Darren Jolly: 2 subs, 2 interchange is "bloody stupid"

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Aug 11, 2006
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No. Footballers are “bloody stupid”. (And, according to The Age poll results, so are around 90% of fans).

When the bench was 2, they said “oh there’s too much strain, increase it to 3”. So they did.

When the bench was 3, they said “oh there’s too much strain, increase it to 4”. So they did.

Now let’s peer into Darren Jolly’s crystal ball: Let’s increase the bench to 6. Then 8. Then 10. What will be the result? Instead of being asked to do 10 gut runs per quarter, they’ll be asked to do 20. Then 30. And do them faster. For longer. Why, with 10 on the bench, 10 players can do a gut run, come off for a breather, then go back on, in a non-stop rotation.

We’ll have a thousand interchanges a game.

At which point the AFL (and a few observers) will recognise, “hang on, that’s crazy, let’s cut the bench back to 8.” And, in the crystal ball, the players’ response to such a suggestion? “Oh you’re killing us. Cutting the bench from 10 to 8, that is bloody stupid...”

Don’t they get it??? The number on the bench is pretty much irrelevant. The physical demands placed on players is a never ending spiral. Do these idiots really think more players is going to ease their load?

A thousand rotations, players bursting on for 60 seconds then off again, running like mad all over the ground, with all 36 players within a 50 metre radius of the ball, will not make the game a better spectacle, whatever Mick Malthouse might say.

The sub rule is genius. It just doesn’t go far enough. There should 3 subs and 1 interchange. I wouldn’t object to all 4 being subs, but there are times when a player needs a brief spell to ascertain the seriousness of a potential injury before being subbed off.

Instead of being on the conveyor belt rotation, take more of a rest up deep forward, unclog the game, and bring about the return of the footballer (as opposed to the “athlete”).

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...stupid-two-and-two-system-20120223-1tqqd.html
 
This would be too hard for fantasy coaches.

Bring back the footballer? Coaches (Roos for one) are already saying that the change as it is is leading recruiters to go for more athletes over footballers.

2 and 2 would also probably end Jolly's career earlier as a young ruck takes his spot there is no room for him on the bench, that's probably why he is so upset
 

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I reckon it will be 2 int 2 subs next year, which will be a very good thing, and players and coaches can whinge and bitch all they like or they can simply get on with the job.

this is simply taking the game back to the way it used to be played.
 
2+2 would be great, and I think they will go this way in the next year or 2.

It would dramatically reduce rotations, as they become unfeasible at such rates, but there would be more tactical substitutions.
 
The sub rule was horrendous last year and it'll only be worse with 2. As much as I enjoy seeing a player come on for 10 minutes in the last quarter to get 3-4 touches when the game is well and truely iced.
 
A thousand rotations, players bursting on for 60 seconds then off again, running like mad all over the ground, with all 36 players within a 50 metre radius of the ball, will not make the game a better spectacle, whatever Mick Malthouse might say.


The bolded bit is the actual problem, and what cutting the bench is trying to fix.

The goal is to bring back positions to the game, rather than having a team of 22 onballers all running around like it's the under 12s.

Cutting the bench may or may not be the solution, but I agree with the goal and I'm glad they're trying to do something about it.
 

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The sub rule was horrendous last year and it'll only be worse with 2. As much as I enjoy seeing a player come on for 10 minutes in the last quarter to get 3-4 touches when the game is well and truely iced.

Following Collingwood you probably watched too many demolition jobs on opposition teams last year, and thus some pretty redundant uses of the sub rule, but during some close games for Sydney last year it was an interesting addition to the game.

It played a part in both a draw that should have been a win (Seaby was a terrible choice for Sub against Melbourne in Rd. 1, but to be fair everyone was still working out how to use it) and another game where we were lucky to nab a victory (Jetta coming on against North really gave us some pace and contributed to two goals in the last quarter).
 
How is increasing the bench a compromise?

The point of the sub is so a team with an injury doesnt get a disadvantage becaue the other team still has a bigger rotation.

You are likely to get 2 injuries - so to effectively implement the 'point' you need 2 subs

You cant keep adding subs though I note some sports have several subs - so keep it at 2.

Three interchange keeps the status quo in that area - which everyone is used to.

Each sub only adds one interchange to the total number of interchanges
 
How about 4 interchange and a sub
The sub is only available before the start of the third quarter..

If you get an injury in the first quarter your side is basically ****ed without a sub. which was why the rule was introduced. The sub not available after half time means clubs will have to watch the number of interchanges.

The 36 players in one forward 50 is being finished by longer kicking tactics.
 
Another compromise would be for all four players to totate freely until half time.

Then two players put the green tops on. If theres allready an injury or two, those players obviously get the green tops. from then on its straight substitution for those guys.

Some points.

Its still fairer on the team with injuries

It still allows the game to open up towards the end

Each player gets a decent run in the game - ie match fitness

The coach can tailor the subs to how the game is playing out

When a sub comes on, the coach has a fair idea what he is getting (tactical substitution)

Long term it allows all types of players to remain on a list - endurance and burst types

Whatever we do NO to 50m penalty for interchange infringements - hawks once got that whan Cyril was lining up for goal - and the game was a draw, and we ended up playing freo away in a final instead of at home because of it !!! :mad::mad:
 
Go back to just 2 on the bench with unlimited changes.

There was nothing wrong with that system at all.

If we went back to it we could cut the playing lists of the clubs and we wouldn't have players running around that aren't really up to standard.

It would also spread the current talent around more as well
 

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