Certified Legendary Thread David Mackay PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE

[Deaneus!]

this is the anti-chooklotto tribunal thread, designed to demonstrate how corrupt the tribunal is

the anti-David Mackay

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David Mackay

Age

36

Ht

181cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

315.4

4star

D

16.5

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.0

3star

MG

265.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

thread is here:

The David Mackay thread

https://www.afc.com.au/news/2019-09-27/new-deals-for-mackay-and-strachan “David had one of his best seasons and his attitude, preparation and training standards are always first class,” Reid said. “We see him making a valuable contribution both on and off the field next year.”

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[Ramify]

In the past it's always been if you 'choose to bump' or more recently 'brace for impact' and a head knock/injury occurs, you're in trouble.

This case will set a dangerous precedent going forward if MacKay is banned of if you merely 'contest the ball' fairly and a head injury occurs you could be gone. This could lead to players more and more pulling out of contests for fear of suspension which attacks the very essence of what AFL football is supposed to be.

And you know full well more injury will occur, as it does, due to players going in softly.

 

[Ramify]

How do you feel about the supporters that ignore the obvious health risks the players are being asked to take to maintain the "spectacle"?

Labelling all change under "bloody do-gooders" is lazy.

Serious?

They aren't being asked to do sweet F.A. They choose to do it because they love the sport, head knocks and all.

I've read your posts and I have two questions for you.
1)What do you believe the ideal version of the game, where noone ever suffers a head injury looks like?
2)What do you like about the game now?

 

[dogs105]

m8 where's the verdict

Even in the world of AFL, that comes after the trial

 

[John Who]

I posted this on the main board and thought this might be useful for all of us Crows fans:

The above is the critical evidence here. At the exact point of impact, you can see both shoulders were touching between Clark and Mackay. More surprisingly, Clark appears more compact with his arms better protecting his body. Whilst Mackay’s right arm is seen to be still left dangling out. He didn’t even have enough time to curl his arm in, to better protect himself, and this is also evidence no bump was intended (arms need to stiffen and elbow to fully flex in order to bump).

 

[mattymac]

David King will be the first to stick the knife into players for being soft when they don't go full tilt at the contest after he called for players to get weeks if they go full tilt at the contest.

 

[Moonwatcher]

I posted this on the main board and thought this might be useful for all of us Crows fans:
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The above is the critical evidence here. At the exact point of impact, you can see both shoulders were touching between Clark and Mackay. More surprisingly, Clark appears more compact with his arms better protecting his body. Whilst Mackay’s right arm is seen to be still left dangling out. He didn’t even have enough time to curl his arm in, to better protect himself, and this is also evidence no bump was intended (arms need to stiffen and elbow to fully flex in order to bump).

It shows that Mackay is taking no due care whatsoever, not even for himself. He just torpedoed into the contest at full sped knowing he isn't strong enough to win the ball any other way.

 

[LC40]

So do we ban the high mark if a players knee happens to come in contact with someone's head and does some damage while in the air?
They may have been going for the ball but could have avoided contact if they didn't attempt to mark.
How do you actually play a contact sport when contact is a requirement?

 

[FR0GGY]

I posted this on the main board and thought this might be useful for all of us Crows fans:
View attachment 1156652
The above is the critical evidence here. At the exact point of impact, you can see both shoulders were touching between Clark and Mackay. More surprisingly, Clark appears more compact with his arms better protecting his body. Whilst Mackay’s right arm is seen to be still left dangling out. He didn’t even have enough time to curl his arm in, to better protect himself, and this is also evidence no bump was intended (arms need to stiffen and elbow to fully flex in order to bump).

Why are people saying he jumped off the ground?

 

[Deaneus!]

Why are people saying he jumped off the ground?

He didn’t but he was flung in the air by the force of the collision like Hunter was

Speaking of which, Hunter’s a very provocative surname, how do we know he didn’t set this up?

 

[FR0GGY]

He didn’t but he was flung in the air by the force of the collision like Hunter was

Speaking of which, Hunter’s a very provocative surname, how do we know he didn’t set this up?

Dmack could claim this has caused him undue mental stress.

 

[John Who]

Why are people saying he jumped off the ground?

Initially I thought so too, thinking DMac had jumped up to brace for contact/bump. But from the pic above, at the point of contact Mackay was still grounded, and he probably didn't even realise Hunter was there until literally the shoulders had touched. The jump was definitely after the initial collision, and likely to do with the physics ie. angles, velocity, force equal and opposite (Hunter going down, DMac going up).

 

[John Who]

It shows that Mackay is taking no due care whatsoever, not even for himself. He just torpedoed into the contest at full sped knowing he isn't strong enough to win the ball any other way.

I think we need to remove the emotions out of it, and forget for a moment that it's not DMac but just some random player. Also let's focus on the contest and forget the injuries thereafter. If you boil it down to the basics - that was a good honest pure footy contest, that all of us AFL fans are craving for.

I also think that was a very fine example of leadership, where a senior member was willing himself to get to the footy first, despite being twice the distance away from the other 2 players (Berry and Hunter).

 

[FR0GGY]

Initially I thought so too, thinking DMac had jumped up to brace for contact/bump. But from the pic above, at the point of contact Mackay was still grounded, and he probably didn't even realise Hunter was there until literally the shoulders had touched. The jump was definitely after the initial collision, and likely to do with the physics ie. angles, velocity, force equal and opposite (Hunter going down, DMac going up).

If people stopped and thought.
It’s virtually impossible to run at full pace bend over to pick up the ball and jump of the ground.

 

[Miss Vanessa]

So according to the AFL administration, this:



Is way, way, waaaay worse than this:


And about on par with this:

 

[Apsaalooke]

And you know full well more injury will occur, as it does, due to players going in softly.

We hear that all the time, mainly from ex-footballers, but it sounds very counter intuitive and I doubt there's any evidence for going in harder causing less injury.
When 2 cars collide at high speed there's a lot more damage than a tap in a parking lot.

 

[pjcrows]

Dunstall absolutely nails it, with Whateley once again trotting out AFL scripted lines.

 

[Horace]

Thought I would pop over to offer some support for your boy. If he gets rubbed out tomorrow night, then the contested aspect of our game, that has made it great over the last 100 plus years, will be on its last legs. If blokes are supposed to conduct a risk analysis on every contest they approach, then we may as well wind the game up.

To my eyes, McKay did nothing different to what Clark did, being go hard at the ball. Isn't that what we expect all of our players to do all of the time?

And if McKay had pulled out, knowing he is a bit of a whipping boy with Crow supporters, I suspect he would have received an absolute avalanche of abuse from you good people.

Finally, what role did Clark play in this? Shocking that he has received such terrible injuries, but if McKay should have pulled out, isn't it reasonable to suggest that Clark should have done the same? What if McKay had sustained the injuries and Clark walked away, would Clark be in trouble now?

 

[Apsaalooke]

I also think that was a very fine example of leadership, where a senior member was willing himself to get to the footy first, despite being twice the distance away from the other 2 players (Berry and Hunter).

To be fair, it is a contract year

 

[FR0GGY]

Dunstall absolutely nails it, with Whateley once again trotting out AFL scripted lines.

Jordan Lewis also backed piggy up.

 

[1achie]

There has unsurprisingly been plenty of research into the wearing of helmets, a well they do ok at reducing impact injuries like skull fractures but they cannot do anything to protect the brain as the brain is free floating essentially in the skull. So the do not prevent concussions at all.

There's a school of thought that helmets might actually increase the rate and/or severity of concussions because the extra mass of the head would exaggerate whiplash injuries.

 

[1achie]

Interesting that there seems to be a narrative emerging that because the score at the time was 0-36, Mackay hit the contest harder and deliberately smashed in to Hunter. They are now trying to use the score as a motivation.

What annoys me though is that if this was a Geelong V GWS game, and Geelong were 0-36 down, the exact same incident occurred with Dangerfield crashing in at full speed and Geelong went on to steal the match at the last minute, the media would be replaying it constantly and describing it as a brilliant piece of play. They would be raving about Dangerfield's commitment, his leadership and how tough he is. It would be an unfortunate accidental collision that caused the injury, but this exact play would be held up as a great example for others to follow.

The double standards from the VFL are so blatant it isn't funny.

You couldn't have said this any better. It's exactly how I feel.

 

[Ozzie]

The AFL’s legal team will be heavily involved in the decision, you’d think. To say the AFL is shitting bricks over a potential class action is an understatement. Deep down, even Steve Hocking would be thinking that a suspension will severely damage the fabric of the game.

They don't give a flying F***. It's the Crows lets smash them.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Dmack could claim this has caused him undue mental stress.

Hunter by touching Dmac has clearly engaged in stalking and therefore should be arrested by the NSW Fixated Persons unit.

 

[rabidcrow]

Thought I would pop over to offer some support for your boy. If he gets rubbed out tomorrow night, then the contested aspect of our game, that has made it great over the last 100 plus years, will be on its last legs. If blokes are supposed to conduct a risk analysis on every contest they approach, then we may as well wind the game up.

To my eyes, McKay did nothing different to what Clark did, being go hard at the ball. Isn't that what we expect all of our players to do all of the time?

And if McKay had pulled out, knowing he is a bit of a whipping boy with Crow supporters, I suspect he would have received an absolute avalanche of abuse from you good people.

Finally, what role did Clark play in this? Shocking that he has received such terrible injuries, but if McKay should have pulled out, isn't it reasonable to suggest that Clark should have done the same? What if McKay had sustained the injuries and Clark walked away, would Clark be in trouble now?

All the attention on MacKay speed hitting the contest - why didn’t Clark run faster and show more desperation. He darted closer and should have got to the ball first.

Having said that I think Whateley summed it up well. Players will be taught to ease up and tackle in those high speed contests over time.



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[Cap]

I'm surprised at the number of media experts suggesting David ought be suspended because he attacked the contest too hard.

It just doesn't sound right at all.

I also didn't realise Christian didn't see anything in it,but Hocking did. Surely if this is thrown out, Hockings position is under review.