David Warner

[DaRick]

GS Chappell says “hello”

"I can recall"

 

[DaRick]

Long term I think he will be known for mostly the bad.

Still think Warner and Bancroft should have received a lifetime ban (or at least 5+ years). Unforgivable offense.

It pretty much never works like this unless you've been permanently fired out of the game for extracurricular activities (hello Cronje, Malik and Azharuddin).

In decades to come, people will look at Warner's record and see a very good Test player. Just as they do with Greg Chappell despite his dubious sportsmanship and prickly personality.

 

[DaRick]

It may have been only for one series beyond an earlier-in-his-career occasional capacity but there is one encouraging precedent for Smith going up the order in a temporary capacity.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you a man by the name of Rahul Dravid.

If you cast your minds back to 2011 when India went to England, Dravid was seemingly getting towards the end as a test batsman and the once indestructible lynchpin of their top order was mixing most decent series with a couple of bad ones.

They threw him in to open in England, and he repaid them with 500 runs and 3 centuries

If there’s one guy who has the temperament and the - odd admittedly - technique to replicate that sort of performance it is Steve Smith

Dravid's technique was always far more classical than Smith's.

His issue was with pace and bounce, not lateral movement.

 

[PhatBoy]

Dravid's technique was always far more classical than Smith's.

His issue was with pace and bounce, not lateral movement.

True, though oddly he still began his career with a century at The Wanderers

 

[apollo_creed]

It pretty much never works like this unless you've been permanently fired out of the game for extracurricular activities (hello Cronje, Malik and Azharuddin).

In decades to come, people will look at Warner's record and see a very good Test player. Just as they do with Greg Chappell despite his dubious sportsmanship and prickly personality.

Look at his record?

A bloke who was abysmal away from home.

I don't even dislike Warner but he's an excellent batsman at home and a very average one away from home. His record absolutely confirms this. About half of his away centuries came in one series.

I wouldn't even rate him above Mark Taylor who batted in an era with better competition and pitches (especially at home) that were nowhere near as flat.

 

[DaRick]

Look at his record?

A bloke who was abysmal away from home.

I don't even dislike Warner but he's an excellent batsman at home and a very average one away from home. His record absolutely confirms this. About half of his away centuries came in one series.

I wouldn't even rate him above Mark Taylor who batted in an era with better competition and pitches (especially at home) that were nowhere near as flat.

Hayden and Clarke have the same issues to a lesser degree, but your average fan doesn't really care.

Agree that the 90s were a tricky era for batting, but outside of his first year - most of which wasn't even in the 90s, and which partially involved him plundering weak ENG/SL attacks - Taylor averaged 40.

You can take Taylor if you want, but it's not clear cut at all.

 

[dogs105]

Hayden and Clarke have the same issues to a lesser degree, but your average fan doesn't really care.

Agree that the 90s were a tricky era for batting, but outside of his first year - most of which wasn't even in the 90s, and which partially involved him plundering weak ENG/SL attacks - Taylor averaged 40.

You can take Taylor if you want, but it's not clear cut at all.

Taylor's average was 64.16 at the end of the eighties. Dropped heaps at the end of his career.

 

[western royboy]

Hayden and Clarke have the same issues to a lesser degree, but your average fan doesn't really care.

Agree that the 90s were a tricky era for batting, but outside of his first year - most of which wasn't even in the 90s, and which partially involved him plundering weak ENG/SL attacks - Taylor averaged 40.

You can take Taylor if you want, but it's not clear cut at all.

If you are looking for someone to Captain a side - Taylor jumps well in front of other candidates

 

[DaRick]

If you are looking for someone to Captain a side - Taylor jumps well in front of other candidates

Oh yeah, I rank Taylor higher as an overall cricketer, if you check out my prior posts on this thread.

We were just discussing Taylor's batting.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

To paraphrase Damien Martyn, thank heavens this shyte show is over.

I am delighted I won't have to ever watch or listen to him again.

 

[ibd77]

Long term I think he will be known for mostly the bad.

Still think Warner and Bancroft should have received a lifetime ban (or at least 5+ years). Unforgivable offense.

I agree that Warner & Smith should have got life time bans in the test match format for disgracing the baggy green cap.

Bancroft I would have been a bit more lenient and given him him a second chance as he was following the leadership instructions.

 

[the_interloper]

If you are looking for someone to Captain a side - Taylor jumps well in front of other candidates

I think he's the best at the combination of off field and on field in my era (Border onwards) so I'd agree with you.

 

[Millky95]

To paraphrase Damien Martyn, thank heavens this shyte show is over.

I am delighted I won't have to ever watch or listen to him again.

Within 18 months he'll be commentating

 

[troybe]

Within 18 months he'll be commentating

He’s already on Fox Crickets payroll

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Within 18 months he'll be commentating

I already mute the commentary.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Yikes! Langer, Hayden and Warner in the same booth will be like a Festival of Idiocy.

 

[western royboy]

Yikes! Langer, Hayden and Warner in the same booth will be like a Festival of Idiocy.

I have an image in my head…it’s frightening

 

[Around the Wicket]

Steve Smith to open and Green at 4 likely first crack... WOW!

 

[Around the Wicket]

I agree that Warner & Smith should have got life time bans in the test match format for disgracing the baggy green cap.

Bancroft I would have been a bit more lenient and given him him a second chance as he was following the leadership instructions.

LMAO.. other players that got caught tampering over the years go 1 or 2 Tests.. and Smith and Warner didn't actually do anything.

 

[troybe]

In: Renshaw Out: Warner

 

[ibd77]

LMAO.. other players that got caught tampering over the years go 1 or 2 Tests.

Who?

 

[troybe]

By the way how good does Smithers look

 

[frankrizzo]

Who?

err all of them, be easier if you just name for us the other ball tamperers who received lifetime bans or even easier than that give us list of ones who received 1 year bans like our guys did.

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

Now that Warner's retired the best part is we don't have to hear from his entitled wife
Anymore.

 

[ibd77]

err all of them, be easier if you just name for us the other ball tamperers who received lifetime bans or even easier than that give us list of ones who received 1 year bans like our guys did.

How many Australian ball tampers have been caught prior to this incident in 2018?

Before this incident, we held our national team in the highest esteem that we didn't cheat but push the boundaries of what was already legal. We scoffed at other cheating nations whilst revering our cricket team and the sanctity of the baggy green cap.

It just shows how our standards as a nation has dropped since that incident. Now we are part of the rest of the cricketing nation that finds ways to cheat the system rather than playing the game on its merits.