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[edgie]

Power is cooler than pirates. We are just coming down from a pirate high in culture thanks to the Johnny Depp films, it's about to go back to obscurity like cowboy movies.

Power is like Emperor Palpatine shooting electricity out of his fingers. Unlimited power. That shit will never age.

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[El_Scorcho]

Power is cooler than pirates. We are just coming down from a pirate high in culture thanks to the Johnny Depp films, it's about to go back to obscurity like cowboy movies.

Power is like Emperor Palpatine shooting electricity out of his fingers. Unlimited power. That shit will never age.

Pirates have been a cultural mainstay since the 1800s, with countless books, films, games and other media having been made about them.

Nobody associates Power with Emperor Palpatine, a fascist dark space wizard who was killed by the power of love.

If the club started heavily leaning on Palpatine and the Sith for its branding it would probably be more interesting than anything else they've done with Power, but they're not going to and that's just because Power has been so ineffective and the bar is so low.

 

[edgie]

Pirates have been a cultural mainstay since the 1800s, with countless books, films, games and other media having been made about them.

Nobody associates Power with Emperor Palpatine, a fascist dark space wizard who was killed by the power of love.

If the club started heavily leaning on Palpatine and the Sith for its branding it would probably be more interesting than anything else they've done with Power, but they're not going to and that's just because Power has been so ineffective and the bar is so low.

So Emperor Palpatine was killed by Power? The power of love? There's another opportunity for rebrand, let's get Charlie Dixon in a Delorean smashing through the banner to Huey Lewis at 88mph.

Or maybe instead the song by ZZ Top from back to the future 3, yeah that would be better.

The possibilities are endless.

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[Contested Marx]

Or maybe instead the song by ZZ Top from back to the future 3, yeah that would be better.

nobody knows what this is as nobody ever watches the entire 3rd movie

 

[Mutha F]

nobody knows what this is as nobody ever watches the entire 3rd movie

That's a fair point. Marty is such an intolerable douche bag by then, its impossible to watch more than a couple of minutes. "don't call me chicken". Give me a ****ing break

 

[NoddyHolder]

Sounds cool as **** for kids. Jolly roger flags in the cheer squad, tricorn hats in the crowd, a proper sea shanty club song. It's just better than what we have now in every way.

The name Pirates naturally lends itself to cool imagery. It's effortless to brand around. Power has been a nightmare to brand around, we've really struggled to get traction with it.



The people in charge of executing a rebrand probably aren't going to be sourced from the footy dept.



According to the history page on their website they adopted the name "Pirates" in 2002.

And where do you think they got their colours from?

Even if they did get in first, we're a major professional Australian Rules club and they're a local amateur soccer club who had already encroached on the Port Adelaide FC brand.

'officially' adopted - they were using the nickname before we went into the AFL. There are about 1000 clubs, sporting and other, from the Port and le Fevre area using the 'Port Adelaide' brand - most have black and white as part of their colours - I don't think we should be bullying any of them either. The soccer club likely would have chosen pirates as a nickname to help separate themselves from 'our' brand.
The Port Adelaide Rugby Union club also use the Pirates nickname - don't know if this helps your argument or mine

 

[El Zorro]

Growing up in Argentina around (international) football, I always found the American-style team mascots/monikers over the top. In Argentina, like in, I think, most international football leagues, there are no official nicknames. Just the clubs' names. Every club has one or multiple nicknames that emerged organically over time and that can usually be traced back to one incident or an era in the past. Most clubs would have a "positive" nickname and a "negative" one. E.g:

River Plate can be the Millionaires (wealthy era in the 1930s) or the chickens (lost an international final in the 1960s 2-4 that were winning 2-0)
Boca Juniors can be the Genovese (Italian migrants) or the shitkickers (bad part of town, lower class supporters)

But in many cases a "negative" nickname sticks and is used in general. E.g: Rosario Central are the Scoundrels or the Rabble and Newell's Old Boys are the Lepers, both arising from a charity match for a leprosy clinic in the 1920s.

[all rough English translations, of course]

These nicknames are used regularly but they are not official club branding.

I kind of like that approach better, but I am most likely culturally conditioned to think that way.

GremioPower I assume it's the same in Brazil, right?

 

[El_Scorcho]

'officially' adopted - they were using the nickname before we went into the AFL. There are about 1000 clubs, sporting and other, from the Port and le Fevre area using the 'Port Adelaide' brand - most have black and white as part of their colours - I don't think we should be bullying any of them either. The soccer club likely would have chosen pirates as a nickname to help separate themselves from 'our' brand.
The Port Adelaide Rugby Union club also use the Pirates nickname - don't know if this helps your argument or mine

Oh I certainly don't want anyone to change their name or colours, I love that the entire Port Adelaide area has taken on our black and white, it makes us feel more rooted in where we come from. These aren't just club colours, they are the colours of Port Adelaide as a whole.

Wonder whether the Rugby or Soccer club started using Pirates first.

 

[El_Scorcho]

So Emperor Palpatine was killed by Power? The power of love? There's another opportunity for rebrand, let's get Charlie Dixon in a Delorean smashing through the banner to Huey Lewis at 88mph.

Or maybe instead the song by ZZ Top from back to the future 3, yeah that would be better.

The possibilities are endless.

All of this is legitimately better than the fist float, the funk squad and poor old Thunda Power.

All of it is worse than Pirates.

 

[Willsy10]

Except the money. This is the regime at any complaint, reflexively responds 'Remember 2012!'. The club and any success didn't exist prior to Ken, except for the occasional chance to milk merchandise revenue out of fans, according to them.

I doubt board members Warren Tredrea and soon to be George Fiacchi would agree that they hate everything about the PB's except the cash. It's just a ridiculously shit take.

 

[NoddyHolder]

Growing up in Argentina around (international) football, I always found the American-style team mascots/monikers over the top. In Argentina, like in, I think, most international football leagues, there are no official nicknames. Just the clubs' names. Every club has one or multiple nicknames that emerged organically over time and that can usually be traced back to one incident or an era in the past. Most clubs would have a "positive" nickname and a "negative" one. E.g:

River Plate can be the Millionaires (wealthy era in the 1930s) or the chickens (lost an international final in the 1960s 2-4 that were winning 2-0)
Boca Juniors can be the Genovese (Italian migrants) or the shitkickers (bad part of town, lower class supporters)

But in many cases a "negative" nickname sticks and is used in general. E.g: Rosario Central are the Scoundrels or the Rabble and Newell's Old Boys are the Lepers, both arising from a charity match for a leprosy clinic in the 1920s.

[all rough English translations, of course]

These nicknames are used regularly but they are not official club branding.

I kind of like that approach better, but I am most likely culturally conditioned to think that way.

GremioPower I assume it's the same in Brazil, right?

That's how it originally worked in footy as well. We were mudholians in the 19th century as the Port was seen as a putrid mud hole. We embraced it. I would be happy for an organic nickname to emerge as well, rather than the dated 90s usa style nickname we chose. We'd probably end up called the 119ers though

 

[TeeKray]

All of this is legitimately better than the fist float, the funk squad and poor old Thunda Power.

All of it is worse than Pirates.

I wonder what ThunderPower14 from TPFP makes of all of this

 

[El_Scorcho]

I wonder what ThunderPower14 from TPFP makes of all of this

He was just a child didn't know any better!

I bet I made some absolutely dogshit argument supporting our identity to the militant old Port types who hated it on that forum. They were right and I was wrong.

I still have the old version of Thunda Power as my profile picture for all my microsoft logins because I probably set it when I was 16, it's obviously stored against my email account so it's followed me through devices and PCs. Every time I login to my computer that's the image I see.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

You want to talk weird mascots, go to the NBA

Boston Celtics, Larry the leprechaun because yes they're all tiny white Irishmen
Cleveland Cavaliers, Moondog and Sir CC, well yeah ok it's y'know
Houston Rockets, Clutch the Bear because nothing screams space travel like a grizzly bear
Indiana Pacers, so named for horse and car racing have a mascot called Boomer who is not an old white redneck who likes those things, but a blue panther
LA Clippers, named after 19th century sailing ships, have Chuck the condor as their mascot, but he looks not unlike a giant chicken
Miami Heat, Burnie who is not taxonomically identifiable, just a giant orange muppet with half a basketball for a face...

And so it goes...

I think we've come out relatively unscathed.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

You want to talk weird mascots, go to the NBA

Boston Celtics, Larry the leprechaun because yes they're all tiny white Irishmen

The Irish are the Celts, hence they're Celtic.

Cleveland Cavaliers, Moondog and Sir CC, well yeah ok it's y'know

Sir CC is literally a Cavalier. Its like saying the Knights having a guy dressed in plate armour as a mascot is weird.

Mind you chosing to be a Cavalier is a bit weird, they were the dickheads who couldn't wait to go off and fight wars for Charles I. Maybe they'll make a comeback for the current King Chuck?

 

[El_Scorcho]

You want to talk weird mascots, go to the NBA

Boston Celtics, Larry the leprechaun because yes they're all tiny white Irishmen
Cleveland Cavaliers, Moondog and Sir CC, well yeah ok it's y'know
Houston Rockets, Clutch the Bear because nothing screams space travel like a grizzly bear
Indiana Pacers, so named for horse and car racing have a mascot called Boomer who is not an old white redneck who likes those things, but a blue panther
LA Clippers, named after 19th century sailing ships, have Chuck the condor as their mascot, but he looks not unlike a giant chicken
Miami Heat, Burnie who is not taxonomically identifiable, just a giant orange muppet with half a basketball for a face...

And so it goes...

I think we've come out relatively unscathed.

Gritty from the Philadelphia Flyers who has become an antifascist icon is also pretty great

 

[edgie]

He was just a child didn't know any better!

I bet I made some absolutely dogshit argument supporting our identity to the militant old Port types who hated it on that forum. They were right and I was wrong.

I still have the old version of Thunda Power as my profile picture for all my microsoft logins because I probably set it when I was 16, it's obviously stored against my email account so it's followed me through devices and PCs. Every time I login to my computer that's the image I see.

Mine is me in my Port boxes with a big bruise I got from a go kart crash that I thought was impressive, so thunda isn't that bad

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[Ford Fairlane]

The Irish are the Celts, hence they're Celtic.

Sir CC is literally a Cavalier. Its like saying the Knights having a guy dressed in plate armour as a mascot is weird.

Mind you chosing to be a Cavalier is a bit weird, they were the dickheads who couldn't wait to go off and fight wars for Charles I. Maybe they'll make a comeback for the current King Chuck?

I get the back story behind the nicknames but they are still weird choices of mascot. The Cavs were named in a competition, not for any connection to Cavaliers, I suspect it was just a nice bit of alliteration. Sir CC ok but Moondog ... (and I even looked that up, it's still bizarre).

But anyway, I don't think Port's mascot is all that strange considering what can be found it the wide world of sports. Also I have no issue with the Power nickname.

 

[Fizzler]

You want to talk weird mascots, go to the NBA

Boston Celtics, Larry the leprechaun because yes they're all tiny white Irishmen
Cleveland Cavaliers, Moondog and Sir CC, well yeah ok it's y'know
Houston Rockets, Clutch the Bear because nothing screams space travel like a grizzly bear
Indiana Pacers, so named for horse and car racing have a mascot called Boomer who is not an old white redneck who likes those things, but a blue panther
LA Clippers, named after 19th century sailing ships, have Chuck the condor as their mascot, but he looks not unlike a giant chicken
Miami Heat, Burnie who is not taxonomically identifiable, just a giant orange muppet with half a basketball for a face...

And so it goes...

I think we've come out relatively unscathed.

My beloved OKC Thunder have a similar situation with the mascot. The lightning element is hard to have a mascot based on, so we have Rumble the Bison. Must be more Oklahoma based than Thunder based, which is certainly possible for Port to do by embracing the maritime aspect of Port Adelaide with a pirate mascot rather than Thunda.

Hell, even now that I think about it, Essendon's mascot is a mosquito, and a bomber jet is far easier to tangibly have a mascot based on than "Power".

 

[Dylan8]

Ports Palpatines. The height of Ports branding discourse has been achieved. Everyone have a shot.

 

[Contested Marx]

We should merge with Glenelg and become the PG Penguins

 

[GremioPower]

@GremioPower I assume it's the same in Brazil, right?

Pretty much.

From the top of my head:

Fluminense: Tricolor / Rice-Powder / Flower
Flamengo: Red-Black / Vulture
Vasco: Hill Giant / Cod
Botafogo: Glorious / Sh*tfire
São Paulo: Tricolor / Bambi
Palmeiras: Big Green / Pig
Santos: Fish
Corinthians: Big Team (Helm) / Possum
Inter: Red
Grêmio: Immortal
Cruzeiro: Fox / Maries
Atlético: Rooster

 

[Lagooner]

Pretty much.

From the top of my head:

Fluminense: Tricolor / Rice-Powder / Flower
Flamengo: Red-Black / Vulture
Vasco: Hill Giant / Cod
Botafogo: Glorious / Sh*tfire
São Paulo: Tricolor / Bambi
Palmeiras: Big Green / Pig
Santos: Fish
Corinthians: Big Team (Helm) / Possum
Inter: Red
Grêmio: Immortal
Cruzeiro: Fox / Maries
Atlético: Rooster

The Glorious Sh1tfires now there’s a name you can hang your hat on.

 

[edgie]

Pirates have been a cultural mainstay since the 1800s, with countless books, films, games and other media having been made about them.

Nobody associates Power with Emperor Palpatine, a fascist dark space wizard who was killed by the power of love.

If the club started heavily leaning on Palpatine and the Sith for its branding it would probably be more interesting than anything else they've done with Power, but they're not going to and that's just because Power has been so ineffective and the bar is so low.

To verify this I was in the Lego aisle yesty and not a single pirate set

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[El_Scorcho]

To verify this I was in the Lego aisle yesty and not a single pirate set

That's because people bought them all.

They've had a pirate ship in the 3 in 1 Creator range for several years which has just been retired. They also had the Pirates of Barracuda Bay set 2 years ago which I have sitting (in ship format, not island hideout format) on the shelf above my computer, and they've had a bunch of Pirates of the Caribbean sets which the old Pirates theme basically made way for.

They also currently have a pirate boat in the minecraft section although that's a bit odd because you can't sail ships in minecraft.

Pirates are massive. It's not even a competition. Obviously there's the enormous cultural impact of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, but One Piece has been the biggest thing in anime for 20 years, and they're still releasing Monkey Island games.

We blew it. We blew it by choosing Power. Big Bash League ass name.