Dean Bailey - Officially the most clueless coach to be involved with the game

[banana_bus]

Ok so I was a bit surly when I made this thread, and may have gone a bit over the top.

But you have to admit, some of his (Bailey's) decisions this year have perplexing to say the very least.

 

[Karate Feel]

I have Valenti but have been wary of him being dropped as i remember Bailey saying something about he would try out listed players before he had to use the rookie listed players. From what i have seen Valenti has put in most of the games i have seen, he tackles, gets in and under, can kick a goal.Obviously these are traits Bailey doesn't have much regard for.

 

[Jan Juc]

He's a first year coach of an ordinary on-field team at a club struggling to find it's place in the big picture going forward, it's not as if he inherited a plum job Allan Joyce-style.

There is a bigger picture than DT.

 

[SkankDanker]

He's a first year coach of an ordinary on-field team at a club struggling to find it's place in the big picture going forward, it's not as if he inherited a plum job Allan Joyce-style.

There is a bigger picture than DT.

Allan Joyce at Hawthorn or the Bulldogs?

You have some pretty sensible things to say, signing off with mild put downs to people who post on this thread probably isn't necessary, but I guess with such an inflammatory thread title (BB!) it is understandable.

 

[Jan Juc]

Joyce at Hawthorn circa early-90's.

I'll admit I've contributed nothing positive to this thread (something I detest), could possibly be accused of (inadvertently) stirring the pot a little, but have grown a little frustrated like a couple of others it seems.

Just re-read my posts and apparent mild put-downs to BF regulars, but I'm sorry champ, I can't see any put-downs there - and I'm as big a (c.bomb) as anyone going round.....

Don't get me wrong, I'm a DT-nerd, I'm treading water in the top-500 and Valenti out hurts me as well, but FFS, there is a bigger picture than Dream Team.

No offence intended to those good enough and lucky enough to be vying for prizes. Perspective. Game.

There is a bigger picture than DT.

 

[Pumbi]

I think Jan Juc makes some good points. We're all gonna get frustrated by things that don't go our away, and naturally our views are somewhat tainted by own Dream Teams. Oh and Cruiser, dont get me wrong, i think you're a good poster, but the decision to tag Priddis is somewhat justified. Look who is around him, Braun, taggers Selwood and Stenglein, Chad Fletcher. Priddis is definitely the prime mover of those(isn't saying much), and thats the role of a tagger, to take the oppositions best midfielder. Seems an ok coaching move to me. I'm happy to be proven wrong though.

 

[SkankDanker]

I'm loving people's (somewhat deluded) reactions to decisions made at the selection table, like AFL DT is the be-all and end-all and more important than the game itself.

Get a grip, it's only a game. Bailey and co. coach multi-million $$ sporting organisations, accountable to boards, members, supporters, sponsors etc., the list goes on. You lot are carrying on as if a drunk Collingwood player attempted a drive-by shooting at your place on the way home from the Lower and killed your half-blind dog - purely because your DT / your opponents DT is affected by weekly changes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a DT-nerd, I'm treading water in the top-500 and Valenti out hurts me as well, but FFS, there is a bigger picture than Dream Team.

Hey, I said they were mild!

Joyce at Hawthorn circa early-90's.

I'll admit I've contributed nothing positive to this thread (something I detest), could possibly be accused of (inadvertently) stirring the pot a little, but have grown a little frustrated like a couple of others it seems.

Just re-read my posts and apparent mild put-downs to BF regulars, but I'm sorry champ, I can't see any put-downs there - and I'm as big a (c.bomb) as anyone going round.....

Loved his interview after the 91 GF. Very humble good man, and he did a great job for the Hawks, admittedly with some decent cattle on the park. And I agree different kettle of fish to Bailey.

Having no trades left, seeing your young-uns dropped, finals time...a recipe for frustration.

 

[Cruiser23]

I think Jan Juc makes some good points. We're all gonna get frustrated by things that don't go our away, and naturally our views are somewhat tainted by own Dream Teams. Oh and Cruiser, dont get me wrong, i think you're a good poster, but the decision to tag Priddis is somewhat justified. Look who is around him, Braun, taggers Selwood and Stenglein, Chad Fletcher. Priddis is definitely the prime mover of those(isn't saying much), and thats the role of a tagger, to take the oppositions best midfielder. Seems an ok coaching move to me. I'm happy to be proven wrong though.

I see where your coming from but just because he's the best midfielder doesn't mean he needs to be tagged heavily. Priddis around the ground is not a damaging footballer. He's not a great kick, isn't fast and the occasional handball puts his man under pressure. You don't have to tag one of the midfielders from the other team for the sake of it, just look at Hawthorn, they don't tag one bit and still win games. As i said in one of the threads during both games, Welsh would have been more damaging around the ground than Priddis, it was a negative move IMO.

 

[Daz]

I see where your coming from but just because he's the best midfielder doesn't mean he needs to be tagged heavily. Priddis around the ground is not a damaging footballer. He's not a great kick, isn't fast and the occasional handball puts his man under pressure. You don't have to tag one of the midfielder from the other team for the sake of it, just look at Hawthorn, they don't tag one bit and stil win games. As i said in one of the threads during both games, Welsh would have been more damaging around the ground than Priddis, it was a negative move IMO.

I'll bet you're looking forward to him playing the Hawks this week Hoping for another 45 possession game?

 

[Cruiser23]

I'll bet you're looking forward to him playing the Hawks this week Hoping for another 45 possession game?

Definitely, going to be my captain

 

[Pumbi]

Yeah all valid points. I think you have to watch Priddis' clearance work so he needs some attention in my opinion. I think the decision to tag him has some warrant. But i can also see the flipside.

 

[SkankDanker]

I see where your coming from but just because he's the best midfielder doesn't mean he needs to be tagged heavily. Priddis around the ground is not a damaging footballer. He's not a great kick, isn't fast and the occasional handball puts his man under pressure. You don't have to tag one of the midfielders from the other team for the sake of it, just look at Hawthorn, they don't tag one bit and still win games. As i said in one of the threads during both games, Welsh would have been more damaging around the ground than Priddis, it was a negative move IMO.

Hawks have one specialist tagger in Sewell who doesn't really appear to be playing that role this year (he has had injuris). I think when you've got Guerra and Hodge able to kick it long down to Roughead and Franklin there might be no need to tag. Even without Hodge they will not bother with Priddis, Embley is far more dangerous (could Embley be a back next year? Constantly sweeping acorss the backline).

 

[Cruiser23]

Yeah all valid points. I think you have to watch Priddis' clearance work so he needs some attention in my opinion. I think the decision to tag him has some warrant. But i can also see the flipside.

I agree, he's very good at stoppages and probably needs a little attention close in, it's the heavy tag that i was talking about, especially in the first game they played.

 

[54Dogs]

I'll bet you're looking forward to him playing the Hawks this week Hoping for another 45 possession game?

What's his kick-handball ratio. Must be getting near Jobe Watson.

Having said that he did that little damage against them last time he'll probably get the chance to rack em up again.

 

[FandangoDingo]

I was kind of referring his on field decisions i.e tagging Priddis twice, rather than his team selections.

Given that the first Priddis tag was probably THE game that reinvented Andrew Welsh as a tagger/footballer, I'll give Knights a big tick for that one!

 

[lmaohelp]

There has been a few coaches making very weird decision lately both in selection and on the field. Bailey is definitely one of them, others include Ross Lyon, Mark Williams, Matthew Knights and probably a few others to a lesser extent. This year really has been a challenge, definition of "survival of the fittest".

what decisions has knights made that were wierd?

 

[ojeriojo]

Even putting DT aside for Jan Juc’s benefit, I don’t see any reason for Valenti’s omission – unless it is just to put him on as an emergency to be a late-inclusion, which might make sense to Bailey. I remember being impressed with the way Valenti played in his second game, against the Hawks in round 9 (even if he didn’t rack up the possessions), only to be surprised when he was omitted for the following four games.

FanFooty identified Valenti as being tagged by Stenglein last week and by Rawlings against the Kangaroos a few weeks back, while he had Mackie to contend with against Geelong (though I’m not sure who was on who). So opposition coaches appear to rate Valenti as a more influential player than Bailey does - unless Bailey thinks that he is too influential at this stage in Melbourne’s season.

… Bailey stating … he wants to win every match they play (made it very clear he isn't in the business of tanking) …

Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he? So would Worsfold

 

[Cruiser23]

Given that the first Priddis tag was probably THE game that reinvented Andrew Welsh as a tagger/footballer, I'll give Knights a big tick for that one!

Not really, he had great game the week before tagging Mitchell keeping him to 13 touches and 38 DT points, it would be fair to say that that was the game he regained his confidence.

 

[FandangoDingo]

Not really, he had great game the week before tagging Mitchell keeping him to 13 touches and 38 DT points, it would be fair to say that that was the game he regained his confidence.

OK. I think we're agreed it's been pretty good coaching by Knights... Giving Welsh jobs on the opposition's most prolific ball-winner has certainly helped Welsh's game and the Bombers! Nothing weird about that!