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Dank tells Mannah peptides are safe
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My opinion is he thinks he can sail so close to the wind yet still remain untouchable.
In this case he has no problem saying he gave Mannah growth hormones. There was one article from Peter Larkins (I'll try to find it) saying this is the last damn thing on earth you would ever give anyone remotely linked to cancer. Dank may have finally trodden over a line that for Cronulla and Essendon "sporting-wise" was fuzzy, but for Mannah and his family "legal-wise" could be a cliff.
The opinions of Dr Peter Larkins:
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3745651.htm
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...le-peter-larkins/story-e6frexrr-1226629619289
From the second article:
Yet from the OP we have Dank saying this in court:
I was under the impression both of those were CLEARLY banned/illegal sporting drugs, unless he has yet another obscure email he can wave about.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3745651.htm
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...le-peter-larkins/story-e6frexrr-1226629619289
From the second article:
The Snake Oil Salesman said:
Yet from the OP we have Dank saying this in court:
I was under the impression both of those were CLEARLY banned/illegal sporting drugs, unless he has yet another obscure email he can wave about.
A haematologist Larkins is definitely not.
Lymphoma is no joke and all due respect to the Mannah family however there is myriad things that determine effectiveness or efficacy or any particular medicine.
The chemotherapy regimen may have been unsuited, dosage etc.
It is down to the the dna and gene mutations at the end of the day and peptides are used in medicine.
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With all due respect: Mannah was in remission when Dank administered growth hormones to him. Dank appeared not to check previous medical history of ANY of the players. This is not only negligence, but sheer stupidity. To believe that "peptides are used in medicine, therefore they're all good to go" is naive at best, wilful negligence at worst. To assure someone with a history of cancer (or anyone for that matter) that these drugs were safe is mind bogglingly stupid, particularly when there is some evidence around that shows they can stimulate/fasten tumour growth and that there is no efficacy for them when used off label and in combination with other compounds. While it may not be technically criminal... it certainly seems that way in my eyes.
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Dank has basically undertaken to be a serial litigant.
If you were to defend any of his (legal) actions this surely would be the one.
Line up expert witnesses to show the folly of Dank's actions, align his treatment with the death of a young man from cancer, publicly shred his reputation* and it makes the success of any future defamation cases even that much harder for Dank.
Also worth recalling Dank said he consulted "with oncologists about what effects peptides would have on [Mannah's] condition".** Hope he kept records.
*yes I know
**http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-26/dank-admits-offering-mannah-peptides/4654606
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FWIW here is a profile, from 2013, of Clive Evatt, Dank's barrister.
http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/11/12/the-octogenarian-no-win-no-fee-lawyer-draining-media-coffers/
http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/11/12/the-octogenarian-no-win-no-fee-lawyer-draining-media-coffers/
Could be more go away money on the way
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I don't believe it was suggested that the peptides directly caused the cancer, but rather that they MAY have caused it - so nothing you are saying above would dispel that argument?
So tell me where CJC, hexarelin, TB4, GHRP and the other peptides that Dank uses are used in medicine.
Come on. You made the statement. Now back it up. And I don't want you to be sneaky and mention insulin because Dank doesn't use that (thank God).
That reasoning goes both ways.
I am saying he didn't commit any crime, you or I could never prove with any credibility on our lonesome if it did or didn't.
May is about as correct as may not in this instance.
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Gee, he is a real scum sucking, bottom dweller, isn't he?
While Evatt relishes seeing media outlets make massive payouts, he insists he doesn’t hate the press. In fact, he’s that rarest of breeds: a defender of phone hacking. “I’ve got absolutely no axe to grind against Murdoch. Just to show you how sick I am, I don’t believe the journalists at the News of the World were doing anything wrong. They were hacking into the messages of celebrities, and I can’t see what’s wrong with that.”
Just the sort Dankenstein needs.
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Noone set out to proof that there is a direct causality, so it's kind of irrelevant whether it can be proven or not (for what it's worth, I would agree with you that it would be difficult to impossible to proof - but I am not expert). Neither can I see any criminal proceedings here, it is in fact Dank who is accusing the paper in a civil case so the statement that he didn't commit a crime is equally irrelevant.
Most importantly, I wouldn't be happy to use, or recommend the usage, of substances that may, or may not, have strongly negative health consequences - you can't seriously be advocating that?
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That is my biggest concern in this saga, how quickly drugs are getting from the labs and straight to the punters, bypassing the usual clinical trials showing safety & efficacy. The PED industry apparently is getting close to the recreational drug industry in $$$$. Hence all those web sites that flog PEDs without any control and people like Dankenstein whose role is to promote them to various groups within the population eg PEDs for sporting folk, antiaging for the oldies, boner juice for the softies, 'fat' burners for us robust types etc. When it was just vitamins and herbal stuff the risks were not great, now with these very potent peptides the risks of use is far, far greater.
AT, any hint of evidence that the peptides Dank was using are in any way helpful for insomnia? Surely if not the defence will tear him to shreds.
Why havent Mannah's family gone after Dank for potentially shortening his life?
Not Thymosin beta 4. And that is the ONLY thymosin he has used. It is the only one he sells at MRC as well under "thymosin". See for yourself.
I don't think so because players have stated that he gave them injections. Melatonin does not come in injectable form to my knowledge. It is available orally though. Melanotan II can be injected but it doesn't do anything for insomnia. It may even keep you "up" all night.
Not sure why Mannah's family haven't gone after him, although many people just want to put deaths behind them and don't want to relive the sadness of losing their loved ones.
The only thing I can think of is them not wanting to 'tarnish his memory' with the inference that he may have taken banned substances. That's on par with their comments in those 2013 articles but seem a bit naive in the light of Dank's statements in court.
what about CJC, TB4 etc? No off label uses for insomnia? If not he's going to look even more stupid than he does already
Definitely not known to be "off label" uses of those peptides. The problem is lawyers don't like civil proceedings against him because he has no assets and has protected himself somewhat by being a consultant of Applied Orthopaedic Science Pty Ltd which is now deregistered.
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Thank you, Proper Gander, for doing the correct thing and using the report button. That poster has now been dealt with- harshly.
Everyone, there is no use quoting someone posting crass rubbish and bemoaning lack of moderator action. The high likelihood is, if it's still there and that bad, it hasn't yet been seen.
Everyone, there is no use quoting someone posting crass rubbish and bemoaning lack of moderator action. The high likelihood is, if it's still there and that bad, it hasn't yet been seen.
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