Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[Sttew]

Maybe some multistorey, high-density properties could be in order. Longdrops straight into the Yarra to add to the one of the world's most liveable city.

There'd be a saving on sewage and drainage

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

So 800,000 on top of what are being privately built. Who's going to physically build them?

Who said 800,000 on what are being privately built?

Over and over this thread gets filled with the most moronic replies and complaints.

One excellent initiative they've announced is a registry of designs for fast approval of the plan. That in itself will dramatically contribute to rapid addition of housing stock, since you'll end up with a supply chain, builders and tradies dedicated to and experienced in these builds and a rapid approvals process.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

“Only a cooker” would ask a question like that

A cooker and an idiot.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Magic.

I wonder if people like you have the self awareness to feel shame and embarrassment. I doubt it.

 

[MarcMaverick]

I wonder if people like you have the self awareness to feel shame and embarrassment. I doubt it.

Even if true, least its better than being a one-eyed Dan Andrews defender incapable of seeing his flaws.

But we all know that he isn't at fault for anything bad that happens under his state. Right?

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Of course the ciggie gotcha is great for drawing attention away from stuff like this



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They do a better job than his social media team to make him seem normal and relatable.

It's like when American libs pearl clutch over Trump saying something hilarious about an objectively awful politician, they amplify it over and over.

Regular folks just think the Democrats are losers and whiners who like and protect awful people, because they are "respectable" and rich, so it makes it harder for genuinely sound complaints to break through the noise.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Even if true, least its better than being a one-eyed Dan Andrews defender incapable of seeing his flaws.

But we all know that he isn't at fault for anything bad that happens under his state. Right?

There is no consolation for being a self celebrating idiot.

Also, I'm not without criticisms of the Victorian Labor government, they just come from a different direction to you cookers.

I'm also well aware that they are infinitely better than the alternative. Now if the Greens could form a worthwhile opposition, then we'd see even healthier progress for Victoria. Competition from the left would keep Labor honest.

 

[Sttew]

I wonder if people like you have the self awareness to feel shame and embarrassment. I doubt it.

You are completely incapable of discussing anything without resorting to name calling and vitriol. You must be a barrel of laughs to be around

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

You are completely incapable of discussing anything without resorting to name calling and vitriol. You must be a barrel of laughs to be around

Be provocatively dumb, get called out for it.

 

[Sttew]

Who said 800,000 on what are being privately built?

Over and over this thread gets filled with the most moronic replies and complaints.

One excellent initiative they've announced is a registry of designs for fast approval of the plan. That in itself will dramatically contribute to rapid addition of housing stock, since you'll end up with a supply chain, builders and tradies dedicated to and experienced in these builds and a rapid approvals process.

You cannot be serious? A registry of designs will miraculously bring about a talent pool of tradesmen? Where are the tradies going to come from to build these homes?

“Master Builders Australia estimates about 470,000 workers - including 200,000 in trades - will need to enter the building and construction industry over the next 4.5 years to meet forecast growth and replacement”.

https://hia.com.au/our-industry/newsroom/economic-research-and-forecasting/2023/04/shortage-of-skilled-trades-remains-acute-despite-return-of-skilled-migration#:~:text=“The%20shortages%20are%20particularly%20acute,during%20the%20pandemic%20will%20shrink.

If you can't find a tradie, you're not alone — experts say a 'perfect storm' has hit the industry

For more than two years, Colleen has been stuck in construction purgatory. She has the land, finances and contract to build — but finding tradies who can do the work is another story entirely.

www.abc.net.au

 

[tandino]

Magic.

Don't believe in the State Government's ability to deliver?

FOR SHAME.

 

[Sttew]

Be provocatively dumb, get called out for it.

You looked in the mirror? Good on you

 

[MarcMaverick]

There is no consolation for being a self celebrating idiot.

Also, I'm not without criticisms of the Victorian Labor government, they just come from a different direction to you cookers.

I'm also well aware that they are infinitely better than the alternative. Now if the Greens could form a worthwhile opposition, then we'd see even healthier progress for Victoria. Competition from the left would keep Labor honest.

You have insufficient information to formulate said accusation.

I said "magic" and you flew off the handle.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Who said 800,000 on what are being privately built?

Over and over this thread gets filled with the most moronic replies and complaints.

One excellent initiative they've announced is a registry of designs for fast approval of the plan. That in itself will dramatically contribute to rapid addition of housing stock, since you'll end up with a supply chain, builders and tradies dedicated to and experienced in these builds and a rapid approvals process.

So they will suck up all the tradies with hugely inflated rates / wages and no-one else will be able to get their home built?

Rob Peter to pay Paul.

 

[MarcMaverick]

So they will suck up all the tradies with hugely inflated rates / wages and no-one else will be able to get their home built?

Rob Peter to pay Paul.

Magical Robin Hood.

 

[nut]

You cannot be serious? A registry of designs will miraculously bring about a talent pool of tradesmen? Where are the tradies going to come from to build these homes?

“Master Builders Australia estimates about 470,000 workers - including 200,000 in trades - will need to enter the building and construction industry over the next 4.5 years to meet forecast growth and replacement”.

https://hia.com.au/our-industry/newsroom/economic-research-and-forecasting/2023/04/shortage-of-skilled-trades-remains-acute-despite-return-of-skilled-migration#:~:text=“The%20shortages%20are%20particularly%20acute,during%20the%20pandemic%20will%20shrink.

If you can't find a tradie, you're not alone — experts say a 'perfect storm' has hit the industry

For more than two years, Colleen has been stuck in construction purgatory. She has the land, finances and contract to build — but finding tradies who can do the work is another story entirely.

www.abc.net.au

200,000 dwellings were built nationally in 2019!!!!
That’s 2 million over 10 years…
800,000 in vic seems achievable

 

[Sttew]

200,000 dwellings were built nationally in 2019!!!!
That’s 2 million over 10 years…
800,000 in vic seems achievable

I hope you’re right!

 

[Crankyhawk]

200,000 dwellings were built nationally in 2019!!!!
That’s 2 million over 10 years…
800,000 in vic seems achievable

I thought the question posed was 800000 new builds in 10 years ON TOP of regular projected build over this time or whether it was to build 800000 in 10 years and there was some unknown number (maybe in the ballpark of 600-700k idk) that would have been built anyway without any new government initiatives.
The first seems unlikely
The second seems possible but it is then a media spin to make it appear that the initiative leads to 800k vs nothing without (misleading)

So it is probably option b.

 

[Gralin]

I thought the question posed was 800000 new builds in 10 years ON TOP of regular projected build over this time or whether it was to build 800000 in 10 years and there was some unknown number (maybe in the ballpark of 600-700k idk) that would have been built anyway without any new government initiatives.
The first seems unlikely
The second seems possible but it is then a media spin to make it appear that the initiative leads to 800k vs nothing without (misleading)

So it is probably option b.

the statement says they're aiming to get 800k dwellings built across the state over the next 10 years

no mention of 800k additional dwellings

in 2021-2022 Victoria increased total dwelling stock by 50k (50,310)

The plan is calling for 80k to be built a year but they're making it easier to build high density projects as well and they're basically stopping councils from blocking developments

this program is developer heaven they've got state government backing to do pretty much whatever they want its likely to be an absolute ****ing mess

but as usual instead of saying we're trying to build an extra 300k dwellings over 10 years they're including the expected natural growth to make their numbers sound bigger

I'd be shocked with projected population growth if they were really even adding an extra 300k into the pot

and lets remember they aren't guaranteeing any of this they're saying to the private sector you should go and do this, here is $5 billion dollars and we'll make it harder for local communities and councils to have any say in what you do

it is largely as everything is these days

for show

it's not going to address any of the root causes of our problems

 

[Gralin]

oh and if you want to get even more weaselly with their words

they're not promising an increase in housing stock of 800k, just that they're going to try and build 800k new dwellings, so things like the knock down rebuild will be in that 800k

so there is no guarantee when you look at those numbers that its even really going to add any more housing than we would have got anyway

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

You cannot be serious? A registry of designs will miraculously bring about a talent pool of tradesmen? Where are the tradies going to come from to build these homes?

“Master Builders Australia estimates about 470,000 workers - including 200,000 in trades - will need to enter the building and construction industry over the next 4.5 years to meet forecast growth and replacement”.

https://hia.com.au/our-industry/newsroom/economic-research-and-forecasting/2023/04/shortage-of-skilled-trades-remains-acute-despite-return-of-skilled-migration#:~:text=“The%20shortages%20are%20particularly%20acute,during%20the%20pandemic%20will%20shrink.

If you can't find a tradie, you're not alone — experts say a 'perfect storm' has hit the industry

For more than two years, Colleen has been stuck in construction purgatory. She has the land, finances and contract to build — but finding tradies who can do the work is another story entirely.

www.abc.net.au

It's a double edged sword though , isn't it mate?

The conservatives cry about increasing immigration numbers yet also bitch about the lack of skilled labour and the lack of services and infrastructure.

I am not entirely sure what the answer is but what I do know is that they cannot have it both ways.

 

[Gralin]

It's a double edged sword though , isn't it mate?

The conservatives cry about increasing immigration numbers yet also bitch about the lack of skilled labour and the lack of services and infrastructure.

I am not entirely sure what the answer is but what I do know is that they cannot have it both ways.

But they will
If Labor don't build stuff that's the problem
If they do that's the problem
If they don't cap immigration that's the problem
If they do that's the problem

It's just partisan barracking

 

[Gough]

It's a double edged sword though , isn't it mate?

The conservatives cry about increasing immigration numbers yet also bitch about the lack of skilled labour and the lack of services and infrastructure.

I am not entirely sure what the answer is but what I do know is that they cannot have it both ways.

It's a bit rich to gut TAFE to gift money to private training providers and then moan about a skills shortage but I guess Frances Abbott is providing an important service in whatever she's doing.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Morriscum rejects the findings of the Robodebt RC. Where he actually appeared and gave evidence.
Gladys appeared before ICAC. Rejected its findings.

It's a waste of time and money asking the LNP for accountability.

Ummmmm.... So you're saying that the inquiry scope as it stands is a waste of time and money?????

 

[Sttew]

It's a double edged sword though , isn't it mate?

The conservatives cry about increasing immigration numbers yet also bitch about the lack of skilled labour and the lack of services and infrastructure.

I am not entirely sure what the answer is but what I do know is that they cannot have it both ways.

No. Just don't make promises that are undeliverable. Why was there was nothing in the Budget about Housing? As Pessutto has rightly pointed out, this Housing Affordability Statement comes across as a hastily cobbled aspirational statement lacking detail.

Affordability Partnership To Build 800,000 Victorian Homes

The Andrews Labor Government today released its landmark package to boost housing supply and affordability in Victoria – representing the biggest shake-up to planning and housing reform in generations. Victoria is growing. We’re the fastest growing state in Australia, with our population set to...

www.premier.vic.gov.au

BTW, I haven't "cried" about immigration numbers, and pointing out the obvious about the dearth of tradies is not "bitching"