Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[The Cryptkeeper]

No. Just don't make promises that are undeliverable. Why was there was nothing in the Budget about Housing? As Pessutto has rightly pointed out, this Housing Affordability Statement comes across as a hastily cobbled aspirational statement lacking detail.

Affordability Partnership To Build 800,000 Victorian Homes

The Andrews Labor Government today released its landmark package to boost housing supply and affordability in Victoria – representing the biggest shake-up to planning and housing reform in generations. Victoria is growing. We’re the fastest growing state in Australia, with our population set to...

www.premier.vic.gov.au

BTW, I haven't "cried" about immigration numbers, and pointing out the obvious about the dearth of tradies is not "bitching"

My post quoted you but was not directed at you specifically, if that makes sense.

 

[Gralin]

My post quoted you but was not directed at you specifically, if that makes sense.

I also reckon with how much Labor policy is identical to Liberal policy these days, they're just shitty it's not their guys enacting it and they don't want to criticise something they want so they spend all their time creating conspiracy gotchas instead

 

[Saint]

No. Just don't make promises that are undeliverable. Why was there was nothing in the Budget about Housing? As Pessutto has rightly pointed out, this Housing Affordability Statement comes across as a hastily cobbled aspirational statement lacking detail.

Affordability Partnership To Build 800,000 Victorian Homes

The Andrews Labor Government today released its landmark package to boost housing supply and affordability in Victoria – representing the biggest shake-up to planning and housing reform in generations. Victoria is growing. We’re the fastest growing state in Australia, with our population set to...

www.premier.vic.gov.au

BTW, I haven't "cried" about immigration numbers, and pointing out the obvious about the dearth of tradies is not "bitching"

But better than the alternative of.....crickets.....
If there were a quick fix for housing affordability, it would be implemented. The reason LNP apply pressure in this area is that whenever anyone tries to drive house prices down, the LNP start a scare campaign and win elections: See 2019 Federal election.

The LNP have perfected the art form of complaining in areas that they themselves have no intention of fixing, not even a plan. And it's a strategy which has only a finite term of working.

Even if they win another election from whining about things for years, 4 years of inaction is all the progressive Victorian electorate would tolerate. Proceeding to elections without policies is a recipe for an inertial term of Government.

Works a treat at the Federal level where critical services aren't delivered. Nobody really cares if submarines are never built or the environment dies a too-slow-to-notice death.

 

[Gralin]

this program won't drive house prices down

the only thing that would do that would be investment taxes instead of subsidies

 

[Gralin]

states are limited in what they can do about the housing crisis without federal support for removing negative gearing

that said there are things they could do

dramatically increase public housing stock - nobody wants to
regulate short stay - nobody wants to

in fact Andrews has gone the opposite way

he's blocked councils from being able to regulate short stay, he's blocked councils from being able to regulate developers

he's taxing consumers for using short stay and handing billions to private developers to get "some social housing"

this housing program was done in consultation with the private housing sector and is pretty much their wishlist in exchange for some affordable housing

its a complete rort that is going to do long term damage to public housing in this state and will see developers having more say over housing type and location than councils

the criticism from vic libs will be luke warm because they'd secretly love most of it and their donors certainly will so they'll be told not to push back too hard

given 18 months ago the government had a cabinet approved public housing program this is just another example of how much our states are captured by private interest

Andrews doesn't give a shit about public, media or political backlash from his opponents, but the money that flows into Labor coffers from special interests and the pressure they can put on? yeah this is the result

 

[hawkman]

states are limited in what they can do about the housing crisis without federal support for removing negative gearing

that said there are things they could do

dramatically increase public housing stock - nobody wants to
regulate short stay - nobody wants to

in fact Andrews has gone the opposite way

he's blocked councils from being able to regulate short stay, he's blocked councils from being able to regulate developers

he's taxing consumers for using short stay and handing billions to private developers to get "some social housing"

this housing program was done in consultation with the private housing sector and is pretty much their wishlist in exchange for some affordable housing

its a complete rort that is going to do long term damage to public housing in this state and will see developers having more say over housing type and location than councils

the criticism from vic libs will be luke warm because they'd secretly love most of it and their donors certainly will so they'll be told not to push back too hard

given 18 months ago the government had a cabinet approved public housing program this is just another example of how much our states are captured by private interest

Andrews doesn't give a s**t about public, media or political backlash from his opponents, but the money that flows into Labor coffers from special interests and the pressure they can put on? yeah this is the result

Is it social housing or affordable housing?

 

[Gralin]

Is it social housing or affordable housing?

yeah a lot of talk about both

deliberate muddying of the waters going on

social housing includes public housing but isn't just public housing

so when they say social they want you to think public but not have to commit to public

affordable is usually 10% off market rate which for the majority of people doesn't make it affordable its complete bullshit

 

[Gralin]

this push for social and affordable housing is national and coordinated and supported by the housing industry

they're pushing for tax payer money and land to profit off so this isn't unique to Vic

Feds use this language in the HAFF as well

 

[Gralin]

but what we've got is Labor in power almost everywhere and all doing the same thing in lockstep

 

[Gralin]

Ummmmm.... So you're saying that the inquiry scope as it stands is a waste of time and money?????

i struggle to see the relevance of this though

its a federal inquiry where they have chosen not to look to hard for answers, not a state based one

 

[Crankyhawk]

But better than the alternative of.....crickets.....
If there were a quick fix for housing affordability, it would be implemented. The reason LNP apply pressure in this area is that whenever anyone tries to drive house prices down, the LNP start a scare campaign and win elections: See 2019 Federal election.

The LNP have perfected the art form of complaining in areas that they themselves have no intention of fixing, not even a plan. And it's a strategy which has only a finite term of working.

Even if they win another election from whining about things for years, 4 years of inaction is all the progressive Victorian electorate would tolerate. Proceeding to elections without policies is a recipe for an inertial term of Government.

Works a treat at the Federal level where critical services aren't delivered. Nobody really cares if submarines are never built or the environment dies a too-slow-to-notice death.

Gotta be honest I also do not care is a pissant number of subs isn’t built. All we need is the appearance of subs and that is the value of a sub for a small force.

 

[The Punter]

But better than the alternative of.....crickets.....
If there were a quick fix for housing affordability, it would be implemented. The reason LNP apply pressure in this area is that whenever anyone tries to drive house prices down, the LNP start a scare campaign and win elections: See 2019 Federal election.

The LNP have perfected the art form of complaining in areas that they themselves have no intention of fixing, not even a plan. And it's a strategy which has only a finite term of working.

Even if they win another election from whining about things for years, 4 years of inaction is all the progressive Victorian electorate would tolerate. Proceeding to elections without policies is a recipe for an inertial term of Government.

Works a treat at the Federal level where critical services aren't delivered. Nobody really cares if submarines are never built or the environment dies a too-slow-to-notice death.

There is also an internal conflict inside the party between inner-city MPs who represent wealthy property owners who want "local amenity" protected and outer-suburban MPs who are engaged on housing affordability and want to see much more done in this space because of the "people don't become conservative without anything to conserve" maxim. I don't think any future inaction will be based on maliciousness but rather on an ability to internally compromise.

 

[Gralin]

This also does not seem like a good place to save money

Family violence roles axed in public service purge

The purge of 77 roles at Family Safety Victoria has alarmed staff who say violence against women remains stubbornly high.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Gralin]

 

[Gralin]

reports he's retiring

 

[Sttew]

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Catherine Andrews has turned up at Parliament. Sharnelle Vella speculating Dan is pulling the pin.

I’ll be lost...

 

[Gralin]

can watch it here if you want to

 

[Gralin]

hasn't started yet

 

[Satan]

Dans replacement. , how long?

 

[Gralin]

Yep resigning effecting 5pm tomorrow

 

[Gough]

Leaves Palaszczuk as the last covid era leader

 

[Brad Goodman]

Because of the cigarette?

 

[imadodgyumpire]

And stay out!

Your presence will always be resented.

 

[Mofra]

Dans replacement. , how long?

Jacinta Allan as long been considered his heir

 

[FIGJAM]