unemployment level dropped …
Be a team player…

 

[hawkman]

So when is Dan announcing a bid for the white elephant soccer world cup that Vic could never afford to distract from the latest allegations of corruption.

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Didn't Jeff try that once? I'm sure there was an event he said he was going to bid on as a state only. Thought it was the World Cup but i could be wrong

 

[kalex6251]

So when is Dan announcing a bid for the white elephant soccer world cup that Vic could never afford to distract from the latest allegations of corruption.

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hasnt virginia triollis bestie* already flagged he wants to bid for it

* john pesutto

 

[Sttew]

So when is Dan announcing a bid for the white elephant soccer world cup that Vic could never afford to distract from the latest allegations of corruption.

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Dan's announcing that AAMI Park will be the live site to watch the 2034 FIFA World Cup to be held in Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, Hobart and Perth

 

[The Punter]

If the FIFA World Cup is in the regular time of year (June-July), there will be no games at the MCG or Marvel.

If it is when last year's was played, it affects the domestic season in Europe too much.

I wouldn't be holding my breath. On the other hand, JP is good on the ball with excellent technical ability.

 

[hawkman]

If the FIFA World Cup is in the regular time of year (June-July), there will be no games at the MCG or Marvel.

If it is when last year's was played, it affects the domestic season in Europe too much.

I wouldn't be holding my breath. On the other hand, JP is good on the ball with excellent technical ability.

For the 2022 bid, from memory the MCG was included but Docklands wasn't

 

[peetoo]

Didn't Jeff try that once? I'm sure there was an event he said he was going to bid on as a state only. Thought it was the World Cup but i could be wrong

Was the original reason for docklands…..

 

[adogsfan5]

Why’s Setka sooking about duck hunting?

 

[The Punter]

Why’s Setka sooking about duck hunting?

I am reliably informed that the CFMEU is engaging with organisations as varied as the Victorian Farmer's Federation on this issue. Bracks considered a ban when he was Premier and it was unions like the CFMEU that got him to throw that plan away. Setka's members want to be able to keep hunting ducks. It will be interesting to see what develops here, but probably nothing more than interesting.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I am reliably informed that the CFMEU is engaging with organisations as varied as the Victorian Farmer's Federation on this issue. Bracks considered a ban when he was Premier and it was unions like the CFMEU that got him to throw that plan away. Setka's members want to be able to keep hunting ducks. It will be interesting to see what develops here, but probably nothing more than interesting.

You'd reckon Setka, of all people, would be a mite antsy about civilians having increased access to guns

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

If the FIFA World Cup is in the regular time of year (June-July), there will be no games at the MCG or Marvel.

If it is when last year's was played, it affects the domestic season in Europe too much.

I wouldn't be holding my breath. On the other hand, JP is good on the ball with excellent technical ability.

If it's at the regular time there's no AFL or NRL given FIFA don't like other stuff running

The idea we will host the men's world cup is nothing but the stuff of dreams.

 

[The Punter]

If it's at the regular time there's no AFL or NRL given FIFA don't like other stuff running

The idea we will host the men's world cup is nothing but the stuff of dreams.

Unfortunately, I agree. The AFL in particular won't move out of the way for FIFA (the NRL have done a bit of moving during the current event).

 

[Not Important]

Unfortunately, I agree. The AFL in particular won't move out of the way for FIFA (the NRL have done a bit of moving during the current event).

isn't the matter of television timing the major obstacle for us ie getting the event to the mass international audience at convenient times?

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Unfortunately, I agree. The AFL in particular won't move out of the way for FIFA (the NRL have done a bit of moving during the current event).

The NRL had the luxury of having other grounds available even in Sydney with thier suburban grounds. Penrith, Manly, St George could still play in thier own grounds.


The AFL doesn't have that luxury